Everything is moving away from everything else, so everywhere looks like the center, like a random dot on the two-dimensional surface of an expanding balloon, indistinguishable from any other dot (not counting the mouth of the balloon of course).
What's important is that the discoverers of the recession expected random movement instead (both red and blue shifts equally). Unexpected universal recession indicates inflation, which indicates past finite origin, which indicates (as Big Bang theory states) the universe beginning within some medium in which the laws of physics were other than what we know in the origin Planck time, or (as theology states) supernatural creation by God.
The more I learn about science, the more it confirms that our Universe was intelligently designed by a creator.
Look at the intricacies in the human eye. In how blood clotting works to keep us from dying. Math, physics, etc. All of it points to an intelligent creator.
Then, you get to The Gospels which have been analyzed by people and they line up with accurate witness testimony. The fact that two people will tell the same story and they emphasize different things, but their accounts back the other one up is a sign of truthful witness testimony. Lee Strobel has talked about it. He was an atheist and became a Christian by trying to disprove God in case anyone reading this doesn't know who he is.
God is real. Jesus is real. True freedom is only found in Christ. For anyone reading this and questioning things, God promises answers.
Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.
-Matthew7:7-8
I've never heard of this before, but it is compelling.
I still have my own theories on aliens though. I believe they do exist and have been allowed to advance before us so that they would come to know Jesus. This phenomena you describe lends credence to my theory because it means they would have a road map to this exact location, and as such not miss out on divine revelation.
Additionally, I don't think aliens have ever personally stepped foot on this planet. More than likely, they use sophisticated androids/surrogates much like we use drones. Why ship yourself light-years away from home when you can send a robot and hook into it with a VR headset?
I'm not convinced we can exceed the speed of light, so my wager is they have developed a way to entangle particles such they can synchronize two devices that house two paired particles. The devices can be separated but the particles they house have identical movements relative to their housing device. If you move one particle 1cm to the right, the other will simultaneously move 1cm to the right as well, relative to their respective housings.
Monitoring the particles, you can solve the issue with transmission delay and receive real-time signals from two locations in space, all without breaking the speed of light (assuming information can exceed the speed of light). Ship one to the other end of the universe, and you can immediately send a message without having to wait for the signal to travel the distance. It takes an investment setting up the relay station, but once it is established you can entangle more particles and spread out much like our intranet infrastructures.
Don’t know if you guys have heard this already, but it’s both terrifying and uplifting at the same time. This interview is from December 2019. The guy being interviewed is either crazy or telling the truth, but one thing is clear, he 100% believes what he’s saying and it doesn’t sounds like he’s making it up as he goes. He’s clearly very intelligent. Anyway, it’s pretty long, but it will blow your mind.
Scientists agree that the universe started with a big bang. What stumps them is how all the matter and energy of the universe came into being and exactly what crammed it into the space of a marble before it exploded.
Philosophers throughout history agree that anything with a beginning must have a first cause. The first cause for the beginning of the universe is what we call God.
It has been billions of years since the big bang. If the big bang had been slightly more forceful, then in the billions of years that have passed, everything would have expanded to the point that no particle would be in sight of another particle. There would be no planets, stars, or galaxies.
On the other hand, if the big bang had been slightly less forceful, then by the present time, gravity would have slowed everything down, and everything would have returned to the center. We would just have a big hot mess, and again, no planets, stars, or galaxies.
Knowing the correct amount of force at the beginning shows that God is a great mind.
There's a lot more to this. Read Lee Strobel's books.
Everyone MUST watch Kent Hovind's Creation Seminar Series. It's crazy long but absolutely exhaustive in concluding a Creator and refuting every aspect of evolution.
Sources? I feel like your theory here is very disjointed and skips critical discoveries that would lead to the next one. Not to mention it sounds like there are many assumptions in play here considering the little amount of detail you have provided. This story of this supposed discovery should be able to be described much smoother and with way more detail than you are giving.
Hawking would've given donut shape some consideration (though sphere is a bit likelier). In another application (in re light cones), he said the universe is pear-shaped. I disagree and say chocolate-chip-shaped.
