Reference Point:
Promethean Update - They Lied About Turning Point: Vance Exposes the REAL Operation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7Qdppy5xNQ
Highly recommended.
A lot of what the Promethean ladies say makes a lot of sense to me.
So, I decided to ask Grok what it thought about the significance of TPUSA in the re-election of Donald Trump in 2024.
https://x.com/i/grok?conversation=2003333876006203420
"How significant do you think the work or action of TPUSA was in the election of Donald Trump in 2024?"
"Turning Point USA (TPUSA), founded by Charlie Kirk, played a notable role in Donald Trump's 2024 presidential victory, particularly through its focus on youth mobilization, voter turnout efforts, and grassroots organizing in key swing states."
Key Contributions:
Youth Voter Engagement and Turnout
Ground Game and Voter Mobilization
Alliance with Trump and MAGA Ecosystem
ON that last point:
TPUSA evolved from a campus group into a major Trump ally, providing infrastructure for rallies, endorsements, and post-election lobbying (e.g., pushing for Trump's cabinet picks). Their efforts built on work since 2016, though 2020 was a setback; by 2024, they were seen as a "powerful grassroots machine."
I tend to focus more on the psyop/anon-level of information, so I never paid much attention to TPUSA or Charlie Kirk, as they were/are decidedly more mainstream. But, they have been thrust directly into the 'truther' space, overlapping anon space, but the recent developments, including the rise of 'controversy' in the aftermath of the Kirk murder.
However, if you step back and look at the bigger picture, a lot of things make sense. I.e. the intense attack on TPUSA, starting with the murder of Charlie Kirk. The targeting of the youth sector, particularly the young men.
While certain inflooencers proclaim they are "America First" and "Conservative", even well, 'Trump Supporters', their underlying messages are consistently 'do not trust Trump', 'the Administration has gone wrong/cannot be trusted', etc.
In my opinion, it's exceedingly important to be able to step back from the chaotic fighting and criticizing and attacking, and consider other potential explanations for how certain actors are behaving.
Trump needs the People on his side but also the Congress on his side going forward. The mid-terms are going to be a critical battle.
How would the opponents of Trump see TPUSA and Charlie Kirk? As an organization that MUST be stopped? At all costs?
Easy to imagine.
This Promethean Update goes into a lot of this, but for me the key and salient point she emphasizes is one I would like to continually impress upon all the frogs gathering at the GAW waterhole (quoting William Sargent's 1957 book "Battle for the mind":
Various types of belief can be implanted in many people, after brain function has been sufficiently disturbed by accidentally or deliberately induced fear, anger or excitement. Of the results caused by such disturbances, the most common one is temporarily impaired judgement and heightened suggestibility.
Its various group manifestations are sometimes classed under the heading of “herd instinct,” and appear most spectacularly in wartime, during severe epidemics, and in all similar periods of common danger, which increase anxiety and so individual and mass suggestibility.”
heightened suggestibility
wartime, epidemics (boy, did he call that one)
fear, anger or excitement
For anons, the last one is really important. Because most of us have broken free of the mainstream matrix, but we are very much being targeted and are also 'susceptible' to all sort of psyops because of that.
One you step outside the matrix, then it really IS 'down the rabbit hole'. You enter the middle of the battle ground of psychological operations, operations being conducted by opposing forces who have had decades and decades of practice at refining their techniques, skills, not to mention having access to huge resources that we cannot compete with.
All we have is our collective hive mind, a powerful spiritual underpinning in that God wants truth to reign in the world, and whatever levels of discernment we can muster.
Think about what Donald Trump is up against. Then think about what forces WE are up against, what intel and psychological warfare forces we have put ourselves in the line of.
How to deal with a barrage of psychological battles?
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Step back, look at the bigger picture.
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Don't just take people (aka 'actors' - inflooencers, pundits, people we think are allies, etc) at face value but also do not dismiss your own prejudices and do not downplay your own susceptibility to manipulation.
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Look for tell tale signs of psychological manipulation: sensationalism, highly emotive arguments, painted 'heroes' and 'evil enemies', polarization and the injection of divisive narratives, negative messages embedded in what looks like 80% 'friendly' narratives, etc.
If you measure what people are doing and what impact they are having by: does this ADVANCE the Donald Trump agenda, or does this negatively impact on it? you might get a clearer picture of what people's real objectives are, regardless of what they say to your face.
Because the FIRST thing the psychological manipulation does is to try to get you buried in tunnel vision. Get you buried in your own opinion, focused on one particular area to distract you from that larger picture, because the larger picture provides perspective and context that helps you to sift the signal from the noise.
End thought: I haven't looked closely at the TPUSA Amfest thing, but even a superficial view inspires me with hope. What exactly?
