Peymon explains it pretty clearly here in 26 minutes...answers all the "deep" questions, arising from fearful programming.....which is what prevents 95% of people from taking back their power and benefiting from their own hard-earned money.
In short, you only need to pay "income taxes" if you live in the geographical boundaries of the District of Columbia and/or are employed by the Federal government. That's the "law" (rules written by the rule-makers) and what the Founding Fathers originally intended, and has always been true to this very day.
Taxation is theft.
I have not signed a tax return in over 25 years
I applaud you.
Have you been retired? If not, and you've been employed, how do you keep from being harassed by the IRS? Tell us your secret!
Good for you. I only figured it out 7 years ago...
Peymon Mottahedeh should not still be around as he's been giving wrong answers a long time. Some call him Pay-Mon because of his advice rates.
It's Not Just DC And Fed Employees
It is true that some applications of the income tax apply to DC and others to federal employees. But to act like that is all applications of the tax is a sucker position that IRS wants people to plead so that they can destroy their lives in court. You need to look at all the laws and find the ones that apply to you. There are many other ways for an excise to reach you than those two. What the Founders wanted was that an excise be avoidable by people who merely use their common rights (such as the right to exchange labor for pay). But the current system convinces people that they have signed onto some excise agreement with the US that makes them liable.
I can explain the details but I don't unless asked. The ordinary person will be receiving information returns from third-party payors this month indicating what the third parties have alleged constituted income. If these allegations are true, pay the tax, if they are false, correct them and pay the adjusted tax. That part is very simple. The part about determining the accuracy of whatever allegations apply to you is less than easy but there are many of us who can walk people through it.
Please explain the details at your convenience.
Thanks for asking. If you have moments from time to time, I explain it Socratically so as to ensure no missteps from either of us.
Are you an American, a citizen of one of the 50 united States, someone who has delegated power to your public servants representing the state and federal governments? Do you uphold the Constitution for the United States of the year of our Lord 1787, as amended?
Have you some experience with SCOTUS decisions authorizing the 16th Amendment and defining differences among direct taxes, duties, imposts, and excises?
Have you some experience with the structure of the Internal Revenue Code?
What information returns would you like to talk about, W-2 alone, or any other returns by form number?
If you have a little background beyond your request that helps too, thanks. I can usually get back to you within hours.
u/PompeiusMagnus, did you want to go further?
Ha, his advice is free. Why attack? Strange. Shill?
Just sharing my experience. I'm sure you're aware that there are many voices sharing tax information and some of them are indeed shills. That's why the only test can be the law as read by your conscience, not any man's words including mine. People are free to follow bad advice that distracts from the real scheme at work by highlighting a subset of the scheme and blowing it out of proportion to create an easily destroyed strawman that many people think is the real scheme. For instance, he shouldn't say "DC" alone when every other possession is treated the same way; PR and VI earnings are taxable, for instance. If you'd like to know more about the actual application of the law to private workers in the several states, I'm happy to answer.
Well sure, "the several states" include the US territories. I wrote a highly simplified text "teaser" to get people to the video. Peymon explains that clearly in his FREE videos and guidance.
I agree with your "conscience" statement too. 99% of Westerners are submerged in fear and adversarial energies....plenty of that on this board. I used to explain the entire "income tax" thing to people that took 20-30 minutes. At the end I'd explain, "be aware, the IRS will never send you a letter or call you letting you know you're 'off the hook'"....hahaha. And that stops probably 90% of the people in their tracks. I now START with that in conversation.
I next tell people that if you are fearful and or treat the fictional entity known as "IRS" as an ADVERSARY, you shouldn't bother trying this. Next to nobody understands that we create our own reality. These energies, when strongly and frequently felt, will indeed "manifest" negative and difficult events.
