Buy shiny, in your hand, physical silver. Buy it all and buy it now.
If we win this war the price of silver will almost certainly adjust to its real value. Its real value is about 1/10 of gold, which puts the lower limit at about $200/oz for silver.
However, gold is also suppressed, maybe by a factor of five or more. That would put the real value of silver at upwards of $1000/oz. There is no better investment than silver at this time if you consider its potential, and the potential losses if it doesn't adjust to its real value. In that case (the worst case scenario) the value will remain about the same and you lose nothing.
Yes, but that's based on a false value. The debt clock is meaningless because debt is created purely as a control mechanism. It doesn't properly measure the market value of goods.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but you could be low. The clock shows the disparity. Meaning, if we return to a gold/silver backed currency (which we will when the ga happens), silver will probably be worth as you stated; $1K-$2K/oz or more.
I have no idea what the market adjustment will be, i.e. what the real buying power of 1oz of any PM will be. I am just saying (in response to you specifically) that the debt value is mostly meaningless. What I am sure of, is its buying power will be a whole lot more than it is now.
My best guess would be that a new currency paper (with a crypto component - blockchain = yes) will be introduced as gold/silver backed. There will be a window where regular notes get pulled from the system and replaced with the new. However, what value will be determined for said currency? This is where gold and silver could really see their day.
I also think we will get a new currency that is PM backed crypto. I don't know if there will be a need for a paper component. Crypto has all that is necessary for a full currency, including complete privacy of transactions and no tracking (even better than paper) if it is designed that way.
I don't know how much it will be worth when the dust settles. How much real buying power does 1oz of Ag have e.g.? It depends on how much there is in total (it will almost certainly become the standard not just in America, but across the planet), and how in demand it is for tech. Currently tech demand is very high, but there may be new hidden technologies that decrease (or increase?) its tech value. It's really impossible to say.
I'd say the most important factor is that all PMs are a limited resource. Someday they will become less limited when we start off-planet mining, but they are still ultimately limited and there is a substantial energy and resource expenditure for such mining.
The problem with gold is that we have no idea how much of it the Cabal has salted away over the centuries. If it's a lot, then they've been hoarding it to keep it scarce.
Notice that the price of gold has been steadily dropping recently, almost as if someone had just come into possession of an enormous pile of it, and was steadily divesting.
The problem with gold is that we have no idea how much of it the Cabal has salted away over the centuries. If it's a lot, then they've been hoarding it to keep it scarce.
I don't think this matters in the slightest. The most likely scenario is that it will be distributed among the population, either at once or over time. Will that cause inflation? Maybe, but it will be a temporary adjustment.
Notice that the price of gold has been steadily dropping recently, almost as if someone had just come into possession of an enormous pile of it, and was steadily divesting.
The variance has been a few percent. This is likely due to one of two things.
it is exactly the same as it always has been. Remaining relatively steady to keep inflation regulated.
It is done to keep the PM market stable to allow for the populace to buy PMs and empty the public reserves before they attack the Luciferian reserves and PMs go ballistic.
If you wanted to hurt the Cabal, and you had just pinched a fat hunk of their hoard, what you do, short of nuking Fort Knox?
Realize that the whole reason why fiat exists in the first place is because the Cabal hoards gold for centuries until economies (that they initially set up) based on it suffered crushing depressions. Then, after fiat is established for several generations, and the last people alive in the 1870s are gone, control-opposition figures will begin touting "Gold standard!" again while every site is stuffed with precious metals ads -- because there's fucking mountains of the stuff off the official books that you don't know about. De facto "fiat gold" --Wouldn't that be a lovely racket to control?
Your entire supposition seems to depend on who is playing the best game of chess. Do you honestly think the Patriots haven't thought about the Cabal gold stores? Do you think they haven't attacked those stores? Do you honestly think the Patriots will lose because they forgot to look under the mattress (or deep under the ground)?
Everyone knows the winner will be the side that controls the gold. THAT is the war. I am going to assume others realize that. My arguments are based on that. They are based on that because if the Patriots don't take care of the gold issue we lose the planet to the Luciferians for all time. I just don't think anyone is that stupid.
I think that military isn't telling us jack-shit right now, and for good reason.
