It does not contain aborted fetal cells. This is the exact same thing as the "OMG COKE CONTAINS ABORTED FETAL CELLS" rubbish.
In the testing, they use lab created replicated human fetal cell lines. It's an "immortal" cell, that is replicated - the one used in the vaccines is PER.C6. It's from yes - an aborted or miscarried fetus from... 1985 - a collection of cells from a 36-year-long dead fetus.
They replicate the cell-line. The original cells collected act as a blue print for the cell lines in current use.
That absolutely does not mean that the vaccine CONTAINS aborted fetal cells. The cell LINE was used in testing. In a lab setting.
Maybe you object to the fact that a baby died in 1985 or that it was maybe aborted - though no one knows why it was aborted, it was likely a medical reason in 1985 - but the vaccine does.not.contain.aborted.fetal.cells.
The J&J one is an AD26 vector-based vaccine. It has a much safer profile than mRNA ones. mRNA is untested. That is why the J&J one is being slandered so much. There's much to malign with vaccines, however if you want one to be prolific and safely in the community, the J&J one is the best, hands down.
Turn your anger and research towards mRNA vaccines.
They do contain Human DNA from aborted babies that have been rendered immortal, which is why the cell line is listed in the ingredients in the insert, and they have used many more than just two willingly aborted fetuses in the research of vaccines, and there's other cell lines which contain said aborted babies. Go get your cocktail. Vaccines also contain pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brains, dog kidneys, cow hearts, and so forth. Read an insert, or go ahead and find another study that glorifies vaccines.
There are no cells on the listed ingredients for any of the coronavirus vaccines.
Indeed, there are no cells, blood, kidneys, hearts or or any animal DNA or anything remotely close listed as ingredients in any of the coronavirus vaccines. There is also no reason to believe that any of those ingredients are in there and NOT listed. There is no evidence whatsoever to support any of these ideas or beliefs.
Please do independent research before spreading disinformation. Just because its bad, doesn't mean every fear mongering thing ever said about it is true.
They actually don't but whatever, keep making this autistic argument. It just makes anti-vaxxers look retarded. I hate vaccines, there are SO many better arguments but this lame "muh religious distaste for abortions" one is the absolute worst one. It's circular and quacks like Deisher make the movement look like dunces.
Still fetal cells. Of course it is replicated. How else do you get millions of cells for a line. A child was aborted. The timing of when the children were aborted matters not.
Using anything with at its origin, products from abortion is morally wrong. It is reprehensible. Made worse that you attempt to defend it.
You know. That makes you (if you knowingly and willfully) guilty.
You overlook infanticide in the Bible. Was around looong before modern abortions appeared. See Canaanite baby sacrifice, the events surrounding Moses' birth, the events surrounding Jesus's birth, etc...Also see Levitical protection of the unborn.
"it's funny that Christians put their own morality onto what "God" said."
You, ironically, fall victim to the very thing you accuse others of doing.
"A life being immortalized as a cell line is turning misfortune into fortune. It's the epitome of preciousness."
This is evil logic. "Lets kill this innocent life here in order to save this life over here." Yeah makes sense.
The "bible" was molested by a bunch of Jews to become something it wasn't.
It was used as a social control device. It wasn't the true word of God. It was the word of people who sought to control society, who interpreted what they felt was the word of God.
Modern people have taken God from a loving creator and turned him into a judgmental, spiteful Sky Daddy who they pray to to solve their problems for them. Like some kinda Genie.
He's the energy of creation and the love and acceptance of nature in all its forms, good and bad.
See, there you are, being judgmental and expecting to use the words of God to back you up.
Thank you. Great explanation of omnipotent stem cell line utilization.
This is actual common useage and science and technology.
Misunderstanding finer points allows all other arguments we have to be dismissed and ridiculed. It’s fine to debate stem cell research purely...but to conflate that argument with the covid injectables makes for a weak argument. We must be a crucible for strong arguments to go forth in the fray.
