Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen.
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For yours is the kingdom the power and the glory, for now and forever more Amen
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And AMEN!
Amen.
This part was never in the early manuscripts.
Not saying I don’t support this statement simply that it wasn’t in the historical original Greek manuscript
Amen!
I’ve been praying this every day. Especially “Thy Kingdom come, on earth as it is in heaven.” I have known the Lord’s Prayer all my life but now the words are alive with meaning.
Agreed. 2020 changed the Lord’s Prayer for me. I always knew it and said it, but now I truly understand it! If q is bs or not (I don’t think it is) it sure has brought me so much closer to God.
It is forgive us our TRESPASSES. Mandela effect changed the Bible verse. Don’t let demon hackers dictate your faith.
I was raised with trespasses however my english standard bible says debts. I like trespasses more to be honest, but I say debts ever since I read that in my bible. Perhaps I should switch back because I have always felt more natural saying trespasses.
Debt had a different meaning back when Jesus said it. Forgive us our debts sounds like a great reset and communism today. Trespasses fits much better within the spirit it was intended.
I believe it was King James who changed it. Why follow what a King says? Also somewhere in the Bible it says something about “those who changes these words”...it’s not good.
I think it was always debts in the literal sense but to better represent the intended meaning some people started saying trespasses so technically he didn't want to change the words even if the words had changed meaning with time. Kind of a tough spot there's an argument for both.
You could be right. I do know that trespasses is meant as sins. I guess it would be easier to just say that word but language has changed so much through the years.
https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/forgive-us-our-what This is where I heard it from they explain why trespasses was used and the history
Thank you.
Don’t let the Mandela effect change how you read the most important prayer. You remember it correctly, just like I do.
Mandela Effect isn’t real lol
Not the Mandela effect. Trespasses is the Catholic version, debts the Protestant. ...
[ADD] Interpretation of tongues:
http://time.com/4821911/king-james-bible-history King James Bible/ How and Why the Translation Came to Be | Time
‘Translations of ancient texts exploded in the 15th century. Scholars in Italy, Holland and elsewhere perfected the Latin of Cicero and learned Greek and Hebrew. The “rediscovery” of these languages and the advent of printing allowed access to knowledge not only secular (the pagan Classics) but also sacred (the Bible in its original languages).’ .
However since Jesus / Yeshua / Iesous may not exactly have taught this prayer in highly literate, post-Elizabethan English at the time? :)
His actual spoken words (if in Aramaic) could have been more like:
Abwoon d'bashmaya
Netqaddash shmak
Teete malkutah Nehvwey tzevyannach aykanna d'bashmaya aph b'arha
Havlan lahma d'sunqananan yaomana
Washbwoqlan haubvayn aykana daph hnan shbvoqan l'hayyabayn
Wela tahlan le'ynesyuna.
Ela patzan min bisha Metul dilakhe malkuta wahayla wateshbuhta l'ahlam almin
Amen
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And to look at even deeper facets of this discussion - Aramaic, like Hebrew, is said to be an especially 'multidimensional' language, in which words often have many levels of intertwining poetic meanings, all at the same point in time.
It embodies both/and thinking, vs. our more linear tendency to either/or. Eternal Word expressing into Time, with both simplicity and complexity.
So no wonder people speculate about precise meaning(s), it's inevitable.
But being in one Spirit here (WWG1WGA) - we have a unique ability to 'reverse Babel'. :)
Dude, really?
People fell for that because the KJV and the NKJV are not the same bible. Every single one of those "the KJV has been changed!!!!" is someone with an NKJV that doesn't realize it's a different translation.
so the KJV used to say trespasses?
To my memory, I don't recall that last bit. My priest might have said it when I was young, perhaps. No matter how you say it, if you mean it in your heart God will be listening.
Yes, you can mingle and botch the words
It works Jesus told me
As soon as you say Our Father, Christ becomes your sibling figuratively speaking
Worship and fear God only, but it is even better to just LOVE God and all of his creation. No exceptions!
It's not in all of the Gospels. In some (most I believe) of the books, it ends after "lead us not into temptation..." It's generally accepted that you can say it but it's not blasphemy to not include it. I know for Catholics, it's not considered part of the prayer itself but it is included in the wording of the mass.
thanks for this version, and does anyone remember the story of the Lord's Prayer from the Q drops?was it about the pope changing it?
Amen
In the name of Jesus Christ we pray, Amen.
Growing up I learnt it as "... and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us." It always felt like quite the mouthful of words!
Also (I always do the 2 together);
Hail Mary, full of grace
The Lord is with Thee
Blessed art Thou amongst sinners and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb Jesus
Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death amen
I always said that as a kid in Catholic school as well. However having not done it as an adult, I always wind up mixing up the words with the song about her.
It’s good to say it everyday.
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Amen! When I was 10, a student was chosen each day to recite The Lord’s Prayer over the school’s PA system before the school day (No notes... and a public school)
I still thank God for the principal who chose me to do it.
Ephesians 6:10-18 New International Version The Whole Armor of God
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord's people.
God bless you fellow patriots!
Yes and the Pope doesn't get to change it either. That was an early Q proof.
Umm you're missing some parts there, pal... Remember when Q let us know that the 'pope' was going to change the Lord's Prayer before it happened? Pepperidge Farm remembers... The Church of England and the Catholic Church use slightly different versions Catholic: Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us, and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. Church of England Traditional: Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come; thy will be done; on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.
thanks for explaining as I just asked about this up above. So which Bible did Q get the Lords Prayer from? I remember it was simple.
The so called missing ending is believed to have accidentally added to the Gospels by the copyists. They took the next part of a Mass and added it to the Our Father, by mistake. The thine is the kingdom, the glory, etc. is part of every Mass, prayed right after the Our Father is prayed.
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For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, FOREVER AND EVER AMEN
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Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in heaven
What does that part mean?
I understand the rest but I don't understand what this means.
I know the prayer but I don't understand this particular bit.
Help me out Christian bros.
His "will" will be done. As in, what he wants to accomplish, will be accomplished. His "will." So it's saying, God ultimately will win. In Earth, and in heaven, ultimately it will be God's will that wins in the end- not Satan and not human beings.
That's always been my interpretation.
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AMEN!!!
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I the name if Jesus Amen
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Amen, read this on my own minutes before seeing this post. Thank you, God bless and peace be with you.
Thank you
Amen.
This is the prayer that Jesus taught us......I hope that He leads us in our hour of need and prevents the only light of freedom in the world to be extinguished. China is evil....not it's people, but it's rulers......they pose a clear and present danger to the people of the world.....God help us.
In the name of Jesus amen
Keep Praying everyone. God wins.
We got some KJV purists in here