IT'S A COORDINATED ATTACK ON American INNOVATION: Kevin O'Leary traces coordinated attacks on Utah data center project to organized networks, activist groups and international funding via IRS 990 filings and IP data, delivering 90 pages of evidence to federal law enforcement and White House
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Why are they supposedly using all the water? That doesn't even make sense....Is this whole thing some kind of weird psyop? Are they even building data centers at all?
They use the water to get rid of the heat. The water may exit the data center as hot water or vapor.
It’s the scale that’s disturbing. Utah uses 3.8 TW/yr. That’s for humans to use in Utah, the entire state.
The proposed Data Center ADDS another 9 TW to the total heat Utah uses. So we hop from 3.8 to ~13 TW in heat
That’s going to immediately change the environment
Also I’m confused. On the one hand you’re talking about water, but then when you talk about usage you’re talking about…heat? TW of heat? Do you mean electricity? You seem all over the place here. I half expect to start hearing the word “parsec” like they do in Star Wars as a measurement of speed rather than distance.
Fair question. You cannot destroy energy. That’s God’s realm
You can generate energy, and then transform it into electricity, or motion, but eventually it winds up as heat. Whether it’s your PC, car or AC unit outside. Heat tends to be the majority end form of energy. That 9TW winds up as heat somewhere. After powering lights, hard drives, server processors; it’s eventually going to be heat. Now that heat has to go somewhere. Into water and then poured away a LOT hotter than it went in. Into your lake, or heating the great outdoors
Take 2x of what Utah consumes anyway, and add that energy -> heat anywhere you want. It’s going to have an impact on everything
Ok I hear you saying that, but how much of that extra heat will really end up in the nearest lake? What lake would the Utah Dara center water empty into? How far will it have to travel to fry there? How much will that heat dissipate before arrival? Seriously it’s like you’re talking in such cataclysmic generalities on kindergarten level factoids but you’re clearly making huge assumptions without getting into any specifics. What lake would be most affected by a Box Elder County data center and to what degree?
Are you serious or trolling? Energy leads to heat and noise... why do you think race cars are loud and get hot? Why are rockets loud and hot? Have you done any kind of heat dissipation? You need water. How is electricity made? Boiling water.
How can you not understand this?
I understand THAT just fine. What’s the problem you think that’s going to cause though? Everyone seems to be getting upset that I don’t get something but I’m still standing here waiting for the real-world outcome everyone seems to think will be do terrible and I’m not hearing it. What water will get so heated by data centers that it will affect us, and how?
You really didn't know about electronics and thermal radiation? I know you know water cools down hot things. I feel like you are purposely not knowing even a laymens understanding of data centers. Does all of science confound you like this? Does it all conjure Star Wars for you? Fascinating, if true. I call bullshit.
Where did I say I didn’t know about electronics or thermal radiation? I’m asking what people think the real-world impact of more of it will be. I live in Utah. We have like a fraction of the population of some other states. Those other states have way more buildings and cars and data centers, etc. and what has it done that’s so bad in those places that people in Utah are so up in arms about it happening here? What impact does this extra heat have on every day life that you’re so worried about?
Is it? How much does 1 TW affect “the environment”?
1 Billion watts? Depends upon the area that it’s dumped into. People whine about the environment constantly. Snow fall, reservoirs, rain as things stand.
Now triple the heat for a single data center and then keep Utah flat; that’s 4x more plus that heat is gonna be dumped into a river, ground, or stream that’s now MUCH warmer than it’s ever been
Heat your local lake 1° F and things are gonna change. Ecosystems are going to be devastated
Ok. So it depends? And is anybody talking about doing something that’s gonna heat up a lake by that amount?
Lake Powell is only 172 ft below full. Utah has plenty of water.
United States is building/has built around 4,000 of them. That is far more than any other country. China has 362. I can't cite where I recently read this because I didn't save the information. Someone said they can recycle the water in a cooling tower once they take it, but collapsing aquifers is never a good idea. We need national discussions about these profound changes to our lifestyles and environment before they are simply imposed on us. Until then we can live without them. Data centers and AI are causing a lot of concern among people I know, and they need to be proven "safe and effective" before we are subject to harm.