I appreciate your sources. Interestingly, the last one argues against this axis, holding that it's likely a phenomenon that would appear to refer back to your own location wherever you are in the universe. Haven't heard about it before and it might or might not exist, but CMB certainly holds clues about our makeup that must be read aright.
Hugh Ross is often brilliant and occasionally erratic. The best answer is that all scientific discovery either (1) fits supernatural creation or (2) results in still-debated paradoxes that, when resolved, will also fit. The estimates of the universe being 15 billion years old by expansion data but the stars in it being 20 billion years old by star formation data is an open question, for instance. When it gets solved, possibly by questioning the foundational assumptions about time, space, and light, it will accord precisely with the rest of creation. The fact that creation is orderly and that we didn't order it ourselves suggests Someone else did. Make sure and get His identity right.
Philsiophically, I disagree with bible god. Like giving a loaded gun to a toddler - I'd never give free will to someone I know was incapable of using it safely and responsibly... Eternally damaging themselves and/or others in the process. We don't put people in the captain seat of airplanes that can't fly... But for some reason, we've unexplicably determined that giving free will to someone who will just fuck themselves over with it, is good.
It disagree completely.
It's just not loving or responsible at all.... Philisophically speaking, of course.
So, if it's God you're looking for. You may want to reconsider... He's not very kind.
Your beliefs are a product of a myriad of variables... Will, or desire to believe a certain thing is one of the smaller contributors.
Like I said, you still have a lot of growing to do if you think beliefs are simply a product of will or desire.
It's another reason why bible God isn't kind... This is an elementary concept and it even seems to evade "all-knowing" him.
We're products... All of us... We're products of circumstance and experiences that influence our thinking and beliefs. We all believe things we don't want to... Because we have to. Reality does that to us.
Hi, I was just in Oklahoma so hope all is well there.
You've defined free will interestingly, in such a way as to make it obviously repugnant. I would agree that that kind of "free will" would be reprehensible if you would agree that there may be some other type of "free will" that is intellectually defensible, honorable, and "kind".
If you don't see the need to know, you cannot frame your beliefs as you would desire, and reality makes us "have to" do things we don't desire, then what are love, kindness, and responsibility at all? If everything is equally forced and no free will and responsibility exists, what makes one being or action more kind or loving than another?
If someone believes in one of these strawman gods as you describe, patient theologians say to that person, "your god is too small". Is it possible that there does exist a greater arbiter of these moral standards than we ourselves? If the only beings able to judge what is right are we fallible folk and the imaginary, impotent deities we are accused of constructing, why do we believe in right at all?
(Edit: originally said, less clearly, "impotent deities we construct".)
Sure, anything's possible, however, that's just moving the goal posts... My concept is simple... If you love someone, you don't hand them something that will fuck them up if you know it will. What are friends for if they're not looking out for you? But this deity? Combine that with the fallacy that our beliefs are completely ours alone and yet somehow judgement is passed down on this one attribute alone....
Maybe I didn't move any goalposts because I didn't plant them in a faulty location to start with, maybe that was somebody else in your life. If someone teaches you a fallacious deity, reject the teaching while still loving the person. As the OP said, the text of the Bible was fully thought-out as written, even though people have built contradictory theologies from it claiming to be faithful.
I believe in a God who is so wise He knows how to give free will as a good gift that does not ruin the people he created it for. I have thought out the consequences of this God, such as that provision must be made for those who reject Him and His gift, and that the determinism you describe must also be reconciled. I can share the winsome, merciful logic of such a God, for those interested.
This forum rests squarely on principles such as the fact that certain sexual deviancies are moral crimes and that it is just and right to punish them by due process of law. This necessitates a transcendent, Absolute Law by which it can be determined what constitutes crime worthy of punishment, and this Absolute must be more unimpeachable and supreme than our Constitution. Otherwise we have no standard for judging what true Love is. So if you believe in Love, believe that it is powerful enough not to abandon you or anyone who seeks to befriend it, but that it also knows how to judge justly. I believe that this kind of Love is also a Person you can get to know better.
Everything is moving away from everything else, so everywhere looks like the center, like a random dot on the two-dimensional surface of an expanding balloon, indistinguishable from any other dot (not counting the mouth of the balloon of course).