"Everyone knows the winner will be the side that controls the gold."
The total value of all the gold in the world is less than ten trillion dollars. It's really not important anymore, because you can't make anything with it. But they sure will sell you on the idea.
It'll never become a purely industrial metal because it's pretty, but its days of being a primary store of wealth have long since been superseded by shares in land, energy, and processing power.
Gold is not a good basis for a currency. 1. It has very little practical use and so does not reflect actual wealth of a society, 2.its ownership is narrowly distributed amongst the already rich and powerful, it is a very limited supply and so vulnerable to monopolization and price manipulation.
Our currency is best backed by wheat, which remedies all the above.
i have been and continue to buy as mush PHYSICAL as i can afford. NOT SLV or PSLV...I want to be able to put my hands on my investment. Buy physical silver and take delivery of it....at that point you have full control. Stack em high!!!
You mean, fiat currency? That may very well be. However, the battle right now is $/€ and it's effects on silver price. You will find some very interesting correlations there.
When it comes to exchange for goods and services, the PRICE may be way different. I'd dare say, you first would have to find someone to even take a silver or gold coin. The value for value thinking in the case of Silver and gold coins has been evaporated.
What you are actually alluding to, is when there is not possibility of using any other means, fiat currency or digital currency, Gold and Silver coins may proof to be a good alternative.
In such a scenario, you then may be well off. By the same token, a piece of land with it's own water source, may even be a better store of value. It depends on the scenario.
The above is no argument against gold or silver coin. Far from it, it is to indicate what risk is actually to be hedged.
I have been buying silver since 2008. If you purchase one ounce a week, you won’t break your budget. Over time, you will accumulate. But if you buy a bunch now, you will be paying a higher fee over current price due to demand, which means you are already overpaying. The price will always fluctuate. It has NEVER followed any prediction, or correlation to inflation, QE, supply and demand, price of oil, stock market....so take my advice, go to your local coin shop and buy once ounce per week, treat it like a lottery ticket, because it is.
And when SHTF, gov will pass a law confiscating all gold and silver from us little guys, like they did when Roosevelt was pres, you won’t be able to publicly use it.
These are the old rules. The world is very likely about to change drastically. I would bet (and have) any amount of money that we are about to go back on a precious metals standard. That will put PM at their real value instead of the Luciferian adjusted/market manipulated values.
You are welcome to believe what you wish. Those rules exist purely because of how the markets have been manipulated for the past 150 years. The largest manipulation has been in Ag/Au.
Look at the Ag/Au ratio over the past 5000 years. It remained perfectly stable until the early 1870's (around the time of the Act of 1871) when the Luciferians took over D.C.. It became much worse after 1913 when the Luciferians created the Fed and took over our currency completely. After 1933, and all the economic changes they put in after their forced market crash in 1929 the Ag/Au ratio really took off. It has been between 1:50 and 1:100 ever since.
Silver is MASSIVELY undervalued. If we win, that manipulation will end and silver will rebalance. But it isn't just silver that's been manipulated. They have also manipulated Ag to suppress the inflation that their money printing would have otherwise forced to increase.
Trust me or don't, but I promise, if we win, Ag will go to its market value (at least 1/10 of whatever Au adjusts to).
"gold and silver are an incredible investment right now"
Commodities are not "investments" at all, at any time, because investments offer a rate of return. I.e., you don't "invest" in a silver dollar in expectation of waking up to 1.04 silver dollars.
What they are, are stores of value (i.e., inflation hedges, and, in the case of PMs, portable wealth AKA "money").
It is "valued" exactly as the market is willing to pay for it.
Claiming it's "undervalued" simply tells me that the claimant is speculating "long" in whatever the claim is being made of. I.e., he's "talking his book", as the expression goes. If you don't understand this (or worse, deny it), then you're the person at the poker table who doesn't know who the "mark" is.
If you don’t understand what the great awakening is yet, you don’t realize the the end of the FED is a forgone conclusion. Fiat dollar is dead, and we will most likely return to a gold/silver backed currency.
If, as is commonly claimed in these forums, the Fed has been absorbed into the Treasury, then it's already a done-deal. And yet, the dollar hasn't blown up, and PMs have been slowly declining from their spikes of several months ago.
