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"A boat in international waters that is not running a national flag is categorized in international law the same way a pirate is. Such boats have absolutely no national or international protections, and you cannot commit a war crime against them." ("Fishermen") (twitter.com)
posted 197 days ago by purkiss80 197 days ago by purkiss80 +141 / -0
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– purkiss80 [S] 10 points 197 days ago +10 / -0

"A vessel in international waters is required under UNCLOS to sail under the flag of a specific nation. If it does not, it is legally considered a stateless vessel. A stateless vessel has no right to the protections normally afforded to ships under a national flag, including immunity from interference by other states. UNCLOS Articles 92, 94, 110, and customary maritime law spell out the consequences clearly:

  1. Stateless vessels have no sovereign protection. A flagged ship is an extension of its flag-state’s sovereignty. A stateless vessel is not. This matters because “war crimes” presuppose protected persons or protected property. A stateless vessel is legally unprotected.
  2. Any state may stop, board, search, seize, or disable, a stateless vessel. UNCLOS Article 110 explicitly authorizes boarding and seizure. The law does not require states to risk their own personnel or assets while doing so. Disabling a vessel that refuses inspection, including firing on it, is legally permitted under both UNCLOS and long-established state practice.
  3. War crimes require an armed conflict. You cannot commit a “war crime” outside an armed conflict. War crimes occur only within the context of international humanitarian law (IHL). Enforcing maritime law against a stateless vessel is a law enforcement action, not an IHL situation. No armed conflict = no war crime possible.
  4. Lethal force may be used when a vessel refuses lawful orders. The International Maritime Organization’s “Use of Force” guidance for maritime interdiction recognizes that disabling fire, even lethal force, is lawful when a vessel refuses lawful boarding, attempts to flee, poses a threat, or engages in illicit activities such as piracy or narcotics trafficking. Once again: law enforcement rules apply, not IHL.
  5. Sinking a stateless vessel is not prohibited by UNCLOS. UNCLOS permits seizure of a stateless vessel and leaves the means entirely to the enforcing state so long as necessity and proportionality are respected. If the vessel flees, attacks, or refuses lawful commands, sinking it is legally permissible. Many states routinely do this to drug-smuggling vessels (e.g., semi-submersibles) without it ever being treated as a war crime.
  6. No flag = no jurisdictional shield. The entire reason international law requires ships to fly a flag is to prevent this exact situation. Flagless vessels are legally vulnerable by design. Because a stateless vessel has no protected status, because UNCLOS authorizes interdiction of such vessels, because lethal force may be used in maritime law enforcement when necessary, and because war crimes require an armed conflict that is not present here, sinking an unflagged ship in international waters is not a war crime."
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– MuckeyDuck 9 points 197 days ago +9 / -0

I'm not holding my breath that zombie brained democrats will understand this distinction.

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– ovitz 5 points 197 days ago +5 / -0

Well they think aliens have rights, so your probably spot on.

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– VaccinesCauseSIDS 1 point 197 days ago +1 / -0

well hold on a minute…

citizen and person/people are distinct things

“We The People”

isn’t the same as

“We The Citizens”

Some argue that criminals have no rights, the Bill of Rights says otherwise

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– SOGWAP 2 points 197 days ago +2 / -0

Somewhere i saw the word citizen has an ownership of the person implies. Not the same as a person or people.

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– purkiss80 [S] 4 points 197 days ago +4 / -0

The best part is they dont have to 'understand' it, if what Hegseth has been doing is legal and within the laws.....

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– SOGWAP 2 points 197 days ago +2 / -0

As long as tje supreme.court recognizes it. Funny noninternational law junkies from the hague are complaining

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– MuckeyDuck 1 point 196 days ago +1 / -0

Hague? Wasn't that a character from The Ghost and Mr. Chicken movie?

Atta boy Luther!

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– Dumbass101 7 points 197 days ago +7 / -0

Great info, thanks for posting. 🤓

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– Dvan515 3 points 197 days ago +3 / -0

This is pretty str8 forward to me. Boggles my mind how libtards spout off about stuff that they cannot back up

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– pente1776 1 point 196 days ago +1 / -0

I challenge you to find a time when liberals could back up their positions with logic and not emotional name calling.

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– Mountaingale 2 points 197 days ago +2 / -0

Well, that's interesting.

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– Elzimbabwe 2 points 197 days ago +2 / -0

Can someone help me, I'm trying to post something, and it doesn't show up. I'm new, so is that why I'm not able to?

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– Pbman2 3 points 197 days ago +3 / -0

You have to comment enough to lose the handshake next to your name first.

Handshakes are not allowed to post.

You can also contact a mod,and they can approved it for you.

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– Elzimbabwe 2 points 197 days ago +2 / -0

Thanks man. I didn’t know all of that. I’ve been on GAW since 2020. I just never made an account till now.