Peymon's process includes sending three 150-page packets to your Congressman and state Senators which clearly and explicitly demonstrate that "there is no LAW"".....AND NEVER HAS BEEN requiring men and women, living on the land and soil of the 50 geographical boundary zones known as "states". These packets politely invite our {NON}-Re-Presentatives to respond explaining how and why they think you are wrong, and/or point us to the "law" that says otherwise.
Tens of thousands of these packets have gone out and not a one [NON]-Re-Presentative has rebutted the assertion. And only a tiny few have even bothered responding at all, basically saying "they're looking into it and you better keep paying until you hear otherwise".
If our [NON]-Re-Presentatives, the very people who are supposed to KNOW THE LAW are unable to rebut the assertion, that should be all you need to know. They're literally "in on it".... blackmailed, compromised, or complicit.
I don't know where you got that strange comment about "people saying" this, that, or the other about Peymon. Everybody out there has 'haters" and he readily admits he has noisy detractors. He also readily admits that the few clients of his that did get into legal trouble and/or go to prison were people he tried to help who unwittingly SIGNED THE 1040 and sought his help after the fact. That simple act is your admission that you've given the cabal "standing" over you, the "taxpayer / non-filer / resident / citizen.
Trust me, I've studied this topic deeply for over 5 years. Peymon has it right. There are other tacks that you can take of course, but his is the simplest and most battle-tested.
But I appreciate the offer. Cheers
What'd I tell ya?
First, via my usual method on behalf of lurkers, let me state the corrections from my POV having studied it since my teens.
No, usually people use "the several states" to distinguish the 50 states that delegate power to the federal government from those possessions that in some laws are also called "States". What a "State" is depends on the legislative scope and cannot be simplified into one definition.
No, the IRS is not a fictional entity, it has the powers of the presidentially appointed Commissioner of Internal Revenue since the 1860s IIRC. That's a second strawman that gets people in real trouble even though the chain of custody is in fact a bit murky.
No, it's false that there is no law. Off top of my head, I believe it's 26 USC 61 that taxes gross income. If you're a man or woman living on land and soil in one of the 50 zones (the ones that empower the feds), that law and its related sections requires you to pay taxes on a portion of your gross income. But you didn't finish the sentence, maybe you could have completed it accurately; it just started so irrelevantly that it's likely to go in the wrong direction.
No, IRS has no duty to accept your invitation to respond because the packets do nothing to absolve you of the legal duty as I just hinted. They don't constitute testimony about income (like tax returns do), they have no effect except maybe for reliance defense which comes so much later in the cycle that it's silly to send a packet written by someone else. Also, their failure to rebut, or their stalling you, is just biding time until they're legally permitted to assess and seize (and paytriots don't advise you of that longterm risk in their cash-now sales).
No, signing the 1040 and asking for help after the fact isn't an admission of standing. It's an assessment and can be corrected with a correcting assessment (aka form 1040X). If people disagree with their 1040 testimony and Peymon isn't telling them to file 1040X, he doesn't understand the scheme. Believing that 1040 signature creates a "standing" argument is again a strawman: the signature is merely a testimony that money was exchanged that met certain statutory categories. There's no magic in the words taxpayer, resident, citizen (or even nonfiler) that creates power over you: if you're not any of these and yet you earned "income" (which is a form of magic word per SCOTUS, it being what's taxed), the income is taxable after a point.
Creating your own reality is useful generally, but tangential here. The scheme doesn't rely on what reality anyone believes, it relies on ministerial testimony of taxable activity, because that narrow category is actionable in court without awakening people to the nature of the scheme and without any defense based on "reliance" upon a believed reality.
Now then:
Since I care about you and those listening, and have been giving the same above advice on Scored for 5 years when asked, without variation, let's try to take an opportunity to understand each other from each other's POV.
If you (as I do) routinely explain the entire scheme in 20 minutes, could you take a moment to tell us what the first few boxes of a W-2 mean as defined by statute, keeping their differences in mind, please? If you're able to talk about such a simple topic with legal accuracy, or if you're interested in comparing two views on such a topic, we can proceed without needing 150 pages of reliance defense.