Conflicting views being expressed from the stage: eg. Ben Shapiro vs Tucker Carlson, vs Steve Bannon, vs Megyn Kelly, etc
That's healthy, and good. And apparently 'TPUSA defended allowing unscripted speeches to promote open debate'. I think that's actually a positive sign, although those that hate Trump and the MAGA movement will do their best to paint that as 'conflict, fracturing, downfall' (aka doomerism).
Regardless of what you think of all or any of the actors involved, I recommend putting all those opinions aside and asking the simple, basic question: Do you trust Donald Trump, and if so, what advances the mission of Donald Trump?
It's not about not having disagreements. It's about the common goals that we are actually fighting for. Unity does not come from an absence of disagreement. It comes from a willing engagement to work on and achieve common goals and shared objectives, goals that are based on first-principle priorities that truly serve a higher priority than just 'me'.
Ah, the age old (in Great Awakening years) question of 'trust'. What is trust? How does it work? What are it's impacts? What is the relationship between faith and trust? What does it mean to 'trust' someone?
Well, given the outrageously elevated view I have of my own opinion, I'm going to assert that I am ALWAYS careful about that question. So, perhaps we are in agreement?
People define 'trust' in thousands of different ways. It means different things to different people.
Side note: do you ever think about whether God trusts you? Does your spouse trust you? Your children? Your little Children? Your colleagues? Your friend or friends?
How do you feel when people do not trust, or rather, distrust you? Does it impact your relationship with them? If so, how?
Do you trust yourself? in everything? In somethings? Do you trust your spouse? If so, does this mean you have blind faith in your spouse? Blind faith that ignores everything you know about them as a person, their limitations as well as their potential for growth?
I swear, I think the most frequently used phrase on GAW over the past 5 years has been either "I do not trust <this person>" and "I trust <this person>".
Goodness, I swear, it triggers the facepalm in me. Seriously. (per peeve)
So, more on the previous question, in light of "love one another as I have loved you" - "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us"
So, think about it. God trusted you with: a body, his whole creation, your family, your spouse, your life, your conscience. Are you worthy of that trust? Unworthy? And, if God has trust and continues to trust you with these things, which I assert very clearly he has, does this mean that he ignores everything you do that contradicts that trust? Or does it mean he sees you both in terms of your limitations but also your potential?
So, should we strive to be towards others like God in how he trusts me?
Eloquently said, and I think that the majority of clear thinking folks on this board would strongly agree with this sentiment.
Let me flip this on its head: Never don't question what Trump says or does.
We should, imo, always be questioning what Trump does and what he says. Always. That is, if you want to support him.
Because questioning is not equal to not trusting. Questioning is a precursor to understanding. Unless you question about what Trump does and says, and why he says and does those things, you'll be stuck in the realm of a normie believer in some fake idea of who the actual man Donald Trump is.
We might even say that a lot of TDS starts not because people question what Trump is doing, but because they do NOT question what he is doing, or why. They latch onto an irrational, un-objective belief, much of it programming by this or that other programming force, and hold on to it for dear life because of the 'rewards' they consciously or unconsciously think it delivers to them: acceptance, virtue, self-validation, etc.
Perahps unlike our fren u/winn, I think it is critical and key to learn how to trust others. It is extremely difficult to truly give unconditional love unless you trust or believe in the other person in some way. That doesn't mean giving pearls to swine, and it doesn't mean blindly believing that the thief on the street isn't going to rob the next store he gets to. But it does mean believing in a person's potential to respond to God and God's love, even if that potential is buried under a ton of sin and/or pain.
OK, enough of the epistemological and ethical discussion.
What I mean is, if you believe in and support Trump as President of the US, or as you put it, his "why", then apply the question: does <this action>, <that behavior>, <this thinking>, <that narrative>, etc, advance the work that he is doing, aka his mission.
Example: Would it have advanced Trump's agenda or mission if every human being in America went out and got a Covid vax because Trump said what he said about it? I don't think so.
So we each should really be thinking, and making our own judgments about, does this advance the cause?
The conundrum here is, how well do you or I really understand 'the cause'? Right? If we do not understand what Trump is doing, how can we judge or access whether X or Y or Z is helping him, or not?
In any case, with regards to Trump, I am by and large of a similar (although perhaps not identical) sentiment to u/winn:
I hold a very powerful belief, for many, many reasons and a life time of my relationship with God, that God has chosen the man Donald Trump to accomplish a very large, critical and historical mission. So, because of my faith in God, I extend that faith to Trump, and I support him.
That certainly doesn't mean that I think Trump is perfect, cannot make mistakes, BUT I am also of the conviction that I could not stand up for 3 days under the weight and pressure of the mission that God has put in Trump's hands. Moreover, am I in a position to correctly evaluate whether anything Trump says or does is a 'mistake' or not? I can disagree, no problem, but it would be utter hubris to believe that I know better than Donald Trump what Donald Trump should do. I might think I know, OK, but humility requires that I accept that in fact I do not, or cannot.