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– Pbman2 3 points 197 days ago +3 / -0

Its gone now you can post.

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– Elzimbabwe 3 points 197 days ago +3 / -0

Actually, sorry to bother you again, but I still can't post. It's not showing up in New. I can see my post in my personal feed though. I'm probably still too new. I can post fine on patriots.win for some reason.

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– Pbman2 2 points 197 days ago +2 / -0

Patriot win is different.

Give it a day or two,and then check with the mod's.

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– Elzimbabwe 3 points 197 days ago +3 / -0

ok thank you

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– Elzimbabwe 1 point 197 days ago +1 / -0

Thank you so much!

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– SOGWAP 1 point 197 days ago +1 / -0

I can see your post?

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– purkiss80 [S] 1 point 197 days ago +1 / -0

What are you trying to post?

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– Elzimbabwe 2 points 197 days ago +2 / -0

A linked youtube video of Brass Facts about a potential civil war in the US that is being brigaded by Reddit heavily making it look like they are the majority against the conservatives!. Someone said to me I need more score to lose my handshake account and then I will be able to post.

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– Tynyyn 2 points 197 days ago +2 / -0

https://youtu.be/uT7XPXh6ras?si=cJ9W71ewgxHVFpRW.

Judge Napolitano will disagree. He is very adamant that what President Trump is doing is illegal and is murder.

How many people died because Barry droned them over in Africa?

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– Wellifthisaintdandy 3 points 197 days ago +3 / -0

Maybe the idea is to introduce the piracy laws up-front: These are pirates in international waters. It is obvious from the picture that they have stored enough fuel to 'get' to US coast. And there are some curious packages in waterproof containers at the front. Gee I wonder what that is? No fishing nets, or bait. Just one purpose, really. OK, so the casualties are just mules. sure.

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– SOGWAP 2 points 197 days ago +2 / -0

Nobody complained when we blew up somali pirates who were flagless.

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– purkiss80 [S] 1 point 197 days ago +1 / -0

Exactly....

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– VaccinesCauseSIDS 1 point 197 days ago +1 / -0

hold up. just because someone chooses not to fly your flag doesnt make them a pirate. what if i live on a boat out in international waters, but im not really into flying a flag. not really buying the logic that its permissable to attack me for that

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– Wishbonenova 3 points 197 days ago +3 / -0

Do so at your own choosing. Just bear in mind you do not have any sovereign protection by refusing to fly a nation flag. You are identifying your vessel as a 'stateless' vessel, and foregoing your protection against being stopped, boarded, searched, SEIZED, and/or disabled to the point of sinking it. Your call.

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– VaccinesCauseSIDS 1 point 196 days ago +1 / -0

Well that sounds

like piracy to me!

lol omg wtf

a robbery!

on the high seas ?

so if i’m out

floatin’ me boat

out on the high seas,

then nobody has

any inherent right

to be bothering me

Just like i

don’t have

any inherent right

to be

bothering

anybody else

out on the high seas

So How about this?

The Golden Rule

i don’t bother you,

And you

don’t bother me?

Hmm? Ok?

I can’t hear too well,

Can you speak a little louder,

So the AI surveillance cameras

can catch every last detail?

Or is it gonna be,

More Like Ron Paul

getting boo’ed

By the GOP RNC

Just For invoking

the golden rule

Yeah we heard that too

So excuse me please

If i don’t carry on me,

your loysense to sail,

out on the high seas,

that i gotta pay,

or i go to jail,

or brig,

or even worse?

Ya gonna make me

walk the plank,

In shark

infested waters

out on the high seas?

You got some nerve,

You pirate wannabes

you think a big fancy boat

with a fancy little flag

gives your piracy

a facade

of legimacy?

HA HA

Surely you Jest!

Clowns

you are,

Court Jesters

at best

You would even plant a flag

on the moon,

and claim it for the USA

If only you could

without Russia

calling bull shit

without the help

of Stanley Kubrick

And all of Hollywood

Close cousins

You are,

to the Somalia Pirates

Claiming the high seas,

But somehow living

In me minnesota

And Voting for Democrats?

And Collecting a government check

For autism and such

And sending remittances to Somalia

To fund another Mossad proxy terror group

But you can’t even get

A little relief

Some space

to breathe

Claiming all of the high seas?!

HA HA

Nobody voted for you,

I don’t pay your taxes,

and you don’t represent me

nor do i represent you,

So I don’t recognize

your supposed authority

beyond

what you could command

at the barrel of a gun

and if you please

take a moment,

to closely assess

the situation,

you will quickly ascertain

that my love gun

is much bigger than yours

so kindly fuck off

in every possible way

that is

after we part ways

so please and thank you

and have a nice day then

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