If there is no talking filibuster, then there will be no SAVE ACT getting passed. So no secure elections for the mid-terms and the American people get hosed - again.
At this point, I want the military to take over.
If i understand correctly,
60 is only needed to end debate.
The talking filibuster helps end debate through exhausting democrats by make them stand and talk while others sit in their seats.
Once debate is ended the act only requires 51 to pass.
Yes, but with a zombie filibuster, all the Dems will vote NO to end debate, and because they do not have to stand and actually say anything or put forth any physical effort whatsoever, the vote will be tabled indefinitely. It will NEVER HAPPEN. 60 votes are required to end debate, but in a zombie filibuster that threshold will never be reached, so debate will never end.
A talking filibuster puts strict limits on how much debate can occur, and REQUIRES that every senator who wants to continue debating to delay the vote MUST stand and talk; no bathroom breaks, no catheters, no food breaks, and they cannot sit down (or fall down) or their debate time ends immediately. It may take days, weeks, or months for every obstructionist senator to collapse from exhaustion, thus ending their debate time, but it WILL happen eventually, at which time a vote WILL BE HELD with a 51 vote threshold.
Thune is a lying, deceitful piece of shit who knows exactly what he is doing to fool the American people and to bury the SAVE Act permanently.
No. Ending debate requires 60 votes IN FAVOR. All the RINOs will vote IN FAVOR of ending debate and having a regular 51 threshold vote to pass the bill because THEY KNOW THERE WILL NEVER BE 7 DEMONRATS VOTING IN FAVOR of ending debate. The cloture vote will fail, debate will never end, and the final 51 threshold vote that Thune is promising will never take place. Meanwhile, the RINOs will pretend that they supported the bill by voting IN FAVOR of cloture, when in reality they were stabbing us in the back the entire time.
Chances of this getting 60 votes in support are zero. Thune can’t/won’t even get all “republicans “ to support it. I hope Trump vetoes every damn bill the senate sends him until we get this bill passed.
Thune WILL get all 53 republicans to vote for it, because the RINOs know there will never be 7 demonrats that will cross over and vote with them, and therefore 60 votes is impossible. This subterfuge allows them to pretend to support the bill during the cloture vote, knowing that a final 51 threshold vote will never happen. They get to pretend to support the bill while continuing to stab the American people in the back the entire time. The only way around this is a SPEAKING FILIBUSTER.
He will bring it to the floor for a vote, but WITHOUT A SPEAKING FILIBUSTER, which guarantees 100% that it will fail. That is the RINO/Demonrat plan to stop the SAVE Act. It will require 60 votes to end debate, which will allow all the RINOs to vote for it because that will only be 53 votes and it will still fail while they lie to our faces and pretend to support it. They will never reach a 51 threshold vote on the SAVE Act itself, only a vote to end debate, which will fail.
Absolutely nothing with this deceitful process will put anyone on the record in an honest fashion.
There will be a 60 vote threshold to end debate. Every RINO will lie to us by voting in favor of ending debate (53 votes) because they know there will never be 60 votes. This vote will fail every time. Because debate will never end, a 51 threshold vote to put everyone on record with their true feelings will never happen. Meanwhile, every RINO will run in front of the news cameras to lie and claim they support the act, while knowing full well that they just deceived the American people yet again and buried the SAVE Act forever.
If there is no talking filibuster, then there will be no SAVE ACT getting passed. So no secure elections for the mid-terms and the American people get hosed - again. At this point, I want the military to take over.
Times like these, I understand how some people can still be monarchists.
Direct accountability and it cuts through the bullshit.
If i understand correctly, 60 is only needed to end debate. The talking filibuster helps end debate through exhausting democrats by make them stand and talk while others sit in their seats.
Once debate is ended the act only requires 51 to pass.
Yes, but with a zombie filibuster, all the Dems will vote NO to end debate, and because they do not have to stand and actually say anything or put forth any physical effort whatsoever, the vote will be tabled indefinitely. It will NEVER HAPPEN. 60 votes are required to end debate, but in a zombie filibuster that threshold will never be reached, so debate will never end.
A talking filibuster puts strict limits on how much debate can occur, and REQUIRES that every senator who wants to continue debating to delay the vote MUST stand and talk; no bathroom breaks, no catheters, no food breaks, and they cannot sit down (or fall down) or their debate time ends immediately. It may take days, weeks, or months for every obstructionist senator to collapse from exhaustion, thus ending their debate time, but it WILL happen eventually, at which time a vote WILL BE HELD with a 51 vote threshold.
Thune is a lying, deceitful piece of shit who knows exactly what he is doing to fool the American people and to bury the SAVE Act permanently.
You man they will vote against ending debate?
No. Ending debate requires 60 votes IN FAVOR. All the RINOs will vote IN FAVOR of ending debate and having a regular 51 threshold vote to pass the bill because THEY KNOW THERE WILL NEVER BE 7 DEMONRATS VOTING IN FAVOR of ending debate. The cloture vote will fail, debate will never end, and the final 51 threshold vote that Thune is promising will never take place. Meanwhile, the RINOs will pretend that they supported the bill by voting IN FAVOR of cloture, when in reality they were stabbing us in the back the entire time.
I meant the democrats. I know that it seems backwards The democrats will vote to keep it from mioving into an actual passage vote.
Yes. Sorry I misunderstood your post.
Chances of this getting 60 votes in support are zero. Thune can’t/won’t even get all “republicans “ to support it. I hope Trump vetoes every damn bill the senate sends him until we get this bill passed.
Thune WILL get all 53 republicans to vote for it, because the RINOs know there will never be 7 demonrats that will cross over and vote with them, and therefore 60 votes is impossible. This subterfuge allows them to pretend to support the bill during the cloture vote, knowing that a final 51 threshold vote will never happen. They get to pretend to support the bill while continuing to stab the American people in the back the entire time. The only way around this is a SPEAKING FILIBUSTER.
the save america act is a scam like the patriot act and it's embarrassing so many people are falling for it a second time, learned absolutely nothing
Really, do explain exactly how the save america act is a scam.
The very first thing it does is qualify arbitrary exemptions. Did you read it?
Such as…
He will bring it to the floor for a vote, but WITHOUT A SPEAKING FILIBUSTER, which guarantees 100% that it will fail. That is the RINO/Demonrat plan to stop the SAVE Act. It will require 60 votes to end debate, which will allow all the RINOs to vote for it because that will only be 53 votes and it will still fail while they lie to our faces and pretend to support it. They will never reach a 51 threshold vote on the SAVE Act itself, only a vote to end debate, which will fail.
This is step one to get it on the record. Between the SAA and DHS funding reasoning, the filibuster rules will be changed.
Absolutely nothing with this deceitful process will put anyone on the record in an honest fashion.
There will be a 60 vote threshold to end debate. Every RINO will lie to us by voting in favor of ending debate (53 votes) because they know there will never be 60 votes. This vote will fail every time. Because debate will never end, a 51 threshold vote to put everyone on record with their true feelings will never happen. Meanwhile, every RINO will run in front of the news cameras to lie and claim they support the act, while knowing full well that they just deceived the American people yet again and buried the SAVE Act forever.