The deeper investigation has already been done and surprise surprise the abuse is rampant. But instead some people here would rather try and tell pedes to turn their brains off and blindly follow.

This is just one example from someone who downloaded 5 years worth of H-1B data and sifted through it: https://x.com/RobertMSterling/status/1873174358535110953?t=UpscJz1sYtrlk8bu3IyVNQ&s=19

Yes, the illusionary problem Elon and Vivek have pointed to is called a self-fulfilling prophecy.

People actually pulled up the fucking receipts but you wouldn't know because you're too busy here gaslighting people into towing the line.

Yeppp, it's called argument to moderation and I see it used way too often. Another thing that irks me is how people treat Occam's razor as if it is a law and overuse the shit out of it. It too is used as a way to shut down "conspiratorial thinking".

Thinking the truth is typically in the middle is a logical fallacy. The truth lies where the truth lies even with the stripping away of emotion.

Yeah I agree they are more trustworthy but still view them as MSM in the big picture.

If the recent NYP article isn't fake news then they don't disagree with each other.. anymore.. Which would mark a Trump flip flop. I'm hoping the article is clickbait though.

You're the only one who is being ridiculous here, you are asserting something OP never claimed or even hinted at.

I'm waiting to hear it from president Trump himself and not the MSM claiming to have talked to him.

MAGA originated back then too, is that no longer relevant? A lot of trumps core value statements that we still parrot to this day are from back then. Are those no longer relevant? Use some critical thinking please.

I believe this is wrong though and I will prove my position when I get the chance "out of town atm". Trump in 2016 railed against the H-1B visas, and if my claim is true then that makes his current statement both a lie and a blatant flip flop.

So is he flip flopping on his position from 2016? Or did his position evolve? If his position evolved wheres the progression? What reasons has he stated for changing such positions?

There are a lot of core issues Trump made statements on in 2016 that ring true to this day. Why is it misleading to post this one?

This 100%. There was always a point for the trust posts, but that doesn't actually mean those people and their actions are to be 100% trusted. Yet every step of the way with every one of these figures you had people shutting down any sort of backlash towards them.

How is Kansas seen around here these days? Look at his antics towards Trump, look at what came out about him and Assange. Yet here we are again down onto the next step with Vivek and Elon who don't even have posts to back them up, and yet people view them as untouchable and any sort of criticism thrown their way as unthinkable. Fuck right off.

I would agree if that were how things actually happened. Instead this all started with Elon and Vivek themselves.

You saying you can't have it both ways is a false dichotomy. Accepting that our culture has been deliberately corrupted does not render Vivek's conclusion correct.

The best lies are entangled with truth. What Vivek did was present a single piece of a much more complex puzzle, and heralded it as a convenient scapegoat and justification for how we ended up in the current H-1B ordeal.

Actually what I'm doing is the opposite of shilling. But I know understanding the meaning of words is hard.

Exactly my point this whole time. This wasn't instigated by an external source, that antagonizing came from the horses mouth.

His actual h-1b hires at his companies seem to indicate otherwise.

You're the one who keeps shilling with shallow takes.

A lot of people were moreso mad at Vivek because they felt like he was insulting their intelligence and taking a shit on our culture with one of his posts.

He didn't overtly say that, but he gave a long winded attempt at creating a scapegoat as to why we ended up at the point that corps were in need of h-1bs.

Principles are principles. You don't have to think to tell someone you disagree on a matter of policy.

Agreed fren, maximum distrust towards everyone other than Jesus Christ himself.

I agree. Of course a more rational approach is better. But I also think it's better to be more distrusting of those in power rather than the opposite.