Obviously the IRS has had trillions with which to create strawman arguments, have people believe and popularize them, and then scare everyone away from understanding the real scheme because the strawmen get burned up. Therefore it's essential to read the law that we delegated our Congressional public servants to write (and the related code) and to insist on its exact application. The only way to overcome false testimony is with true testimony.
"No, the IRS is not a fictional entity, it has the powers of the presidentially appointed Commissioner of Internal Revenue since the 1860s IIRC." -> Of course it is. Did "MAN" invent it? Then it's a FICTION. All corporations (orating corpses) and "government agencies" are FICTIONAL ENTITIES. They have no basis in true reality. Thus, they are fictional. McDonald's is a fictional entity. The DE FACTO "Federal Government" is a fictional entity.
"No, it's false that there is no law." -> You don't understand what a "LAW" is. The LEGAL SYSTEM is not "THE LAW". It's a fictional game invented by the cabal (freemasons).
"Creating your own reality is useful generally, but tangential here. The scheme doesn't rely on what reality anyone believes," -> You couldn't be more mistaken.
"If you (as I do) routinely explain the entire scheme in 20 minutes, could you take a moment to tell us what the first few boxes of a W-2 mean as defined by statute, keeping their differences in mind, please? " -> Do you BELIEVE that "statues" (RULES written by our unelected RULERS) is actually a LAW? Are you suffering under that delusion?
Are you sure a "statute" applies to "Men and women"? Can you find me one? I'll wait ( a long time).
You haven't SEEN THROUGH the deception yet my friend. Here's a simple litmus test you can apply. If FREE WILL --- which is the second universal, and an ACTUAL LAW, is being violated, you are dealing with a man/woman acting in VIOLATION of UNIVERSAL LAW. It's the Golden Rule.
The DE FACTO FEDERAL REGIME - in power due to force, threat and violence EXCLUSIVELY - and all its unlawful, fictional subsidiaries are in the business of violating free will - nonstop. They usurped our DE JURE American Interstate Cooperative Service Bureau in 1865 and asserted themselves.
The derivation is simple. All human problems can be boiled down to this simple rule. The population is constantly unhappy because they feel like their free will is being violated in one way or another. While this situation is completely "normal" all around the world, it's entirely UNNATURAL, and the controlling cabal, through it's complete dominance over all our mainstream institutions, would like nothing more than to keep it that way.
Why? Because they know humans operating in fear, worry, blame, condemnation, regret, resentment, vengeance, hatred, etc. quite literally cannot discern truth from falsehood. And as such, the masses only choice is to give their power away to those they think can protect them.
MASS IGNORANCE is the source of all suffering.
Now, apply the above FACTS to the FICTIONAL IRS and try to look at it from this higher level. Once you see it, you can't unsee it. The IRS is like the ultimate "violator of free will". The perfect "test bed" for you to see through the deception.
You are NOT a LEGAL FICTION....unless......you AGREE TO BE ONE and SAY SO. -> taxpayer, non-filer, U.S. Citizen, resident, person, driver, parent, guardian, etc. etc. These LEGAL FICTIONS are BOUND to FICTIONAL LEGAL statutes, codes, mandates, etc.
Unwind the fictions and the truth emerges effortlessly. Because truth is always simple, obvious and self-evident.
Good luck!
Well, you could play sovereign citizen and refuse to recognize agential entities and the word games called law and so forth, and create your own reality. That's beside the point of OP, because real sovereigns recognize noblesse oblige and they deign to deal with those backward, underinformed people who think they work for "governments" and enforce "laws" and so on, because it's better for sovereigns to have good relations with such poorly informed people, especially when they have lots of guns too. And that goes right back to understanding what they admit the law is to them.
