Big ML fan. Love what he is doing for the patriot movement. But here's what I run into when I share this video with people I'm trying to educate about the fraud: They say "There's no proof. You're just taking his word for it."
I realize that there is all sorts of proof out there, so no need to dump it all here. The real issue is that if ML's videos are at the tip of the spear, then we need to be able to make the normies believe the credibility of the expert guests. We know that the normies and the opposition will dismiss the videos due to cognitive dissonance or simple oppositional defiance,
What can we encourage ML to do to make his evidence transcend himself and his guests... something that would be along the lines of Doubting Thomas having a chance to put his own fingers in the holes in Christ's hands? I fear that the most incredible thing is occurring in our culture: the plethora of information (accurate and disinfo) is leading to confusion and distrust of ALL information unless it comes from a source that is aligned with what you already believe. Do we truly realize the ramifications of this pattern?
Anyway, how can we help ML? What would help his evidence be irrefutable even to the opposition? Thanks for thinking about it.
US military testified under oath they watched the results go to other countries and then get changed.
Is that proof enough?
Dang, I didn’t know that. Is that on video somewhere so I can share it with my fam?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-exclusive-got-col-waldron-confirms-us-copy-election-night-data-traffic-packets-sent-overseas-frankfurt-video/
Thank you! I wasn’t aware that was under oath, so that’s amazing!
I have no doubt you are correct, can you point me to a source for that info to read more about it?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-exclusive-got-col-waldron-confirms-us-copy-election-night-data-traffic-packets-sent-overseas-frankfurt-video/
Definitely for me. But it begs the question: How many people don't trust the military (same as they don't trust the police, nowadays)... not to mention that the Burma situation is making the military look bad (if you keep an eye on the MSM). It's as if all of our "sacred" sources of info--the sources that EVERYONE once upon a time agreed were trustworthy--have been swept up in the tidal wave of information division.
It's pretty hard to defeat actual willful ignorance. Some among us are simply that programmed and lost forever.
then just ask them this. "Do you remember when Trump was winning and then voting counting got paused in 6 states? Who ordered the pause?"
I hadn't thought of that. I will try that. It's a good point... and I'm anticipating their response: Why do you think that that means something was afoot? And I would say, Because vote counting doesn't stop... it's not supposed to. Maybe I'll create a crack in the door.
Or when it happened live on tv and the anchors had to cut away?
sauce?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-exclusive-got-col-waldron-confirms-us-copy-election-night-data-traffic-packets-sent-overseas-frankfurt-video/
We need to start off our discussions with normies about Election fraud with a question:
"IF there was election fraud, what would count as evidence for you?"
Great question. And we know we'd get the deer in the headlights look. We might need to offer a multiple choice answer, with the last answer being "other".
I really don’t think you’re going to be able to convince any more people about the fraud at this point. Those that have seen the fraud will either accept it, reject it as fake or don’t care as long as it got Trump out of office. It’s time to move on from trying to convince anybody else and culminate the plan.
Not gonna lie... I think I'm at this point with you. My post was sort of one last ditch effort to see if I or someone could uncover one more golden nugget of insight.
I think you're right about the legal angle. I wonder, too, if Mike realizes that his presence/charisma moves the ball only so far, and that he needs to hand off (but still be involved) to some graphic artists and storytellers who can drive it home.
I’ve thought the very same thing! In some ways it’s hard to follow his train of thought. Plus he isn’t a practiced speaker. Difficult listening to his voice. This is not mean speak it’s just what it is. I thought Gen. Flynn did a good job of keeping the last video moving and on point. I do have a recommendation. Although I need to research the name first! Thanks for bringing this point forward.
This is fairly simplistic...I am in tech and mostly networking/system integration on a national scale. What was shown in the latest video is pretty damning. I mean the origination (collection point) of the data, basic chain of custody stuff, and knowing how they decode the packets to identify "flipped votes" would be very interesting to someone like me that deals in packet level interactions with software, but to the average person it would be a foreign language all together.
It seems to me they have straight up, undeniable proof of vote flipping via the communication over the networks in a huge number of locations. a simple hand count of votes would identify this 100% unless as votes are switched the communication results in a physical ballot being trucked in the back door all while legitimate ballots are being pulled out. The level of complication with this while managing to keep the actual game secret would be tough to comprehend. Ya, i could make something like this work with the correct planning and group of people....but creating the physical ballots to clean up post the digital interference would take some man power...once that many people get involved, keeping it a secret is just impossible.
Its nice for people to think....people can't understand what the machines are doing...its too hard...but really that isn't true. If you have the packets as transmitted over the network, showing what is in them and the basics of how the software interacts with that particular packet, you have proof...that stands up in court.
Mike had a professional network expert that was clearly not old enough to be out of the work force. If this man got this wrong he will be forever remembered as being unable to perform the most basic of network level investigations. If he has the original, unmolested packets, and he came to the conclusion he did, i expect he is dead on....heck, If you give me the packets, i could have gotten much of the data he did with zero effort. The only part i would need to dig into is the part that identified they were actually flipping votes. That part takes a more detailed view of the contents of the packets...whats in the packet before...what is in the packet after.
