No. Although they will still be forced to accept any patient in the ER in crisis, who may only have Medicare therefore can not pay them. They can bill but I’d doubt they receive payment and that’s why they all accept it.b
Actually I just learned none of the lawsuits mentioned constitutionality, it was about OSHA over reach so it wasn’t a challenge to the constitutionality of the OSHA rules.
Although the outcome was OSHA didn’t have that right to force companies, it was about forcing the company not the employee. Employees have no constitutional rights. You can’t exercise free speech at work or your right to carry a firearm etc.
Well right. So the company still has control, like they can still say they don’t have to hire you if you aren’t vaccinated. I think that’s how things will be. Private employers have the right to hire anyone they please or fire anyone they please. It’s kinda already been like this.
Yes but could workers start saying they don’t like any requirement for a job? Like you need to lift fifty pounds well now a person can sue saying they can’t do that any longer so they can sue if they get let go for not being able to lift boxes.
That’s why I’m wondering if they will take away a right for an employer to decide work requirements.
Yes, the reason the SC ruled this way is because precedent for mandates were held up by cities or state control.
The most precedent there is, is by a city to mandate it in a health emergency like NYC.
It’s not a federal precedent. Well it is now for healthcare that takes Medicare.
But yes individual and private companies can mandate, they have even more power than cities do to mandate it.
Well they did this with the influenza vaccine even before Covid. Or rather the first fights were emerging to mandate it, firing workers for not getting it.
This actually helps them, now they’ve won that whole thing which was being fought in smaller courts.
Yep but they were pushing on this with the influenza vaccine even before Covid. Another method of control. We went in to nursing to help people not to hate our jobs or be forced to watch people suffer because we don’t agree with their methods.
We can’t practice how we think is best, we can’t give the care we think is best. Care that the patient wants or that we discuss with them and they agree with our views.
I had more freedom in private practice but the threats from regulating agencies scare me. Especially if someone sued, I’d have no defense. Both the consumers need to accept risk (as long as it’s not overt like cutting off the wrong limb) and we need regulating agencies to be a small, tiny agency, with only some power like to make obvious points like hand washing.
I’m sorry.
Correct, you are right. They will lose control of the vaccine narrative and will keep up the vaccines for people who had always took their flu shot.
It will be exactly the same as before the pandemic with certain people harping on vaccines for flu, now Covid and certain people who harp against them.
I care for neither. I would like to talk to my doctor or read the evidence myself and make up my own mind and that’s how it should be.
All influenza now is from the 1918 pandemic, I think I learned that here actually. So there’s so many variants they have to guess which ones to include in the vaccine. They can only add several because the body just won’t have enough memory workers to account for hundreds of variants.
There’s a memory limit.
So once the variants are multiplying the vaccines will work less and less.
However they still have a vaccine requirement for influenza in some lines of work so I expect this to be like that and the flu vaccine eventually. Maybe even for schools, but not everyone. So it’s not going to ever go away for some lines of work like military, healthcare, going to college, etc.
But today the SC showed understanding that the vaccines will be limited in their ability to just outright stop infection and Covid will be similar to the flu, and vaccines will be similar.
So pandemic cant be stopped with vaccines so no one is going to fight excessively hard to get everyone vaccinated.
I think the vaccines do offer some protection but it’s waning each variant. They will make new vaccines which will offer some protection but at a cost, risk of all these adverse events we are hearing about, which can’t be proven, but I wonder if they will be proven down the road here. Maybe SC has some information we don’t know yet.
Why would you want to? I’m only doing it to raise down payment on some land and we are building cabins to rent. Will retire and do holistic practice as I can’t in the city, it’s too regulated. You’re fine where you are.
I honestly don’t think so once they find someone to replace you. I just got a hospital job and I’m vaccinated. So everyone was wondering why they put me on the weekend with the most RNs. Well last week I found out three RNs had exemptions they said were good for 12 months and after that if the federal mandate went into effect, they would not get them again because they had taken other vaccines in the past. Basically the hospital needed time to replace them.
And even if it’s not me, they hired three others just for that weekend so they are putting us on the weekend with the most nurses who are unvaccinated. Signaling their intent just to replace them.
That’s why I took it. Most hospitals will require it even without a mandate. I do know a few RNs and my favorite charge nurse said they had a year, the hospital told them they could keep exemption for a year if it was mandated.
I feel super bad for them but knew it would happen. Hospitals are really fighting lawsuits so it’s the lawsuits that make them act this way. If there were no lawsuits there’d be no rules and doctors would prescribe and practice freely, like in the past.
Opening up lawsuits for providers in the last century has created defensive medicine which is highly regulated. If the hospital conforms to rules of practice, judges know how to rule on cases and it unclogs the courts.
