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posted 5 days ago by JohnTitor17 5 days ago by JohnTitor17 +70 / -0
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– Sabre2th 3 points 4 days ago +3 / -0

Energy isn't everything, ballistics are different with every projectile. I hunted with high powered rounds of many calibres for over 50 years, reloaded precision rounds and calculated ballistics for over 35. "Ball ammo" will just pass thru soft tissue. I've never seen a 30-06 "stay inside -have killed dozens of large critters.

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– Tim_Berframer 3 points 5 days ago +3 / -0

I read vaporizes flash and bone. Huge hole.

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– AmateurExpert 4 points 4 days ago +4 / -0

If you have a stomach to see it, there are some major examples of both small and terrible exit wounds on ddg with search safe off under “huge 30-06 exit wound”.

The worst examples are people, so “caveat emptor”.

A 30-06 can leave virtually no hole, or literally blow the entire head off, depending exactly on what u/JohnTitor17 said - it’s about where the energy ends up being deposited.

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– G45Colt 3 points 5 days ago +3 / -0

Good luck arguing over the internet :-)

Having shot a lot of ball ammo and known several people with ball ammo scars, it rarely drills a clean exit hole after hitting anything hard following by anything but air.

BTW - I was never in the military, but family members have been and a number of people I've met over the years have the scars to prove their service.

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– killerspacerobot 2 points 4 days ago +2 / -0

Or, if there is a low powder loading in the shell, the energy will be lower in proportion. Dud rounds happen all the time.

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– Unmodifiedblood1 3 points 4 days ago +3 / -0

They don't happen "all the time" i've seen a handful across several years of uspsa matches weekly, including state and area matches. I've shot the barrels lot of several blocks and several sets of gas runs and barrels in AR's. I've shot more rounds than most ever will at 30k 9mm a year for several years.

A $1500 Dillon press has a low powder alarm. Automated machines have many more failsafes. It happens, but not often.

It was not a 30.06.

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– killerspacerobot 2 points 4 days ago +2 / -0

Tire blowouts don't happen "all the time" either, but you would be ridiculous to insist they don't happen. Certainly not often enough to warrant having a spare tire and knowledge of how to change it. One man's experience is not the world.

Refer to my answer below to 336HoursToGo and the link to an exposition on dud rounds. Read and learn. Dud rounds happen despite all the measures taken to prevent them. "Not often" means "it happens." (People here have the thoroughly mistaken idea that "improbable" means "impossible.")

The bullet fragments were identified to be identical with a known production .30-'06 round. That's also what the rifle was chambered for. So, yeah, that's what it was.

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– Unmodifiedblood1 2 points 3 days ago +2 / -0

For starters, you're the one that said they happen "all the time." They don't.

Secondly, squibs block barrels and often result in catastrophic failures with the subsequent attempt if not caught, which retard surely didn't have the ability to rectify with his screwdriver.

Third, .30 caliber(7.62) projectiles are used in so many cartridges its not funny. .300blk, .308, .30-06, 7.62x39, x54, 7.62 nato, a billion different 300 magnum cartridges.

That twink didn't tote a nearly 4 foot long, 9 pound mauser to a roof concealed, or disassemble it and reassemble it.

A 147g ball round from a 30-06 carries 19-24" of penetration depth. That increases to north of 30" with heavier rounds such as a 180 due to the increased mass the tissue has to deceleration.

30 06 is devastating to bone and tissue and Charlie's neck wasn't of sufficient size to even contain the temporary wound channel of the hydraulic displacement that north of two thousand footpounds of energy dump would cause. He didn't possess enough spine to stop said round at anything remotely close to typical muzzle velocity.

I don't give a flying fuck what "they" said it was, it wasn't a 30.06 and everybody who has ever shot anything with one knows it wasn't.

They don't have to convince us, only others like you who will swallow and regurgitate whatever slop they peddle.

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– 336HoursToGo 3 points 4 days ago +3 / -0

You have posted this "DUD ROUND" crap repeatedly. No one is buying that crap.

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– killerspacerobot 2 points 4 days ago +2 / -0

It's not crap. And anyone who really knows anything about ammunition understands this fact. Or you could actually do some research: https://www.theballisticassistant.com/when-click-isnt-safe-why-dud-rounds-deserve-respect/ This theory has the advantage of conforming with known facts and explaining low impact energy, trajectory drop, and reduced recoil.

The reason "no one is buying this crap" is because it trashes a very favorite conspiracy theory, and theory maintenance (bias confirmation) is far more important than a drab and unexciting factual possibility.

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– 336HoursToGo 2 points 4 days ago +2 / -0

Whatever. Cling to your lottery ticket odds, little buddy!

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