The last "libertarian" worth their salt was Ron Paul. Everybody else under the banner of "libertarian" is a lukewarm poser, with unrealistic utopian dreams that can't pick a lane. They hurt this country more than help with their wishy-washy nonsense.
If you can't be decisive & you're going to waver and play games, you're NOT MAGA.
I'm not sure I'd call Ron Paul a libertarian as much as I'd say he's a Constitutionalist. I was a supporter of his in 2008 and 2012. I went to our state convention in 2008, and afterward we walked around outside the convention center chanting "Ron Paul Revolution, legalize the constitution!" The John McCain delegates were dicks. Good times.
Talked the talk...from a wheelchair, as it were. Completely impractical views on foreign policy. I thought his son, Rand, was going to be better in that department, but it hasn't worked out that way.
Voluntaryism is a political philosophy asserting that all forms of human association should be voluntary and consensual, rejecting the use of force or coercion by the state. Proponents argue that the state is inherently illegitimate because it funds itself through taxation, which they view as theft, and that all services (including law and security) should be provided by the free market.
Voluntaryism traces its modern roots to 19th-century thinkers like Lysander Spooner and Benjamin Tucker, but it gained significant traction in the 20th century through Murray Rothbard and the anarcho-capitalist movement. While often used interchangeably with anarcho-capitalism, voluntaryism is technically the broader ethical framework (the "why") that argues all interactions must be consensual, whereas anarcho-capitalism is a specific economic model (the "how") proposing private markets for law and defense.
Key distinctions include:
Scope: Voluntaryism applies the non-aggression principle to all human interaction, not just economics.
Strategy: Some voluntaryists focus on cultural change and "exit" strategies (opting out of state systems) rather than direct political revolution.
Overlap: Most voluntaryists are anarcho-capitalists, but not all anarcho-capitalists strictly adhere to the voluntaryist label if they support transitional state measures.
My hope (not that I believe it's likely to happen) is that MAGA and the US Constitution's pro-freedom accomplishments will, THIS time, lead the nation to gradually replace ALL government force against citizens with consensual, market alternatives.
Any entrenched, "legitimized" (i.e.; government) coercive structure will grow (Example: the past 250 years in the United States) into a tyranny of -- eventually -- epic proportions.
Thanks for acknowledging this, so I wont drag this discussion any further. We will get to see, hoefully soon enough, how everything ends up working out. This is a whole new era in our civilization and we will be learning the real way of the world, so to speak - truths we can't even imagine right now, but will become clear.
I would be delighted if it turns out to be any kind of viable utopia, but happy with whatever system that gives us freedom from the Satanic ideas for atleast another 2000 years.
I agree. There's plenty of room for improvement and if we can't have perfection (and we probably can't), "freedom from the Satanic ideas for at least another 2000 years" would be a blessing.
Purist libertarianism is only a theoratical construct. For example you won't have a balanced budget without tariffs.
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Spot on.
The last "libertarian" worth their salt was Ron Paul. Everybody else under the banner of "libertarian" is a lukewarm poser, with unrealistic utopian dreams that can't pick a lane. They hurt this country more than help with their wishy-washy nonsense.
If you can't be decisive & you're going to waver and play games, you're NOT MAGA.
I'm not sure I'd call Ron Paul a libertarian as much as I'd say he's a Constitutionalist. I was a supporter of his in 2008 and 2012. I went to our state convention in 2008, and afterward we walked around outside the convention center chanting "Ron Paul Revolution, legalize the constitution!" The John McCain delegates were dicks. Good times.
McDick delegates SUCK!
Paul was a huge disappointment.
Talked the talk...from a wheelchair, as it were. Completely impractical views on foreign policy. I thought his son, Rand, was going to be better in that department, but it hasn't worked out that way.
That's certainly true if you're talking a forcible government.
I'm talking voluntaryism, which is beyond what the US has ever tried and more of what Thoreau was talking about in Civil Disobedience and the Voluntaryism of Auberon Herbert and others.
A quick AI summary on Voluntaryism:
My hope (not that I believe it's likely to happen) is that MAGA and the US Constitution's pro-freedom accomplishments will, THIS time, lead the nation to gradually replace ALL government force against citizens with consensual, market alternatives.
Any entrenched, "legitimized" (i.e.; government) coercive structure will grow (Example: the past 250 years in the United States) into a tyranny of -- eventually -- epic proportions.
I'm aware of how most people view that idea.
Thanks for acknowledging this, so I wont drag this discussion any further. We will get to see, hoefully soon enough, how everything ends up working out. This is a whole new era in our civilization and we will be learning the real way of the world, so to speak - truths we can't even imagine right now, but will become clear.
I would be delighted if it turns out to be any kind of viable utopia, but happy with whatever system that gives us freedom from the Satanic ideas for atleast another 2000 years.
I agree. There's plenty of room for improvement and if we can't have perfection (and we probably can't), "freedom from the Satanic ideas for at least another 2000 years" would be a blessing.