Not the entry level electricians. Those data centers also want electricians that know PLC, some coding, generator certifications (for the backup gens), and a couple other certs I can't remember at the moment. Basically, they want people who just went thru 3-4 mths of electrical school then just stopped there. They want electricians that would have an equivalent of an electrical engineering degree thru a mix of various schooling/certifications PLUS between 10-12 yrs of work experience, too.
I like Mike Rowe, but some of what he says just isn't factual.
There isn't an AI date center out there that is hiring kids right out of the trade schools and paying them more than what they'd make starting out at a company as an entry level tech. $260K/year is for the guy who's in charge of the whole damn facility maint. dept there. The average starting wage for an entry level electrician (non-Union) is about $20-22 an hour, and in some areas it's even lower. And they're paired up with an experienced tech for a few months to make sure they won't kill themselves or fuck anything up. I've seen some places here in Ctrl FL paying entry level techs somewhere between $16-18/hr starting wage.
I know a kid who spent 6 yrs in the Navy as an Elceteonics Technician that got hired on with a Defense Contractor with a maint conteact at a data center in VA. and he's making about $70K. The Navy's ET school is about 6-7 mths and they cram an Associate's Degree's worth of info into their brains in that time. Classroom and lab time for 5 days a week, 8-9 hrs a day for almost 7 mths, longer if you fail a section and get rolled back. It's the best electronics technician course you'll ever find outside of a major university specializing in STEM programs. That kid is now training incoming new hires, but he's still not at the 6-figure mark yet because he doesn't have more than a decade's worth of experience. And even then, if he doesn't go back to school to get some certs in some of the other electrical sub classes, he probably won't be able to get into mgmt.
To get to the point where you're getting $260K/yr as an "electrician," you're still gonna spend about $100K in schooling.
I like Mike Rowe, but some of what he says just isn't factual.
That's a fact.
There's politics, certs, unions, clique bs etc etc throughout. You can't buy your way into 10+ years of experience on the job. You gotta eat a lot of shit for a long time before you're anywhere near a position like that...
“It’s not coming for the welders, the plumbers, the steamfitters, the pipefitters, the HVAC, or the electricians.”
That’s the Robots that are coming for those jobs. It’ll just take significantly longer than making AI that can code with a reasonable degree of accuracy.
This is the truth. Not just robotics but modular design and an increasing demand for right to repair as well.
Plenty of things the average person can fix themselves but they don't have the right tools or parts for dealing with decades old infrastructures.
The trades essentially bank on either a lack of knowledge or a lack of resources. Going forward, modular designs and standardized parts completely take that away.
Indeed. And that’s not even considering the economic incentives for companies to avoid paying salaries out the ass.
I’d imagine there will still be highly specialized trade work that’s not so easy to outsource to Robots.
But a significant amount of it I’d be willing to bet could and will eventually be done by Robots. If the push to Electric Vehicles continues. I wouldn’t be shocked if it eventually becomes as modular as PC building.
There’s undoubtedly still going to be a Market for Tradesmen. In fact having an actual human do the work might become a selling point in the future. You’ll probably be paying out the ass for it. But then again we are already in modern day.
Though. It’ll likely be years before Robotics is at a point it can reliably replace Tradesmen. There’s likely going to be people whose main job is to follow along after the Robots and AI and double check their work.
Liable to also be a few industries that haven’t been invented yet. Wagon and Carriage Makers gave way to the creation of Automobile mechanics once upon time. Probably we’ll also see a rebirth of cottage industries.
Humans will adapt as we always have with every significant jump in technology. And find ways to occupy our time and make money.
I’d also imagine there’s quite a few retail outlets who’ll make human staff a selling point. If there’s one thing I learned from my stint in retail. There will be People who will pay a premium to have a human behind the counter to yell at and verbally abuse.
That's not saying much. At that level of overtime, you're just a slave to the government. When I was doing electrical maintenance at a sawmill, I was making around 110 with overtime (at about 30/hr) and the net was the same as I make now with 85k w/o overtime.That other 25k just went straight to illegals and welfare monkeys.
Where I live, I don’t need $260k to live comfortably. $80-$100k is a decent amount here. Not everyone coming out of college, makes that much, anyway. A lot of people have trouble finding a good job, even after going to college.
Not the entry level electricians. Those data centers also want electricians that know PLC, some coding, generator certifications (for the backup gens), and a couple other certs I can't remember at the moment. Basically, they want people who just went thru 3-4 mths of electrical school then just stopped there. They want electricians that would have an equivalent of an electrical engineering degree thru a mix of various schooling/certifications PLUS between 10-12 yrs of work experience, too.