In short, he has his responsibility, and I have mine. As long as I can execute my responsibility faithfully, then good luck to him. It's OK for me to believe in him or trust that he will do the best he can, to the limit of his ability.
I guess for me, the real, critical question is this: With what sort of heart should I approach the man who has been given, and is carrying, the sort of weight that I believe Trump has been given?
Humility is an important start. And, I should try to see him as God sees him, faults and all, limitations and all, and greatness and all. If I can align my view of Trump, or anyone, with God's view, then I'm in good company. While admitting the limitations I am faced with, its nonetheless something I believe is worth striving for.
Maybe a better question would have been, "are you willing to entrust Trump with the role and responsibilities of POTUS? If so, then you'd better darn support him, and then perhaps consider and evaluate things, people, behaviors, narratives and rhetoric on the basis of whether they are actually helping him, or hurting him, in that responsibility."
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I'll keep this short my fren. I trust Trump so far as he advances the mission he claimed to advance. I am not ignorant of King Sauls or Solomons.
If the Great Awakening misfires into the Great One World Digital Prison, I can firmly say that either:
something went wrong, or:
it was a Great Deception all along.
Next point:
questioning Trump and/or his admin should be the equivalent of supporting him (barring obviously stupid questions such as the MSM likes to throw). If the Plan to save the world encourages critical thinking, then my stance should be the default, and Trump, in his 5d chess, would be making moves with that in mind.
Even Jesus said if you don't believe Him, believe His works.
So anyways in a 5gw psyop war you can pretty much toss the "believe me" out the window and all we really have are the works, or actions, the direction of things.
If the direction of things looks to be going into a totally different direction than what we were told at the start of the journey, it's our job to sound the alarm. And that alarm is not a threat to good-faith Trump admin—only to bad. It would be welcomed by good-faith. "Hey, course-correct now! Traps ahead."
The obvious question here is whether your original perception of 'the mission he claimed to advance' is the same as his perception of the same (aka his definition), and if that is indeed accurate.
If you misunderstood his purpose and mission, and supported him based on that misinterpretation, then you might choose to:
revise your view of what mission he has claimed to advance
revise your support for his work
Consider whether its not DJT or his admin that requires course correction, but yourself
In a general way, I agree with that. Blind belief or blind obedience are only helpful when someone or something is in a stage of infancy.
Well, I think more accurately, all we really have is [our perception] of the works, or actions, aka the direction of things
From a moral standpoint, we are responsible to make our decisions based on what we perceive, but we can never really discount the unalterable fact that ultimately, my perception might be flawed, and either way, I'm responsible for my decision and choices.
If you are critical of DJT, for example, because your perception is that he is going in a different direction to what (you thought) you were promised, then that's a moral choice, and one a moral stance requires being self-responsible for.
Although its not particularly articulated, I think I probably have a less rigid view of what I thought or think DJT should be doing. But this is also (I think) because I view him and his role within a larger framework of perception about the direction of the world, where God wants it to go, and a recognition that we, the human race, are in uncharted territory.
I'm always trying to perceive the edge of my understanding. The edge of my understanding is like a horizon that constantly changes and evolves (if you will allow the expression) as I walk closer to it, and as it unfolds, while I move forward, that horizon is always out ahead of me and is not something I can ever fully arrive at.
Note: I'm not saying that a more rigid view or less rigid view is better. I'm simply comparing and contrasting what and where our views seem to differ.
On a tangential note, I'll mention that I believe God has always known and understood the potential for the level of tech we are now approaching and which is now becoming part of our experience on all levels. But like anything in creation, the issue is not the tech, the object, the thing, but who wields it, controls it, and for what they use it.
Ultimately, I don't think this is in Trump's hands. It is, in fact, in the hands of collective humanity, and the direction it goes in is determined by who well we rise up to our God-given responsibility.
So, whether you are right or wrong, in your perception of what is happening, of what should be happening, of what you think was promised, etc, the fact that you are investing effort to make a moral decision based on your own perception, this can only be a good thing that advances the cause. Even if you are wrong. And as long as you don't do anything too stupid. (Like dye your hair blue, or sumting.) (But also if you are right, obviously.)
That's all for now.
(Lord, does what I've written even make sense? sigh.)
I think for me the question is: Do you trust that Trump is playing a complicated game with an end goal that you agree with and that sometimes, the moves he makes might not make sense in the moment but that doesn't mean the game is over, that he's lost it, or that he's gone Benedict Arnold on us?
And up until now that answer has most certainly been yes for me.
Yeah, I got a yes on that too.