Yeah, like people can be anti-stem cell, but I think the most precious gift from "god" or a life or whatever you wish to call it, IS saving the lives of others.
You know... sorta what SkyDaddy did with his only son.
Not that we should go out and abort at will, but if it has to be done, then make the best of it. Don't let it be in vain etc.
People miss the messaging because they're so hyper-focused on X BAD, Y BAD, Z Immoral.
published on PubMed that has the Conslusion stated as: Vaccines manufactured in human fetal cell lines contain unacceptably high levels of fetal DNA fragment contaminants. It is not secret.
Theresa A Deisher. Ms Deisher isn't exactly a good source. She has an agenda to push and she's never backed up her research.
Again, it's not how the vaccines are manufactured. As much as I dislike vaccines, you're just plain incorrect on this and people like Desisher and those who parrot her BS make the anti-vax movement look like drooling retards because they are trying so hard to confirm their bias they end up tying themselves in knots.
Instead of continuing to call the Anti-Vax crowd "drooling retards," why don't you present the good arguments for not getting vaxxed that you say are so lacking from this said crowd? We've got our eye on you...your language is very telling.
No.
See, you misconstrued what I said - I said that idiots who don't absorb facts and just regurgitate non-sense make the MOVEMENT look like drooling retards.
I'm very pro-anti-vax. I just do not like when people get their facts twisted. It makes everyone else look as stupid as they are.
Maybe brush up on that comprehension there, before you insult next time.
He/she does not even have a foundation in philosophy of any kind. As he/she is devoid of anything to ground him/her, they lack any sort of moral compass.
We have previously shown that vaccines based on transgenes that are delivered by recombinant replication-incompetent adenovirus type 26 vectors (Ad26) have an acceptable safety profile in humans and are able to induce neutralizing and binding antibodies, CD4 and CD8 T cell responses and a Th1-biased immune response in animals and humans22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33. Furthermore, the availability of industrialized and scalable manufacturing processes makes this an attractive platform for vaccine development.
To see the referenced studies for yourself.
I am not pro-vaccine or pro-covid vaccine, but the sheer stupidity on here when it comes to interpreting data and molesting it to become a confirmation bias fuckfest is embarrassing.
The mRNA carrier vaccines are not safe. If the MSM and assholes alike are pushing mRNAs then they are probably not that much of a good idea.
Thank you very much for the reference. I will read the paper. There appear to be some relevant pre-2020 references in there as well, which I consider to be a very good thing.
but the sheer stupidity on here when it comes to interpreting data and molesting it to become a confirmation bias fuckfest is embarrassing.
I couldn't agree more. I feel like I'm playing Whack O' Mole most of the time. Your efforts are very much appreciated.
If the MSM and assholes alike are pushing mRNAs then they are probably not that much of a good idea.
I do not think this is a good input metric for decision making. This to me is little better than listening to them in earnest. They are just two different ways of handing over critical thinking to known liars.
In regards to your last point - have a look at the Atlantic's gloat article on J&J. It's enough to make your stomach turn. This is the narrative they're going with, for whatever reason.
I suspect that reason is $. AD26 is "cheaper" to make because they have the facilities en masse. mRNA is something they can charge a premium for.
If people like the Atlantic are gloatpushing it, its usually because $ has exchanged hands.
I don't like Pfizer's extremely aggressive practices when it comes to suppressing studies and influencing. They've spent a lot of money influencing a lot of other markets, suppressing studies and buying journalists/influencers - at great cost to not only customers, but science itself. Not only that, they've used $ and influence to cover up issues with their products - issues resulting in injury and death.
It's not a scientific metric to judge them on, no, but it's a a very reliable observational/psychological one. Behavior you get away with, is behavior you repeat.
It does not contain aborted fetal cells. This is the exact same thing as the "OMG COKE CONTAINS ABORTED FETAL CELLS" rubbish.