I like Mike Rowe, but some of what he says just isn't factual.
There isn't an AI date center out there that is hiring kids right out of the trade schools and paying them more than what they'd make starting out at a company as an entry level tech. $260K/year is for the guy who's in charge of the whole damn facility maint. dept there. The average starting wage for an entry level electrician (non-Union) is about $20-22 an hour, and in some areas it's even lower. And they're paired up with an experienced tech for a few months to make sure they won't kill themselves or fuck anything up. I've seen some places here in Ctrl FL paying entry level techs somewhere between $16-18/hr starting wage.
I know a kid who spent 6 yrs in the Navy as an Elceteonics Technician that got hired on with a Defense Contractor with a maint conteact at a data center in VA. and he's making about $70K. The Navy's ET school is about 6-7 mths and they cram an Associate's Degree's worth of info into their brains in that time. Classroom and lab time for 5 days a week, 8-9 hrs a day for almost 7 mths, longer if you fail a section and get rolled back. It's the best electronics technician course you'll ever find outside of a major university specializing in STEM programs. That kid is now training incoming new hires, but he's still not at the 6-figure mark yet because he doesn't have more than a decade's worth of experience. And even then, if he doesn't go back to school to get some certs in some of the other electrical sub classes, he probably won't be able to get into mgmt.
To get to the point where you're getting $260K/yr as an "electrician," you're still gonna spend about $100K in schooling.
That's a fact.
There's politics, certs, unions, clique bs etc etc throughout. You can't buy your way into 10+ years of experience on the job. You gotta eat a lot of shit for a long time before you're anywhere near a position like that...
u/#catdance
https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/2038315756845175002?s=20
✨In comments someone posted a video of Mike Rowe saying how tradespeople are in high demand...
🚨WATCH: Mike Rowe: “We’ve been telling kids for 15 years to learn to code.”
“Well, AI is coming for the coders.”
“It’s not coming for the welders, the plumbers, the steamfitters, the pipefitters, the HVAC, or the electricians.”
https://x.com/glwatchdog/status/2038329823899386126?s=20
That’s the Robots that are coming for those jobs. It’ll just take significantly longer than making AI that can code with a reasonable degree of accuracy.
This is the truth. Not just robotics but modular design and an increasing demand for right to repair as well.
Plenty of things the average person can fix themselves but they don't have the right tools or parts for dealing with decades old infrastructures.
The trades essentially bank on either a lack of knowledge or a lack of resources. Going forward, modular designs and standardized parts completely take that away.
Indeed. And that’s not even considering the economic incentives for companies to avoid paying salaries out the ass.
I’d imagine there will still be highly specialized trade work that’s not so easy to outsource to Robots.
But a significant amount of it I’d be willing to bet could and will eventually be done by Robots. If the push to Electric Vehicles continues. I wouldn’t be shocked if it eventually becomes as modular as PC building.
So, we are all going to be replaced by AI and robots? I guess we're just screwed. I should have moved out in the woods.
There’s undoubtedly still going to be a Market for Tradesmen. In fact having an actual human do the work might become a selling point in the future. You’ll probably be paying out the ass for it. But then again we are already in modern day.
Though. It’ll likely be years before Robotics is at a point it can reliably replace Tradesmen. There’s likely going to be people whose main job is to follow along after the Robots and AI and double check their work.
Liable to also be a few industries that haven’t been invented yet. Wagon and Carriage Makers gave way to the creation of Automobile mechanics once upon time. Probably we’ll also see a rebirth of cottage industries.
Humans will adapt as we always have with every significant jump in technology. And find ways to occupy our time and make money.
I’d also imagine there’s quite a few retail outlets who’ll make human staff a selling point. If there’s one thing I learned from my stint in retail. There will be People who will pay a premium to have a human behind the counter to yell at and verbally abuse.
Love Mike Rowe! What a talented Patriot! Literally a Renaissance Man... author, broadcaster, Opera Singer, tool guy...is there anything he can't do!
Before I retired I worked with guys, young and old who were pulling in 250 with overtime.
That's not saying much. At that level of overtime, you're just a slave to the government. When I was doing electrical maintenance at a sawmill, I was making around 110 with overtime (at about 30/hr) and the net was the same as I make now with 85k w/o overtime.That other 25k just went straight to illegals and welfare monkeys.
Where I live, I don’t need $260k to live comfortably. $80-$100k is a decent amount here. Not everyone coming out of college, makes that much, anyway. A lot of people have trouble finding a good job, even after going to college.