If you think Trump-slash-Qteam are good guys, then why do you assume that they would let Americans' saving-accounts blow into utter worthlessness?
That's what bad guys would do.
Here's my guess as to what the good guys will do: there will be a new issue of the dollar (blockchain-based to thwart counterfeiting), which will gradually replace existing notes. Chinese stockpiles of counterfeit Franklins will become worthless.
Trump loves the dollar -- remember that. He also named his son after a character in a book written by a 19th century author, so I wouldn't put it past him to understand how the Cabal enslaves commerce with its money (whether gold, silver, or fiat).
I agree completely. My best guess would be that a new currency paper (with a crypto component - blockchain = yes) will be introduced as gold/silver backed. There will be a window where regular notes get pulled from the system and replaced with the new. However, what value will be determined for said currency? This is where gold and silver could really see their day.
Good point. But GEOTUS still may be ahead of the curve. Lots of scuttlebutt online recently about gold being retaken from the vatican and rotten US Corp.
Silver is HIGHLY manipulated. People know what it should be valued at based on price of big sister gold and the demand for physical silver. The problem is market manipulators have over sold silver x500 or more and are able to buy and sell "paper" silver as they need to keep the price suppressed. The Fed uses bullion banks as its agents to put on naked silver shorts on Comex to drive down the price. It enables banks to repurchase silver at lower prices.
Silver is back in the news because of Reddit's recent GME's raid. It raised the question, could silver manipulation be broken?! This isn't the first time investors have attempted to free silver from it's captors. Many investors with deep pockets have tried and failed. Silver wiped out the billionaire Hunt Brothers back in the 80s.
IF silver unwinds, it will be spectacular. But silver seems to be the scam that never ends. lol!
Buy silver if you like silver. :)
You already know, recognized coins will cost more, but they'll be easier to resale or spend. And you WILL get a little more for them. Don't buy anything under a ounce. The premiums over spot are too high. (Gold is sold in 1/10 ounce coins, and it's a terrible value to weight ratio!) Don't buy anything colorized, special edition, or first strike.
Bars are fine if you don't see yourself needing to use them as money or wanting to sell them quickly. Imagine what YOU would accept in a trade. Choose a brand people know, like APMEX.
I've bought and sold coins since I was a kid. If you buy coins you personally like, and you hold them for a few years you won't lose. PMs are a hedge against inflation. Just don't believe anyone who says silver is finally going to unwind and make you a millionaire. Only God knows when it will happen.
Thank you for your insight. I decided last night to buy some 1oz bars to hold on to them for a while. If the silver market stays stagnant I'll just end up passing them on to my son's when they grow up.
Listen to Dave Ramsey, build up a bit of savings, then come back and get investment advice.
I have about 2% of my total investments in silver and that is a lot more than most people. Apmex and PSLV and the coin shop are the best way to get it IMO.
Silver is in tremendous demand by high tech it is used in electric cars, solar panels, satellites and there's evidence the price has been manipulated keeping it low for decades. When I can't find real silver at precious metal websites like JM Bullion, I purchase shares of PSLV it is a Silver Trust and the price just dropped to under $10 per share. Each share I think is based on 0.36 oz of silver so each share is about 1/3 of an ounce. With the government printing stimulus money like there will be no consequences doesn't make sense..... I believe there will be a huge move to precious metals and silver appears to be essential to booming technologies. Just my opinion but I'm stacking real silver when possible and grabbing PSLV shares.
I wanted to express my gratitude to all of you who took the time and explained how silver works, your insights, and recommendations. God speed to everyone of you Patriots.
Buy shiny, in your hand, physical silver. Buy it all and buy it now.
If we win this war the price of silver will almost certainly adjust to its real value. Its real value is about 1/10 of gold, which puts the lower limit at about $200/oz for silver.
However, gold is also suppressed, maybe by a factor of five or more. That would put the real value of silver at upwards of $1000/oz. There is no better investment than silver at this time if you consider its potential, and the potential losses if it doesn't adjust to its real value. In that case (the worst case scenario) the value will remain about the same and you lose nothing.