In the testing, they use lab created replicated human fetal cell lines. It's an "immortal" cell, that is replicated - the one used in the vaccines is PER.C6. It's from yes - an aborted or miscarried fetus from... 1985 - a collection of cells from a 36-year-long dead fetus.
They replicate the cell-line. The original cells collected act as a blue print for the cell lines in current use.
That absolutely does not mean that the vaccine CONTAINS aborted fetal cells. The cell LINE was used in testing. In a lab setting.
Maybe you object to the fact that a baby died in 1985 or that it was maybe aborted - though no one knows why it was aborted, it was likely a medical reason in 1985 - but the vaccine does.not.contain.aborted.fetal.cells.
The J&J one is an AD26 vector-based vaccine. It has a much safer profile than mRNA ones. mRNA is untested. That is why the J&J one is being slandered so much. There's much to malign with vaccines, however if you want one to be prolific and safely in the community, the J&J one is the best, hands down.
Turn your anger and research towards mRNA vaccines.
They do contain Human DNA from aborted babies that have been rendered immortal, which is why the cell line is listed in the ingredients in the insert, and they have used many more than just two willingly aborted fetuses in the research of vaccines, and there's other cell lines which contain said aborted babies. Go get your cocktail. Vaccines also contain pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brains, dog kidneys, cow hearts, and so forth. Read an insert, or go ahead and find another study that glorifies vaccines.
There are no cells on the listed ingredients for any of the coronavirus vaccines.
Indeed, there are no cells, blood, kidneys, hearts or or any animal DNA or anything remotely close listed as ingredients in any of the coronavirus vaccines. There is also no reason to believe that any of those ingredients are in there and NOT listed. There is no evidence whatsoever to support any of these ideas or beliefs.
Please do independent research before spreading disinformation. Just because its bad, doesn't mean every fear mongering thing ever said about it is true.
Ok
No.
They actually don't but whatever, keep making this autistic argument. It just makes anti-vaxxers look retarded. I hate vaccines, there are SO many better arguments but this lame "muh religious distaste for abortions" one is the absolute worst one. It's circular and quacks like Deisher make the movement look like dunces.
Still fetal cells. Of course it is replicated. How else do you get millions of cells for a line. A child was aborted. The timing of when the children were aborted matters not.
Using anything with at its origin, products from abortion is morally wrong. It is reprehensible. Made worse that you attempt to defend it.
You know. That makes you (if you knowingly and willfully) guilty.
Most importantly, God knows.
You overlook infanticide in the Bible. Was around looong before modern abortions appeared. See Canaanite baby sacrifice, the events surrounding Moses' birth, the events surrounding Jesus's birth, etc...Also see Levitical protection of the unborn.
"it's funny that Christians put their own morality onto what "God" said."
You, ironically, fall victim to the very thing you accuse others of doing.
"A life being immortalized as a cell line is turning misfortune into fortune. It's the epitome of preciousness."
This is evil logic. "Lets kill this innocent life here in order to save this life over here." Yeah makes sense.
I don't care about the bible.
The "bible" was molested by a bunch of Jews to become something it wasn't. It was used as a social control device. It wasn't the true word of God. It was the word of people who sought to control society, who interpreted what they felt was the word of God.
Modern people have taken God from a loving creator and turned him into a judgmental, spiteful Sky Daddy who they pray to to solve their problems for them. Like some kinda Genie.
He's the energy of creation and the love and acceptance of nature in all its forms, good and bad.
See, there you are, being judgmental and expecting to use the words of God to back you up.
You are too dim-witted to continue any sort of dialogue.
Thank you. Great explanation of omnipotent stem cell line utilization.
This is actual common useage and science and technology.
Misunderstanding finer points allows all other arguments we have to be dismissed and ridiculed. It’s fine to debate stem cell research purely...but to conflate that argument with the covid injectables makes for a weak argument. We must be a crucible for strong arguments to go forth in the fray.
Yeah, like people can be anti-stem cell, but I think the most precious gift from "god" or a life or whatever you wish to call it, IS saving the lives of others.
