This incident, in the context of where, and how it happened. I would side with the Officers 10 out of 10. The fact that he was in that area, and armed, and in conflict...is enough. A Lot of FOFA happening..Kinda Like Shit.
The fact that these protestor’s purposeful efforts are to cover up the crime of individuals, leaders & organizers within the state of Minnesota, their political party, and criminal organization is interfering with legal enforcement of the law makes them all an accessory to the crime in my opinion.
The point of this OP is not to say our brave ice law enforcement are bad. I still support them totally even if they messed up here.
I'm not emotionally invested either way.
I just want to know the truth.
The truth is the point of the OP.
This guy was playing stupid games, and got the stupidest prize.
He should have never been interfering with law enforcement. Dumb.
Spent most of the day keeping my opinion to myself because I wanted to see all available footage and angles. I've seen other people post slow motion videos but the quality is relatively poor so it ends up being somewhat inconclusive compared to what really good, HD video could tell us.
I recommend watching the above on the highest quality setting. As you'll see, there is no mistaking the fact that they removed a gun from his rear waistband. So the question is, where did the first shot come from?
They already had the bad guy's pistol.
So WTF?
The bottom line, you have a second to make a life or death decision. Probably why protesters shouldn’t bring a concealed weapon to a protest and then antagonize federal agents. Hind sight via video lacks true context.
The truth is we don’t know the truth. Life doesn’t happen in a super slow motion, silent replay. What appears to take several seconds in the replay happened in an instant.
Just my opinion, if we want to get closer to the truth we need to watch at full speed from the shooting agent’s perspective. How much time elapsed from an agent shouting gun to the initial shot fired? What weapon fired that shot?
Was the shooting agent aware the suspect had been disarmed? This is the only question I will venture to answer. Sadly, he apparently wasn’t.
The other officers had no idea he had already been disarmed due to all the fag whistles and screeching
Not to mention it isn’t safe to assume someone only has one gun.
I haven’t seen anything yet from what happened, btw. Just a blanket statement.
This incident, in the context of where, and how it happened. I would side with the Officers 10 out of 10. The fact that he was in that area, and armed, and in conflict...is enough. A Lot of FOFA happening..Kinda Like Shit.
The fact that these protestor’s purposeful efforts are to cover up the crime of individuals, leaders & organizers within the state of Minnesota, their political party, and criminal organization is interfering with legal enforcement of the law makes them all an accessory to the crime in my opinion.
The point of this OP is not to say our brave ice law enforcement are bad. I still support them totally even if they messed up here.
I'm not emotionally invested either way.
I just want to know the truth.
The truth is the point of the OP.
This guy was playing stupid games, and got the stupidest prize.
He should have never been interfering with law enforcement. Dumb.
Spent most of the day keeping my opinion to myself because I wanted to see all available footage and angles. I've seen other people post slow motion videos but the quality is relatively poor so it ends up being somewhat inconclusive compared to what really good, HD video could tell us.
I recommend watching the above on the highest quality setting.
As you'll see, there is no mistaking the fact that they removed a gun from his rear waistband.
So the question is, where did the first shot come from?
They already had the bad guy's pistol.
So WTF?
This can help answer. Start at the 35 second mark.
I've watched this 5 seconds over and over.
Where was the officer's pistol the exact moment you hear the first shot?
https://x.com/cassandrarules/status/2015158747732049931?s=46
Future marker: today is going to be a catalyst.
It’s on another thread here, apparently it’s a design fault of the Sig P320, if there’s a round in the chamber, it can discharge if handled roughly.
It was an accidental discharge, followed by a wrongful follow up by the second officer.
Question is, why was the guy there, armed with additional magazines? Was he not at work, on welfare or was that his job?
A rightfully angry Public, does not make the task easier.
The bottom line, you have a second to make a life or death decision. Probably why protesters shouldn’t bring a concealed weapon to a protest and then antagonize federal agents. Hind sight via video lacks true context.
If the officers fucked up they should be held accountable, that's all.
I've been waiting to see a video break down like this.
looks like he was disarmed first, then the confiscated firearm discharged?
There's another video where you can hear a shot before the Ice officer fires.
Now lets see the bodycam footage.
If there's no bodycam then the above video stands as the most accurate angle of the disarming part of the scuffle.
The officers need to answer for what happened. Yes
The democrats have been turning up the chaos exactly for this to happen, so its even more important to own the mistake.
This is a forced error on the play so we need to call it like it is.
Maybe it went off when removed because it was one of those defective guns that does that
The truth is we don’t know the truth. Life doesn’t happen in a super slow motion, silent replay. What appears to take several seconds in the replay happened in an instant.
Just my opinion, if we want to get closer to the truth we need to watch at full speed from the shooting agent’s perspective. How much time elapsed from an agent shouting gun to the initial shot fired? What weapon fired that shot?
Was the shooting agent aware the suspect had been disarmed? This is the only question I will venture to answer. Sadly, he apparently wasn’t.