Paul was a Pharisee, and was confronted on the road to Damascus by Jesus from heaven. He became the most prolific writer of the books of the New Testament! He suffered for the cause of Christ more than any other. I have no idea why anyone would proclaim him a false teacher.
Tricky point. The real crux of the matter, Paul makes abundantly clear himself:
Now we see but a dim reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
Paul openly and unabashedly admitted that he doesn't see the whole picture. Accordingly, his perspective, while powerfully instructive, cannot be taken as perfect truth.
Despite this, Paul foresaw a future point where he, and we, would be 'upgraded' in our understanding to the point that 'I shall know fully, even as I am fully known'.
I ask myself, who is the one who 'knows' Paul, fully? That is the Father and Jesus.
To me, what Paul is foreshadowing is that as part of God's divine plan, there will be a stage and a point in its unfolding when we will come to know and understand ourselves (and the rest of the providence) as God does.
I believe that when Christ returns, this is the upgrade he will bring. The third and final installment. The entire purpose of the Gospel is to help humanity to prepare and be ready for when Christ returns. Not being ready will have difficult consequences.
In any case, to call Paul a false teacher misses the point. God an Christ used Paul to lay down many key, important aspects of the New Word, the Gospel (aka the New Testament) as guidance for Christians during the long period (as it turns out) of waiting and preparing for Christ's return.
In any case, to call Paul a false teacher misses the point.
To be clear, agreed. I amended my comment as well because I also don’t think everything Paul wrote is taught falsely, just parts, and some of that varies by teacher. Snip snip, tweak tweak. Those little pieces have a huge impact, however.
It’s kinda done the same way [they] taught us the constitution. “Oh here’s a phrase for you to misconstrue that isn’t there”, “allow me to change the common understanding of this word’s meaning”, “let’s ignore this bit over here”, “here’s an unclear translation for you”, etc.
No disagreement with anything I know that Paul wrote, though. This is still why I wrote that nobody should take either my word, nor their church’s on these matters, but test things for themself. For some things, having a good Strong’s concordance is necessary, and discernment always.
Paul isn’t a false teacher, he’s just very difficult (remember, he was converting Pharisees, who were a bit like Lawyers), and easy to misconstrue from our lacking modern contexts and translations.
Paul, as taught, is false (edit: in parts). Jesus, as recorded, is very straightforward, but ignored in favor of misunderstanding Paul. I don’t claim to understand why.
2 Peter 3:15-16 - 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest (as they do also the other scriptures) unto their own destruction.
I.e. People take Paul out of context, leading to their own destruction, but this is also not unique to Paul. I may have taken another verse out of Biblical context, via poor translation, earlier today even myself - it is important to always test things.
Love this!!! Thank you! Paul is a false teacher. Focus only on Jesus!
Paul was a Pharisee, and was confronted on the road to Damascus by Jesus from heaven. He became the most prolific writer of the books of the New Testament! He suffered for the cause of Christ more than any other. I have no idea why anyone would proclaim him a false teacher.
Per my note below, because he’s taught falsely. His writings are not false, though.
Edit: More detail for the downdooters: https://greatawakening.win/p/1AR0Q64lCG/x/c/4eWbmtZAJ1f
Tricky point. The real crux of the matter, Paul makes abundantly clear himself:
Paul openly and unabashedly admitted that he doesn't see the whole picture. Accordingly, his perspective, while powerfully instructive, cannot be taken as perfect truth.
Despite this, Paul foresaw a future point where he, and we, would be 'upgraded' in our understanding to the point that 'I shall know fully, even as I am fully known'.
I ask myself, who is the one who 'knows' Paul, fully? That is the Father and Jesus.
To me, what Paul is foreshadowing is that as part of God's divine plan, there will be a stage and a point in its unfolding when we will come to know and understand ourselves (and the rest of the providence) as God does.
I believe that when Christ returns, this is the upgrade he will bring. The third and final installment. The entire purpose of the Gospel is to help humanity to prepare and be ready for when Christ returns. Not being ready will have difficult consequences.
In any case, to call Paul a false teacher misses the point. God an Christ used Paul to lay down many key, important aspects of the New Word, the Gospel (aka the New Testament) as guidance for Christians during the long period (as it turns out) of waiting and preparing for Christ's return.
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To be clear, agreed. I amended my comment as well because I also don’t think everything Paul wrote is taught falsely, just parts, and some of that varies by teacher. Snip snip, tweak tweak. Those little pieces have a huge impact, however.
It’s kinda done the same way [they] taught us the constitution. “Oh here’s a phrase for you to misconstrue that isn’t there”, “allow me to change the common understanding of this word’s meaning”, “let’s ignore this bit over here”, “here’s an unclear translation for you”, etc.
No disagreement with anything I know that Paul wrote, though. This is still why I wrote that nobody should take either my word, nor their church’s on these matters, but test things for themself. For some things, having a good Strong’s concordance is necessary, and discernment always.
Paul isn’t a false teacher, he’s just very difficult (remember, he was converting Pharisees, who were a bit like Lawyers), and easy to misconstrue from our lacking modern contexts and translations.
Paul, as taught, is false (edit: in parts). Jesus, as recorded, is very straightforward, but ignored in favor of misunderstanding Paul. I don’t claim to understand why.
2 Peter 3:15-16 - 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest (as they do also the other scriptures) unto their own destruction.
I.e. People take Paul out of context, leading to their own destruction, but this is also not unique to Paul. I may have taken another verse out of Biblical context, via poor translation, earlier today even myself - it is important to always test things.