What's important is that the discoverers of the recession expected random movement instead (both red and blue shifts equally). Unexpected universal recession indicates inflation, which indicates past finite origin, which indicates (as Big Bang theory states) the universe beginning within some medium in which the laws of physics were other than what we know in the origin Planck time, or (as theology states) supernatural creation by God.
Amen!!!!!!!!
The more I learn about science, the more it confirms that our Universe was intelligently designed by a creator.
Look at the intricacies in the human eye. In how blood clotting works to keep us from dying. Math, physics, etc. All of it points to an intelligent creator.
Then, you get to The Gospels which have been analyzed by people and they line up with accurate witness testimony. The fact that two people will tell the same story and they emphasize different things, but their accounts back the other one up is a sign of truthful witness testimony. Lee Strobel has talked about it. He was an atheist and became a Christian by trying to disprove God in case anyone reading this doesn't know who he is.
God is real. Jesus is real. True freedom is only found in Christ. For anyone reading this and questioning things, God promises answers.
Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. -Matthew7:7-8
I've never heard of this before, but it is compelling.
I still have my own theories on aliens though. I believe they do exist and have been allowed to advance before us so that they would come to know Jesus. This phenomena you describe lends credence to my theory because it means they would have a road map to this exact location, and as such not miss out on divine revelation.
Additionally, I don't think aliens have ever personally stepped foot on this planet. More than likely, they use sophisticated androids/surrogates much like we use drones. Why ship yourself light-years away from home when you can send a robot and hook into it with a VR headset?
I'm not convinced we can exceed the speed of light, so my wager is they have developed a way to entangle particles such they can synchronize two devices that house two paired particles. The devices can be separated but the particles they house have identical movements relative to their housing device. If you move one particle 1cm to the right, the other will simultaneously move 1cm to the right as well, relative to their respective housings.
Monitoring the particles, you can solve the issue with transmission delay and receive real-time signals from two locations in space, all without breaking the speed of light (assuming information can exceed the speed of light). Ship one to the other end of the universe, and you can immediately send a message without having to wait for the signal to travel the distance. It takes an investment setting up the relay station, but once it is established you can entangle more particles and spread out much like our intranet infrastructures.
Don’t know if you guys have heard this already, but it’s both terrifying and uplifting at the same time. This interview is from December 2019. The guy being interviewed is either crazy or telling the truth, but one thing is clear, he 100% believes what he’s saying and it doesn’t sounds like he’s making it up as he goes. He’s clearly very intelligent. Anyway, it’s pretty long, but it will blow your mind.
http://qanon.video/q-videos/their-final-attempt-to-control-the-world/
Scientists agree that the universe started with a big bang. What stumps them is how all the matter and energy of the universe came into being and exactly what crammed it into the space of a marble before it exploded.
Philosophers throughout history agree that anything with a beginning must have a first cause. The first cause for the beginning of the universe is what we call God.
It has been billions of years since the big bang. If the big bang had been slightly more forceful, then in the billions of years that have passed, everything would have expanded to the point that no particle would be in sight of another particle. There would be no planets, stars, or galaxies.
On the other hand, if the big bang had been slightly less forceful, then by the present time, gravity would have slowed everything down, and everything would have returned to the center. We would just have a big hot mess, and again, no planets, stars, or galaxies.
Knowing the correct amount of force at the beginning shows that God is a great mind.
There's a lot more to this. Read Lee Strobel's books.
Everyone MUST watch Kent Hovind's Creation Seminar Series. It's crazy long but absolutely exhaustive in concluding a Creator and refuting every aspect of evolution.
Sources? I feel like your theory here is very disjointed and skips critical discoveries that would lead to the next one. Not to mention it sounds like there are many assumptions in play here considering the little amount of detail you have provided. This story of this supposed discovery should be able to be described much smoother and with way more detail than you are giving.
Hawking would've given donut shape some consideration (though sphere is a bit likelier). In another application (in re light cones), he said the universe is pear-shaped. I disagree and say chocolate-chip-shaped.
