He was alive when he arrived at the hospital...so. that is, if you believe the entire story presented in the courtroom. I still think the entire thing was staged and fake.
Most folks that get caught sitting in their SUV with their dealer will try to get rid of the evidence ASAP. In that case, a lot of people will just quickly ingest whatever they just bought (whereas normally, they ration their drugs to spread out the high). And we know George was on probation and looking at jail time. So he likely consumed all of his narcotics right then.
The woman with him said he was somnolent and half-passed out. That's what happens when a narcotic first hits your system.
He was saying "I can't breathe" as seen on body cam while sitting in his own SUV when the cops arrived. That's one of the signs of fentanyl affecting someone who is not accustomed to that dose.
When they got in him the squad car, he started being restless, claustrophobic, and agitated. He was still saying "I can't breathe." I believe this was about the time Chauvin drove up.
Respiratory suppression is the major side effect of fentanyl and the most contributory cause of death in an OD. The person usually feels the lack of oxygen and it causes a panicked response in the beginning. Narcan could have saved him at this point.
A knee on the neck in a case where the head and neck are turned to the side will compress the lateral vasculature (with a side-to-side pressure) and make a person pass out when blood to the brain is compromised. In this position, the trachea isn't nearly as compressed as the vessels.
Death by strangulation/asphyxiation usually involved fracture of the hyoid bone resulting from a front-to-back pressure. I believe the autopsy didn't show this.
As blood the the brain is compromised, the heart compensates by increase rate and blood pressure. I believe the autopsy reported one coronary artery was 70% blocked and another was 90% blocked. This scenario can certainly caused cardiopulmonary compromise.
This compromise when combined with respiratory suppression from fentanyl ingestion would be lethal.
I think the slides the prosecutor's expert witness showed to the jury was the ratio of Fentanyl to Norfentanyl. This was just a convenient massage of the numbers to indicate he was in normal range. It seems like they probably analyzed the numbers in every which way until they found something in the normal range. But, Really this shows absolutely nothing. The total fentanyl in blood is the best and most common way to diagnose an OD.
In my medical opinion, Chauvin made the mistake of not recognizing a medical emergency and calling EMS in time to administer Narcan. However, since he arrived on the scene late, I doubt he knew much about what transpired before he arrived.
I think the medical experts for the defense could have done a much better job.
Fentanyl is a respiratory depressant. It kills you by stopping your breathing.
More than likely with the stress of the moron cops knee on his back/neck, cardiomegaly (enlarged heart), adrenaline of the situation, his heart gave out.
Compromised heart function = compromised oxygen exchange/air hunger.
Someone ODing would slip into a coma and stop breathing.
That physician needs his/her license revoke and head examined. Floyd had x3 the LETAL DOSE when he died. There could have been a pillow on his neck and he would have still expired. Fentanyl does one thing really great, stop your respiratory drive. ie your brain stops thinking it needs to tell your lungs to expand and take a breath. Can you build a tolerance sure but if you were to jump from "get high dose" to 3x anything there is not a tolerance to be made there. You make a corpse that is all. Coming from a practicing physician.
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a good image regarding this. He sites pubmed (embedded in the image). Pubmed is a site you can find medical journals so I would believe this over any other website out there.
I agree with you. Floyd had overdosed on drugs and the commotion of being arrested and increased the strain on his heart, leading to a heart attack. FNP
If you read the autopsy it lists many other drugs besides fentanyl, such as meth amphetamine, alcohol, marijuana and more. The guy was strung out on illegal substances and out of control. Ofcr Chauvin's knee was actually on his shoulder blade. They showed the video from different perspectives and it was pretty clear, the knee was not on the front of his neck as charged.
Fortunately I have a good one who does
He was alive when he arrived at the hospital...so. that is, if you believe the entire story presented in the courtroom. I still think the entire thing was staged and fake.
Plus the videos of the PO show the knee on the shoulder blade—not the neck.
Yep
It’s fake AF which is why I don’t get the hubbub about Chauvin being convicted. Fuck him
I think the slides the prosecutor's expert witness showed to the jury was the ratio of Fentanyl to Norfentanyl. This was just a convenient massage of the numbers to indicate he was in normal range. It seems like they probably analyzed the numbers in every which way until they found something in the normal range. But, Really this shows absolutely nothing. The total fentanyl in blood is the best and most common way to diagnose an OD.
In my medical opinion, Chauvin made the mistake of not recognizing a medical emergency and calling EMS in time to administer Narcan. However, since he arrived on the scene late, I doubt he knew much about what transpired before he arrived.
I think the medical experts for the defense could have done a much better job.
Fentanyl is a respiratory depressant. It kills you by stopping your breathing.
More than likely with the stress of the moron cops knee on his back/neck, cardiomegaly (enlarged heart), adrenaline of the situation, his heart gave out.
Compromised heart function = compromised oxygen exchange/air hunger.
Someone ODing would slip into a coma and stop breathing.
There is severe respiratory distress, it's not a restful 'slip.'
That physician needs his/her license revoke and head examined. Floyd had x3 the LETAL DOSE when he died. There could have been a pillow on his neck and he would have still expired. Fentanyl does one thing really great, stop your respiratory drive. ie your brain stops thinking it needs to tell your lungs to expand and take a breath. Can you build a tolerance sure but if you were to jump from "get high dose" to 3x anything there is not a tolerance to be made there. You make a corpse that is all. Coming from a practicing physician.
Incorrect about the overdose limit. "The typical overdose level for fentanyl is 3.1 ng/ml. Floyd's was 11 ng/ml"
I can't copy and paste this image but crowder did had a good image regarding this. He sites pubmed (embedded in the image). Pubmed is a site you can find medical journals so I would believe this over any other website out there.
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I agree with you. Floyd had overdosed on drugs and the commotion of being arrested and increased the strain on his heart, leading to a heart attack. FNP
If you read the autopsy it lists many other drugs besides fentanyl, such as meth amphetamine, alcohol, marijuana and more. The guy was strung out on illegal substances and out of control. Ofcr Chauvin's knee was actually on his shoulder blade. They showed the video from different perspectives and it was pretty clear, the knee was not on the front of his neck as charged.