I can converse on that level. Yet, on a more accurate level, Jesus Christ and I have a two-way covenant, called the Constitution for the United States of the year of our Lord 1787 as amended; and under that covenant I've authorized my state to authorize the federal government to authorize a "Congress" to promulgate American "statutes at large", and I deign to accept the process while reserving the right to take exceptions. The SAL and I are not at odds on this point, though, so I counsel people to be at peace and at one with the SAL as I am, which is not much different from the mainstream approach to law. Oh, and that's totally offtrack of OP.
Have you read 1 USC 8?
Correct, and totally offtrack. Income tax is "voluntary".
There were sketchy events that whole century, 1865 was mostly noted for the unseating of Confederate legislators, but these are historical shifts that do not exempt anyone from legal duties. (I already referred to PCD; if a person doesn't acknowledge the current government, he's free to fight it, but that's unwise given the firepower ratio and given that the law as written in the SAL is not your enemy.) So that's another strawman that gets people in trouble sooner or later. The person who thinks the whole government is illegitimate has bigger problems than petitioning that same government.
You make a valid point about fear but it doesn't apply because you return to the strawmen:
Agreeing to be a legal fiction doesn't make you a legal fiction, Abraham Lincoln said about dogs (one of the few things he got mostly right). All the words you cited are mistaken buzzwords that don't actually convey a nexus upon you like you imply they do. A couple of them relate to other nexuses but usually not ones you can use with "income" tax. However, it being an "income" tax you'd think the word "income" might be a buzzword, mightn't it?
So as a path forward I propose: (1) Let's agree that we're both sovereigns unswayed by fear (except fear of the LORD) and that any discussion we have on this point should start with that reality. (2) I further submit the proposition that as sovereigns we are free to deign to get along with those folks who play word games by playing the same game with them flawlessly (the king is free to go about as a peasant), and not arbitrarily but in sovereign recognition of what other sovereigns do via generally accepted principles (e.g. statutory construction). (3) I further submit that we agree that exchanging labor for pay is a natural right as such, and that taxes in the nature of excise are defined as not being able to reach natural rights as such; that might help you start to remove the strawmen (the loose-sounding statements that don't hold up to the scrutiny of generally accepted construction). If those are fair enough to start, you might then interact with the questions I asked of the person who simply requested the scheme be explained straightforwardly.
A painfully obvious oxymoron created by our malevolent overlords. Why do you invoke their nonsense?
-> You are also BELIEVING what this same group of controlling entities calls "Jesus Christ". You do not understand who/what "Jesus Christ" is though, if you BELIEVE their fraudulent story about a man living 2000 years ago. "He" was not "Jesus Christ". "He" was one of the tiny few who REALIZED who he was (who we all are).
A "constitutor" is -> "one who agrees to pay the debts of another". The Constitutions was a CONTRACT between the cooperative indepdent nation states and the service bureau entity they CREATED -> The "American government". The Constitution does not "grant rights to man", it merely outlined a tiny few of our NATURAL, if you like "God-given" rights that ALREADY EXISTED and always will exist. Invoking the Constitution in our conversation is of no value. You get yourself all wound up in a handful of clauses that the cabal loves to debate. A debate which is several miles downstream, obfuscated by dozens of cascading ASSUMPTIONS.
Swim upstream. Did "God" give any man (or fictional entity) the "Right" to FORCE another man to hand over the fruits of his labor? Of course not. Thus, the "debate" is expunged.
It's true, you can CHOOSE TO BELIEVE you "authorized" the DE FACTO OVERLORS and there's nothing I can do to stop you from it. That's your CHOICE. I don't remember anybody giving me a choice. Were you ever offered the opportunity to not authorize them? If not, you've been unwittingly suckered (forced) in an ADHESION CONTRACT, which you should be aware of. That's all it is. If there wasn't a choice given to "not authorize", you've allowed yourself to be bamboozled.
I have no idea what "the SAL" is, and I am the OP, so nothing I've wrtten is "offtrack".
Why would I? I'm a man. Does it say anything about men?