Thanks for weighing in as an expert. Very helpful in increasing the validation level for us, and I can use some of your explanation with the people I am arguing with. Your description made me think of some of the high-tech animation of the mRNA vaccine and how it works, and I was just thinking that something like that could be effective at helping the simplest-minded people understand what this evidence really is, how it is easy to assess, how it is truthful, etc. Come on, ML... make something like that!
Thanks for the comments and discussion, everyone. Some promising insights. Hope ML reads this thread : ) Good use of 30 minutes this afternoon. Almost time for a drink!
They wont believe shit until their MSM gods feed it to them....so until that time comes the new believers will only come in drips, no matter how compelling the evidence.
Im mean for fks sake, we had video of watchers being sent home and cleared out under the guise of a broken water pipe that never happened...then hidden ballots being pulled out from under a table and counted multiple times and they still think nothing is wrong.
You're right! That's got to be part of the puzzle. I sure hope it's part of the plan. "Join us tonight with Wolf Blitzer in the Situation Room--or whatever the feck he calls it--for breaking news: The 2020 Election was, indeed, changed by China!"
Off to the side would be the white hats with their weapons pointed at him.
I think this is a very valid question. We need to be hitting every key on the piano to demonstrate the truth to the slow learners..... hands on, visually/graphically, AND with wicked good metaphors that hit them in the gut.
Love me some metaphors.
If encrypted IP addresses with hackers attacking our election in real time on NOV3 proven without a doubt coming from china to flip votes, If they won't believe that, There is no hope. The bad part is politics has turned into rooting for a sports team. Patriots cheated like Xiden but try to talk about that to a Pats fan same thing happens.
Totally agree. What is frustrating to me, though, is that someone can claim, "He made it all up." But that same person won't go spend a bunch of money to hire their own trusted IT expert to run the same test. And we know that the opposition won't even give it air time. So, we're on our own with the truth we know.
100% The strongest enemy in this war is the MSM. You can lead a horse to water, you know the saying, Just like everybody has access to the internet and can look up all the lies that have come from cnn about trump, election. They choose to remain ignorant because the truth does not further or help their agenda in any way. Kinda like we gotta do something about black people being killed by cops while the biggest threat to the younger generation in the black community is black-on-black crime and most of the police shootings are justified and white people are getting killed twice as much but its not shown one bit. The Dems can't show that on MSM because the knowledge would eventually land at their feet when people look around and all the cities with horrible gun violence towards the black community are ran by their party!
Well said.
It was just a little bit deflated. : )
Right ??
But you CAN hold their head under until they drown!
kekkity (that's my version of giggity in this GAW world, for something I like)
Not absolute proof but here's my website http://The2020Elections.us I setup awhile ago...
It helped educate some people
Good stuff! Thanks
Pass it on... BOOM
The most important part of presenting a case is having evidence that an individual can look at for themselves. That is how we all came to be here. Q presented questions, we looked at the evidence ourselves. Simply making a statement is insufficient, and in truth, NO ONE should believe what he says without being able to independently verify the evidence.
I am not a big fan of any video presentation (or written material for that matter) that makes claims but does not provide sources. I mean its fine in conversation, but it will convince no one who is not already mostly convinced.
Anyone who says this clearly did not watch the video. I would ask them why. And if they lie and tell you they did, ask them what portion of the video was opinion based and nothing more than "his word".
I've had this conversation many times. Those who didn't watch it all had stopped after 30 minutes or so. Those who then watched the last 30 minutes at my request (if they weren't willing to watch the full two hours) still came back and said in so many words: "Yeah, I get it... he paid a guy to come on and talk about encryption, yadda yadda, and guess what, I could do that do if I had a boatload of money, and pay my guy to say the opposite script." I shrug and say, "Well, at the very least you have to be curious enough to start digging for the truth yourself, so I hope you do..."
Mike did say this was just the beginning of the dissemination of evidence, which will happen over several weeks. Time will tell if it's enough to wake up the naysayers.
True. And I hope he evolves his delivery style and content to be more convincing. Maybe hire Mike Maloney's crew. I watched his series straight through and then bought a few coins of gold. A week later I was looking at the coins and thinking, "Wow, that guy's good." haha
If Mike Lindell's video's aren't true; then why are the LEFT so adamant about not letting us see the true count. Why do they try to stop every recount and audit the Right wants to see? Ask them if they have an explanation for that?
Excellent point.
And if same-sex couples make me a racist, then so be it. That would make God a racist too since the Bible states Leviticus 20:13 that men sleeping with men and women with women is an Abomination. Amen.
People who say “there is no evidence” have no intention of ever considering an alternate reality than the one they have chosen. It’s a lazy response and demonstrates only that they watch TV and Facebook at the same time.
I wish I could get this message to him but I think he should comb through his next documentary well and challenge anybody who can verifiably prove something wrong in this he will pay a million dollars to. That way people go watch and when nobody is able to claim that million dollars the normies go okay wow nothing we couldn't disprove. Also I think he should start with some different evidence. He included this shorter video on the absolute interference website which I think gives some good context to the movie because it has some more tangible evidence and events. Watch the video at the very bottom of https://lindelltv.com
Excellent idea!! There was a cash prize offered to someone who could isolate the Covid virus. Same model. Cash prize to disproves/debunks what he is laying out as evidence/proof. If there were a way for GAW to sponsor that sort of like a gofundme account, I would contribute $50.