You know... sorta what SkyDaddy did with his only son.
Not that we should go out and abort at will, but if it has to be done, then make the best of it. Don't let it be in vain etc.
People miss the messaging because they're so hyper-focused on X BAD, Y BAD, Z Immoral.
"SkyDaddy"
There you are, you little New Atheist you. You also call Yahweh the Flying Spaghetti Monster too? You wear a colander on your head too?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26103708
published on PubMed that has the Conslusion stated as: Vaccines manufactured in human fetal cell lines contain unacceptably high levels of fetal DNA fragment contaminants. It is not secret.
Ah...
Theresa A Deisher. Ms Deisher isn't exactly a good source. She has an agenda to push and she's never backed up her research.
Again, it's not how the vaccines are manufactured. As much as I dislike vaccines, you're just plain incorrect on this and people like Desisher and those who parrot her BS make the anti-vax movement look like drooling retards because they are trying so hard to confirm their bias they end up tying themselves in knots.
Instead of continuing to call the Anti-Vax crowd "drooling retards," why don't you present the good arguments for not getting vaxxed that you say are so lacking from this said crowd? We've got our eye on you...your language is very telling.
No. See, you misconstrued what I said - I said that idiots who don't absorb facts and just regurgitate non-sense make the MOVEMENT look like drooling retards.
I'm very pro-anti-vax. I just do not like when people get their facts twisted. It makes everyone else look as stupid as they are.
Maybe brush up on that comprehension there, before you insult next time.
1Markseeker --
u/sukebandeka think he/she is an intellectual.
He/she does not even have a foundation in philosophy of any kind. As he/she is devoid of anything to ground him/her, they lack any sort of moral compass.
Clearly he/she are intentional time wasters.
My opinion, of course.
Can you provide evidence that the adenovirus vaccines have a safer profile? All I have seen is just less data.
Compared to mRNA vaccines, they have a safer profile and a proven track record.
There will always be outliers, but most testing cohorts have demonstrated that AD vaccines are acceptable.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-020-00243-x - scroll down to :
We have previously shown that vaccines based on transgenes that are delivered by recombinant replication-incompetent adenovirus type 26 vectors (Ad26) have an acceptable safety profile in humans and are able to induce neutralizing and binding antibodies, CD4 and CD8 T cell responses and a Th1-biased immune response in animals and humans22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33. Furthermore, the availability of industrialized and scalable manufacturing processes makes this an attractive platform for vaccine development.
To see the referenced studies for yourself.
I am not pro-vaccine or pro-covid vaccine, but the sheer stupidity on here when it comes to interpreting data and molesting it to become a confirmation bias fuckfest is embarrassing.
The mRNA carrier vaccines are not safe. If the MSM and assholes alike are pushing mRNAs then they are probably not that much of a good idea.
Thank you very much for the reference. I will read the paper. There appear to be some relevant pre-2020 references in there as well, which I consider to be a very good thing.
I couldn't agree more. I feel like I'm playing Whack O' Mole most of the time. Your efforts are very much appreciated.
I do not think this is a good input metric for decision making. This to me is little better than listening to them in earnest. They are just two different ways of handing over critical thinking to known liars.
In regards to your last point - have a look at the Atlantic's gloat article on J&J. It's enough to make your stomach turn. This is the narrative they're going with, for whatever reason.
I suspect that reason is $. AD26 is "cheaper" to make because they have the facilities en masse. mRNA is something they can charge a premium for. If people like the Atlantic are gloatpushing it, its usually because $ has exchanged hands.
I don't like Pfizer's extremely aggressive practices when it comes to suppressing studies and influencing. They've spent a lot of money influencing a lot of other markets, suppressing studies and buying journalists/influencers - at great cost to not only customers, but science itself. Not only that, they've used $ and influence to cover up issues with their products - issues resulting in injury and death.
It's not a scientific metric to judge them on, no, but it's a a very reliable observational/psychological one. Behavior you get away with, is behavior you repeat.