The debt clock has it at nearly $5K/oz.
https://usdebtclock.org/
Yes, but that's based on a false value. The debt clock is meaningless because debt is created purely as a control mechanism. It doesn't properly measure the market value of goods.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but you could be low. The clock shows the disparity. Meaning, if we return to a gold/silver backed currency (which we will when the ga happens), silver will probably be worth as you stated; $1K-$2K/oz or more.
I have no idea what the market adjustment will be, i.e. what the real buying power of 1oz of any PM will be. I am just saying (in response to you specifically) that the debt value is mostly meaningless. What I am sure of, is its buying power will be a whole lot more than it is now.
My best guess would be that a new currency paper (with a crypto component - blockchain = yes) will be introduced as gold/silver backed. There will be a window where regular notes get pulled from the system and replaced with the new. However, what value will be determined for said currency? This is where gold and silver could really see their day.
I also think we will get a new currency that is PM backed crypto. I don't know if there will be a need for a paper component. Crypto has all that is necessary for a full currency, including complete privacy of transactions and no tracking (even better than paper) if it is designed that way.
I don't know how much it will be worth when the dust settles. How much real buying power does 1oz of Ag have e.g.? It depends on how much there is in total (it will almost certainly become the standard not just in America, but across the planet), and how in demand it is for tech. Currently tech demand is very high, but there may be new hidden technologies that decrease (or increase?) its tech value. It's really impossible to say.
I'd say the most important factor is that all PMs are a limited resource. Someday they will become less limited when we start off-planet mining, but they are still ultimately limited and there is a substantial energy and resource expenditure for such mining.
Paper is still important. What happens when the power goes out, like recently half of the midwest?
But yes, a NEW horizon is upon us. Gold/Silver is REAL $$. I hope we get back to that standard and having a crypto option would be great.
This could be the biggest thing for the lower class in a hundred years.
Bought a few 1 oz. Bars.
The problem with gold is that we have no idea how much of it the Cabal has salted away over the centuries. If it's a lot, then they've been hoarding it to keep it scarce.
Notice that the price of gold has been steadily dropping recently, almost as if someone had just come into possession of an enormous pile of it, and was steadily divesting.
I don't think this matters in the slightest. The most likely scenario is that it will be distributed among the population, either at once or over time. Will that cause inflation? Maybe, but it will be a temporary adjustment.
The variance has been a few percent. This is likely due to one of two things.
Which one is true depends on who is in control.
Who owns most of the gold? The Cabal.
If you wanted to hurt the Cabal, and you had just pinched a fat hunk of their hoard, what you do, short of nuking Fort Knox?
Realize that the whole reason why fiat exists in the first place is because the Cabal hoards gold for centuries until economies (that they initially set up) based on it suffered crushing depressions. Then, after fiat is established for several generations, and the last people alive in the 1870s are gone, control-opposition figures will begin touting "Gold standard!" again while every site is stuffed with precious metals ads -- because there's fucking mountains of the stuff off the official books that you don't know about. De facto "fiat gold" --Wouldn't that be a lovely racket to control?
Your entire supposition seems to depend on who is playing the best game of chess. Do you honestly think the Patriots haven't thought about the Cabal gold stores? Do you think they haven't attacked those stores? Do you honestly think the Patriots will lose because they forgot to look under the mattress (or deep under the ground)?
Everyone knows the winner will be the side that controls the gold. THAT is the war. I am going to assume others realize that. My arguments are based on that. They are based on that because if the Patriots don't take care of the gold issue we lose the planet to the Luciferians for all time. I just don't think anyone is that stupid.
I think that military isn't telling us jack-shit right now, and for good reason.
"Everyone knows the winner will be the side that controls the gold."
The total value of all the gold in the world is less than ten trillion dollars. It's really not important anymore, because you can't make anything with it. But they sure will sell you on the idea.
It'll never become a purely industrial metal because it's pretty, but its days of being a primary store of wealth have long since been superseded by shares in land, energy, and processing power.
Gold is not a good basis for a currency. 1. It has very little practical use and so does not reflect actual wealth of a society, 2.its ownership is narrowly distributed amongst the already rich and powerful, it is a very limited supply and so vulnerable to monopolization and price manipulation.