Is it now? Why do 99.99% of Americans BELIEVE otherwise? Could it be it's because our overlords and all their institutions are perhaps, just maybe, perchance DELIBERATELY LYING TO US? Not to mention, using threat of force, violence and imprisonment to keep everyone fearful?
You believe the history books do you? Do you really believe the Civil War was over "slavery"? A ludicrous proposition by every measure of common sense.
I, A MAN, am exempt from all things "LEGAL". You haven't seen through this deception yet either apparently. The LEGAL (Liege lord) SYSTEM is a fictional fraud. Let's not invoke admiralty/maritime talking points. That's just swimming miles downstream. There are some things that are BOTH legal and lawful (namely, causing wrong, harm or injury to another) - pure common sense. You can toss every "statute" out the window here. A jury can make perfectly reasonable conclusions about a case in controversy. There are many things that are lawful, but illegal. Like not handing another man the fruits of your labor. Or choosing not to "fight an artificial war started by our overlords to satisfy their blood lust. There are also many things that are unlawful, but legal. Like our fake federal reserve monopoly currency, a.k.a. "LEGAL tender" was entirely UNLAWFULLY foisted upon the unsuspecting masses. Thus, the "LEGAL" system does not apply to a man/woman. If you cause wrong or harm to another man/woman, then it's your obligation to compensate. How simple is that?
A FICTION cannot be "harmed", a.k.a. "crimes against the fictional state". Fictions have no "rights" because they don't exist in reality. Now, the LEGAL SYSTEM will continue to be needed when a fictional entity is involved, as this is what has defined the "Rights" of fictions. Precisely what they try to do with men and women, by using their fictional, legalese words, a handful of which I mentioned in the previous post.
Who said anything about "fighting"? Not me. I'm in no fights. I use my own God-given free will to ignore it. "It" has nothing to do with "me". How simple is that?
You keep using the term "strawman" incorrectly which leads me to believe you don't know what it is..... The LEGAL SYSTEM is the creator of all the strawmen. Are you unable to see this?
Hahaha, you did it again! I POINTED OUT THE STRAWMAN and you are now bizarrely suggesting I'm inventing one? You're not making any sense now...
What? It sure does WITHIN THE LEGAL SYSTEM. You will be treated as such! Your arguments are fading into incomprehensibility as you try to REBUT my points unsuccessfully. You're not making any sense.
While we agree "Honest Abe" was anything but most of his life, this sentence made absolutely no sense either. You're fading fast my friend!
"All the words you cited are mistaken buzzwords that don't actually convey a nexus upon you like you imply they do."
Okay, now you've "jumped the shark". Buzzwords? Really? Those are the very words you unwittingly allow yourself to become ENTRAPPED within the fictional legal system. You give them CONSENT to ruling over you when you agree to them. You have a lot more studying to do if you don't understand this most basic point.
No, not a "buzzword". It's a LEGALLY defined word -> Corporate Profits. Irwin Schiff had this right 40-odd years ago. The reason he got tossed in the can and died there is that he didn't realize his STRAWMAN ->> ALL CAPS "IRWIN SCHIFF" is a "corporation" (a trust in truth but minor point).
I'll gladly agree with the front half of your olive branch. We are indeed sovereigns and the de facto regime has NOTHING to do with us. But on the other point, no, you've allowed the cabal tricksters to fool you again. The correct word in scripture is not FEAR the Lord, it is to REVERE, to be IN AWE & WONDER to this amazing experience we're having.
It seems most people on this board, willing to accept the fact that every instiuttion is infiltrated and run by the cabal, but not modern, popular, literal Christian institutions. For the life of me, I don't understand why this isn't abundantly clear, but it's not. If everybody shifted the meaning, interpretation and definition of just a couple dozen words in Scripture, back to what they ORIGINALLY MEANT and were INTENDED TO MEAN, this world would be a very different place.
I am perfectly in resonance with allowing everybody their own free will, as universal law demands. So if you want to "Play their game", by all means, knock yourself out. My post was for the people that are ready to "break free" and take their power back. I see comments all the time on this board implying so. I would NOT make the same post on an uber-liberal forum of course.
