Edit: 17. Q. 17 No one noticed that on the conversation thus far below.
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Direct election of US Senators. This amendment, on its Fucking face most changed how our country was established. If this didn’t happen, Republicans would hold a MASSIVE majority in the US senate. MASSIVE. There is no local pressure on our county/district officials. None. Everyone looks to Washington. REPEAL THIS. NOW.
1913 coincidence?
The Seventeenth Amendment restates the first paragraph of Article I, section 3 of the Constitution and provides for the election of senators by replacing the phrase “chosen by the Legislature thereof” with “elected by the people thereof.” In addition, it allows the governor or executive authority of each state, if authorized by that state’s legislature, to appoint a senator in the event of a vacancy, until a general election occurs.
https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/generic/SeventeenthAmendment.htm https://www.archives.gov/legislative/features/17th-amendment
Wait?! So Senators used to be selected by the state legislatures and then it was changed to them being elected by the people of the state? Am I understanding that correctly?
Yes. The Senators were supposed to look out for the interests of the state and the representatives advocate for individuals. But states were more competitive in the beginning, and more rural. Considering the quality of state legislators we've seen lately, I don't see them doing a better job choosing than the at-large population, and since big cities are overrepresented in state legislatures now, giving the whole state a voice somewhat makes up for the big blue city effect.
VERY good points.
Agree for the quality of those elected officials now, but that the other half of my point. We SHOULD BE paying more attention to who we put on those local roles. We should care who they are, and the carrot we need back across the country is those people get to put our US Senators in place and hold them accountable to our state. Right now, the ignorant, lazy and corrupt have destroyed our local governments due to our lack of focus on them.
I'd never argue that. Even at the lowest level I see the same people, year after year, just like Congress. No one stirs the pot.
Term limits is a start.
Even better, a way to recall Senators. Representatives can be recalled or removed by the House Ethics Committee (and those processes could be easier) but a Senator can only be expelled by 2/3 of the Senate.
That’s what I read
That's the truth. Senators are intended to represent their states, reps are intended to represent the people.
Yes. But now we all just watch national news and blame our local problems on DC. So much happens in our own backyards that feeds that monster and we overlook it all.
Yes and no. By 1900 very few states actually selected their senators. Most had already changed it the same way they did for presidential electors, to assign that task to the citizen vote.
It kinda makes you wonder why they needed to go through the trouble of amending the constitution.
To force the total removal of the states to have any power in the federal government to stop it.
Yes. Also I think they should be paid S state employees not federal
This means tjey could all have different pays scales and only states could vote the raises. Pension if any should be PERSI just like any other state worker.
I’ve been saying this for a while now. Abso-fucking-lutely. I wrote these two comments a while back and saved it, not all of it is about the 17th, but it expands upon it even more:
Very interesting read! Never knew the first wave feminism coincided with the Red Scare!
Wow how has this not come to my attention till now ?
This is a good context and exactly the point!
So what does this mean? Sorry for being dense - been a long day
Senators used to be picked out by the state legislatures but now they've been voted in by the people of the state.
https://greatawakening.win/p/11SKGivuYY/x/c/4DvnyebqHmY
Wait until you find out what the original 13th amendment said.
Most states already allowed citizens to elect their senators at the point this was put in place.
Do not get rid of the 17th Amendment, they can continue to allow elections. Make a new one that FORCES the state congresses to APPOINT their senators.
Too late. All will be corrected when the war is over and martial law suspended.
Perfect ?
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