Our currency is best backed by wheat, which remedies all the above.
i have been and continue to buy as mush PHYSICAL as i can afford. NOT SLV or PSLV...I want to be able to put my hands on my investment. Buy physical silver and take delivery of it....at that point you have full control. Stack em high!!!
PRICE.
What PRICE?
You mean, fiat currency? That may very well be. However, the battle right now is $/€ and it's effects on silver price. You will find some very interesting correlations there.
When it comes to exchange for goods and services, the PRICE may be way different. I'd dare say, you first would have to find someone to even take a silver or gold coin. The value for value thinking in the case of Silver and gold coins has been evaporated.
What you are actually alluding to, is when there is not possibility of using any other means, fiat currency or digital currency, Gold and Silver coins may proof to be a good alternative.
In such a scenario, you then may be well off. By the same token, a piece of land with it's own water source, may even be a better store of value. It depends on the scenario.
The above is no argument against gold or silver coin. Far from it, it is to indicate what risk is actually to be hedged.
I have been buying silver since 2008. If you purchase one ounce a week, you won’t break your budget. Over time, you will accumulate. But if you buy a bunch now, you will be paying a higher fee over current price due to demand, which means you are already overpaying. The price will always fluctuate. It has NEVER followed any prediction, or correlation to inflation, QE, supply and demand, price of oil, stock market....so take my advice, go to your local coin shop and buy once ounce per week, treat it like a lottery ticket, because it is.
That may be good advice for normal times, but you'll only have a few ounces by the time SHTF now.
And when SHTF, gov will pass a law confiscating all gold and silver from us little guys, like they did when Roosevelt was pres, you won’t be able to publicly use it.
Depends on how old you are and how much risk you're willing to take.
I wouldn't expect to make a fortune off of silver, but it's better than keeping dollars in your bank account.
In general: The younger you are, the more stocks (or BTC) you should get.
The older you are (or the more capital you have) the more attractive PMs become and other risk-averse assets become.
These are the old rules. The world is very likely about to change drastically. I would bet (and have) any amount of money that we are about to go back on a precious metals standard. That will put PM at their real value instead of the Luciferian adjusted/market manipulated values.
No, those are not the old rules and nothing changed.
Cash/fiat: Depreciates because it's toilet paper
PMs/Large funds: Appreciate, slowly
Stocks/BTC: Risk of default but massive appreciation
The younger you are the more risk you can take. Never keep more cash than necessary for expenses and emergencies.
You are welcome to believe what you wish. Those rules exist purely because of how the markets have been manipulated for the past 150 years. The largest manipulation has been in Ag/Au.
Look at the Ag/Au ratio over the past 5000 years. It remained perfectly stable until the early 1870's (around the time of the Act of 1871) when the Luciferians took over D.C.. It became much worse after 1913 when the Luciferians created the Fed and took over our currency completely. After 1933, and all the economic changes they put in after their forced market crash in 1929 the Ag/Au ratio really took off. It has been between 1:50 and 1:100 ever since.
Silver is MASSIVELY undervalued. If we win, that manipulation will end and silver will rebalance. But it isn't just silver that's been manipulated. They have also manipulated Ag to suppress the inflation that their money printing would have otherwise forced to increase.
Trust me or don't, but I promise, if we win, Ag will go to its market value (at least 1/10 of whatever Au adjusts to).
"gold and silver are an incredible investment right now"
Commodities are not "investments" at all, at any time, because investments offer a rate of return. I.e., you don't "invest" in a silver dollar in expectation of waking up to 1.04 silver dollars.
What they are, are stores of value (i.e., inflation hedges, and, in the case of PMs, portable wealth AKA "money").
Pedantic given the vernacular, nevertheless your definition is more accurate.
Words mean things.
You will get no argument from me on that.
It is "valued" exactly as the market is willing to pay for it.
Claiming it's "undervalued" simply tells me that the claimant is speculating "long" in whatever the claim is being made of. I.e., he's "talking his book", as the expression goes. If you don't understand this (or worse, deny it), then you're the person at the poker table who doesn't know who the "mark" is.
If you don’t understand what the great awakening is yet, you don’t realize the the end of the FED is a forgone conclusion. Fiat dollar is dead, and we will most likely return to a gold/silver backed currency.