Hundred years ago you just accepted risks and if you asked for help you didn’t sue the people you paid to help you. Imagine if almost every client you took to put in pipes sued you because the house was unstable to begin with. Despite you putting in pipes in a house sinking into the ground because all clients had that condition. You were blamed when the pipes failed. Despite it being evident the whole pipe situation will fail eventually.
Why would anyone take on a sick and elderly patient who will eventually die, or a sick person who will eventually die, if you will be blamed for their eventual death?
So that’s interesting you mention the stomach pain and headache I can understand but the stomach pain is curious.
There’s another nurse and we both get super nauseous when we are put with Covid patients. Like after an hour she’s in the BR throwing up and I’m taking nausea pills. At some point Covid is just part of our lives.
I’d rather get Covid for the fourth time than wear a mask but I know the mask wearing is recommended to protect others, not to protect myself. But seriously much of this was drawn in the beginning as an effort to end the pandemic. Moving forward they need to admit there’s no ending it, it’s now endemic and address the long term health outcomes whether it be discomfort or headache, in other situations this would be a hazard to get these symptoms because of a job.
Oh it’s fine just throwing up with a migraine at work. That’s fine now. Toughen up cupcake.
Problem is people will just get agitated and lose their shit and quit.
My position I believe masks work reasonably to protect others from large droplets so when you are sick wear one. Or I should wear one in front of my patients within six feet. That’s reasonable. But forcing a mask policy even when there’s not an outbreak, or in a wave in your area, these strategies should have been saved for these cases.
Just during a time it makes sense. The health officials don’t want to do their jobs and teach best practices during a time it’s needed so they blanketed the policy. Wear mask all the time forever! When even in an Ebola outbreak they taught when it’s appropriate to wear masks it wasn’t all the time for the rest of your life.
I can’t even tolerate wearing it under my nose. It’s rebreathing that hot air back in. It’s not that I’m out of breath. It’s that hot air on my face that makes me want to lose my shit.my suggestion for anyone else is to just pull it down under your chin for the most part and pull it back up when you are talking with someone. The point is to prevent droplets from flying out of your mouth on to another person. So logically why would you need to wear it when you aren’t on front of another person within 6 feet.
For the rest of you mask warriors, carry on. But just a suggestion that you can get away with it reasonably without any trouble as long as you are wearing it to walk in the hallway, but in your own space just pull that fucker under your chin, lol.
I work with Covid patients in the hospital and we wear masks that severely limit breathing. You feel like you will pass out and you actually will pass out. We have respirators that you wear that are better. We have to wear these for tuberculosis also.
But we wear the cloth mask out of the Covid rooms and by about hour 9 out of 12 I get literally hostile over it. It makes my face hot and I feel not irritated but agitated. So when we chart we pull the masks down and I do it so often that I can’t recognize I’m pulling my mask down and not wearing it, it’s just a reaction to be comfortable or probably to breathe well.
No one in the hospital has said anything because they feel the same way. Patients haven’t said anything when I pull it down in rooms. No one.
We are all sick to death. The only time I try to wear it after I’ve had a mental breakdown at about hour 8 or 9 of wearing it is in the morning when management comes in. I know I’ve done this in front of them but they haven’t said anything as long as I wear the N95 in the Covid rooms. I think we are all up to fucking here with the masks and I was generally supportive in the early beginning before I knew that it caused insanity.
You don’t want to apply it to wounds but to cuts is okay, as long as it’s just right away. Your body uses hydrogen peroxide to kill pathogens, cancer cells, but this causes the free radical damage we need NAC for. Or NAC helps create more glutathione we need to wipe up that extra oxygen. Our cells create hydrogen peroxide, a lot of it and yes it’s going to be toxic to our own cells. Mostly I use hydrogen peroxide as a mouth wash but diluted. It will kill any pathogen. We make our own hydrogen peroxide so when we drink it it just kills stuff in the gut. But, this can kill off unhealthy microbiota but will kill anything in the gut including healthy biota. However it could possibly help reset a healthy microbiome if done sparingly.
People will not stop acting this way. It’s not so much stupidity as it is tribalism.
With great respect and I mean no ill will toward you or anyone here, we can find tribal behavior in any social construct. In fact they accuse you of it, “cult” mentality.
They accuse you and you accuse them. I can admit I act toward tribe rules around others. We may go out drinking with friends and do shit we would have never done alone. Or not talk to someone who isn’t displaying the rewarded traits our tribe likes best when around people but then find that person fine when we are alone.
I think it’s something we should redpill ourselves with and accept. We are still in the jungle respecting traits that are in vogue or displaying attitudes that are popular. For fucks sake for a half a millennium people thought white wigs were very in style for men.
If we were in that social group, we’d wear wigs too and also like it. Socialization in primates is responsible for stupid things.