This sentence makes ZERO sense. You need to go look up the meaning of strawman and make sure you understand how and why it is used. The cabal, the government, the legal system are the ones who BUILT ALL THE STRAWMEN!!!!. I'm just showing you how to see them, and transcend them.
Peymon "explained straightforwardly" in the video I, the OP, created this post about. You jumped straight to ATTACK DOG mode in your comment you posted within my post.
You've got yourself all bound up in at least a dozen misunderstandings, probably more. I pointed out a few here, but you have more to go. You do not understand the distinction between lawful and legal. You clearly do not understand what a "strawman" is. And you are operating with extensive misunderstandings about what Scripture says. I can help you unwind all three. But I suspect you don't want them unwound.
"It ain't what you know that gets you into trouble; it's what you know that just ain't so" - Mark Twain.
You are a free and sovereign soul in ALL RESPECTS. No man/woman has the RIGHT to tell you what you can or can't do, as long as you aren't harming other men or women. Your FREE WILL cannot be violated without karmic consequence (as you sow, so shall you reap). This is a BIG subject almost nobody understands. Suffice it to say, those who run the "government", at the highest levels, know this universal law, and agreed to take on the burden long ago.
Do you know who you are (Not "John Doe")? Do you know why you're here (discharging karma)? Do you know where you are (a floating globe in infinite space)? Do you understand what your purpose is (adherence to a BELIEF SYSTEM)?
Almost nobody can accurately answer these questions. The reason why? Humanity is just now exiting over 12,000 years of deep brainwashing. Most of which occurred in the past 150 years or so. Never in the history of humankind have the people been so thoroughly lost.
But the good news is, that's all about to change. We're right in the middle of it. The name of this board points to it. But "The Great Awakening" has nothing to do with Q, Trump, Jesus, etc. Humanity is almost entirely FAST ASLEEP. If you are BELIEVING the ideas from our "experts and authorities", you're caught up within the blind leading the blind - for many millennia now.
You are FREE and you CREATE YOUR OWN REALITY. And yes, I grant you the complete autonomy to BELIEVE you're not and that other men can tell you what to do. Your choice and I fully honor it.
Saved for later, very interesting
What if your employer takes the tax out of your check?
One of the first things he explains. Follow his steps and videos...
As I predicted, here are a couple snippets demonstrating that he doesn't explain it but merely asserts a theory and hopes it works, which is what so many others are doing.
Misleading: The IRS has the power to put people in prison who have not confessed under oath, and they often have; it just takes longer (which benefits the paytriots who sell packages now and don't help later).
False. Ordinary people of the 50 states are required to pay taxes on taxable income whether they self-assess or whether the IRS assesses (which takes longer). There are many other nexuses of federal involvement than merely connection to DC or being a federal employee.
False. If you owe tax, a petition (e.g. for redress) doesn't exempt you from owing or paying the tax, nor pause any clocks. If it's true that you don't owe tax (or owe a different amount than another has assessed), a petition is unnecessary because you simply testify everything necessary to demonstrate ministerially what you owe.
False, though he's equivocating by adding the word "federal". Obviously the people don't have to pay "federal employment tax" unless they have federal employment. But the "employment tax" and other "income taxes" do not relate to employment with the federal government; they relate to employment and related nexuses as defined by the statutes and code, which can apply anywhere in the world.
False, the W-2, 1099, and K-1 apply to payors of various payments defined by the law and apply in the 50 states and anywhere in the world.
The way to compare his assertions and my own is to look at the statutes and code as a whole to determine the reality. A person not willing to do that with a little guidance should not rely on a 20-minute video and a 150-page petition packet as if petitioning relieves one of a legal duty.
(Those who desire to engage peaceful civil disobedience and are willing to suffer for it are excepted. But one cannot pretend one is complying with some law in this respect without knowing the law.)