Check the us debt clock silver to dollar ratio.
https://usdebtclock.org/
If, as is commonly claimed in these forums, the Fed has been absorbed into the Treasury, then it's already a done-deal. And yet, the dollar hasn't blown up, and PMs have been slowly declining from their spikes of several months ago.
If you think Trump-slash-Qteam are good guys, then why do you assume that they would let Americans' saving-accounts blow into utter worthlessness?
That's what bad guys would do.
Here's my guess as to what the good guys will do: there will be a new issue of the dollar (blockchain-based to thwart counterfeiting), which will gradually replace existing notes. Chinese stockpiles of counterfeit Franklins will become worthless.
Trump loves the dollar -- remember that. He also named his son after a character in a book written by a 19th century author, so I wouldn't put it past him to understand how the Cabal enslaves commerce with its money (whether gold, silver, or fiat).
I agree completely. My best guess would be that a new currency paper (with a crypto component - blockchain = yes) will be introduced as gold/silver backed. There will be a window where regular notes get pulled from the system and replaced with the new. However, what value will be determined for said currency? This is where gold and silver could really see their day.
It depends how much hidden Cabal metal is released. If the amount is x5 currently listed, the per-ounce value is going to take a hit.
Good point. But GEOTUS still may be ahead of the curve. Lots of scuttlebutt online recently about gold being retaken from the vatican and rotten US Corp.
Howdy Blessedtrucker2011
Here's the basics:
Silver is HIGHLY manipulated. People know what it should be valued at based on price of big sister gold and the demand for physical silver. The problem is market manipulators have over sold silver x500 or more and are able to buy and sell "paper" silver as they need to keep the price suppressed. The Fed uses bullion banks as its agents to put on naked silver shorts on Comex to drive down the price. It enables banks to repurchase silver at lower prices.
Silver is back in the news because of Reddit's recent GME's raid. It raised the question, could silver manipulation be broken?! This isn't the first time investors have attempted to free silver from it's captors. Many investors with deep pockets have tried and failed. Silver wiped out the billionaire Hunt Brothers back in the 80s.
IF silver unwinds, it will be spectacular. But silver seems to be the scam that never ends. lol!
Buy silver if you like silver. :)
You already know, recognized coins will cost more, but they'll be easier to resale or spend. And you WILL get a little more for them. Don't buy anything under a ounce. The premiums over spot are too high. (Gold is sold in 1/10 ounce coins, and it's a terrible value to weight ratio!) Don't buy anything colorized, special edition, or first strike.
Bars are fine if you don't see yourself needing to use them as money or wanting to sell them quickly. Imagine what YOU would accept in a trade. Choose a brand people know, like APMEX.
I've bought and sold coins since I was a kid. If you buy coins you personally like, and you hold them for a few years you won't lose. PMs are a hedge against inflation. Just don't believe anyone who says silver is finally going to unwind and make you a millionaire. Only God knows when it will happen.
Thank you for your insight. I decided last night to buy some 1oz bars to hold on to them for a while. If the silver market stays stagnant I'll just end up passing them on to my son's when they grow up.
That last sentence right there says you totally understand the silver market.
Listen to Dave Ramsey, build up a bit of savings, then come back and get investment advice.
I have about 2% of my total investments in silver and that is a lot more than most people. Apmex and PSLV and the coin shop are the best way to get it IMO.
Silver is in tremendous demand by high tech it is used in electric cars, solar panels, satellites and there's evidence the price has been manipulated keeping it low for decades. When I can't find real silver at precious metal websites like JM Bullion, I purchase shares of PSLV it is a Silver Trust and the price just dropped to under $10 per share. Each share I think is based on 0.36 oz of silver so each share is about 1/3 of an ounce. With the government printing stimulus money like there will be no consequences doesn't make sense..... I believe there will be a huge move to precious metals and silver appears to be essential to booming technologies. Just my opinion but I'm stacking real silver when possible and grabbing PSLV shares.
A LOT of people are doing exactly this.
I wanted to express my gratitude to all of you who took the time and explained how silver works, your insights, and recommendations. God speed to everyone of you Patriots.