I appreciate your sources. Interestingly, the last one argues against this axis, holding that it's likely a phenomenon that would appear to refer back to your own location wherever you are in the universe. Haven't heard about it before and it might or might not exist, but CMB certainly holds clues about our makeup that must be read aright.
Hugh Ross is often brilliant and occasionally erratic. The best answer is that all scientific discovery either (1) fits supernatural creation or (2) results in still-debated paradoxes that, when resolved, will also fit. The estimates of the universe being 15 billion years old by expansion data but the stars in it being 20 billion years old by star formation data is an open question, for instance. When it gets solved, possibly by questioning the foundational assumptions about time, space, and light, it will accord precisely with the rest of creation. The fact that creation is orderly and that we didn't order it ourselves suggests Someone else did. Make sure and get His identity right.
Why does this matter? As a non-believer, I guess I don't see the need to know.
And if a person subscribes to the idea that we can frame our beliefs how we'd like to.
Well, they still have a lot more living and growing to do.
Philsiophically, I disagree with bible god. Like giving a loaded gun to a toddler - I'd never give free will to someone I know was incapable of using it safely and responsibly... Eternally damaging themselves and/or others in the process. We don't put people in the captain seat of airplanes that can't fly... But for some reason, we've unexplicably determined that giving free will to someone who will just fuck themselves over with it, is good.
It disagree completely.
It's just not loving or responsible at all.... Philisophically speaking, of course.
So, if it's God you're looking for. You may want to reconsider... He's not very kind.
Your beliefs are a product of a myriad of variables... Will, or desire to believe a certain thing is one of the smaller contributors.
Like I said, you still have a lot of growing to do if you think beliefs are simply a product of will or desire.
It's another reason why bible God isn't kind... This is an elementary concept and it even seems to evade "all-knowing" him.
We're products... All of us... We're products of circumstance and experiences that influence our thinking and beliefs. We all believe things we don't want to... Because we have to. Reality does that to us.
Hi, I was just in Oklahoma so hope all is well there. You've defined free will interestingly, in such a way as to make it obviously repugnant. I would agree that that kind of "free will" would be reprehensible if you would agree that there may be some other type of "free will" that is intellectually defensible, honorable, and "kind". If you don't see the need to know, you cannot frame your beliefs as you would desire, and reality makes us "have to" do things we don't desire, then what are love, kindness, and responsibility at all? If everything is equally forced and no free will and responsibility exists, what makes one being or action more kind or loving than another? If someone believes in one of these strawman gods as you describe, patient theologians say to that person, "your god is too small". Is it possible that there does exist a greater arbiter of these moral standards than we ourselves? If the only beings able to judge what is right are we fallible folk and the imaginary, impotent deities we are accused of constructing, why do we believe in right at all? (Edit: originally said, less clearly, "impotent deities we construct".)
Sure, anything's possible, however, that's just moving the goal posts... My concept is simple... If you love someone, you don't hand them something that will fuck them up if you know it will. What are friends for if they're not looking out for you? But this deity? Combine that with the fallacy that our beliefs are completely ours alone and yet somehow judgement is passed down on this one attribute alone....
Well, it's all just a little under-thought out.
Maybe I didn't move any goalposts because I didn't plant them in a faulty location to start with, maybe that was somebody else in your life. If someone teaches you a fallacious deity, reject the teaching while still loving the person. As the OP said, the text of the Bible was fully thought-out as written, even though people have built contradictory theologies from it claiming to be faithful.
I believe in a God who is so wise He knows how to give free will as a good gift that does not ruin the people he created it for. I have thought out the consequences of this God, such as that provision must be made for those who reject Him and His gift, and that the determinism you describe must also be reconciled. I can share the winsome, merciful logic of such a God, for those interested.
This forum rests squarely on principles such as the fact that certain sexual deviancies are moral crimes and that it is just and right to punish them by due process of law. This necessitates a transcendent, Absolute Law by which it can be determined what constitutes crime worthy of punishment, and this Absolute must be more unimpeachable and supreme than our Constitution. Otherwise we have no standard for judging what true Love is. So if you believe in Love, believe that it is powerful enough not to abandon you or anyone who seeks to befriend it, but that it also knows how to judge justly. I believe that this kind of Love is also a Person you can get to know better.