I hate cigarettes and don't think anyone should smoke them... but this is not the role of government. If I want to do something that is damaging to my health like smoking that's my own business.
Are you okay with them banning it just because you don't like it? Because eventually they'll ban something you do like, but others don't.
Or are you okay with it because you think it saves lives? Then why not ban soda and fast food? that kills way more people.
Now I'm just guessing at what your reasoning is, but if I've guessed correctly, then you're basically making the same argument as leftists that say they believe in free speech and that hate speech is not free speech. They're okay with censoring when they agree it should be censored, just like you seem to be okay with banning things as long as you don't like them.
The waters are muddied a little bit when you bring into play second-hand smoke and all that, but I think it's been addressed just fine with designated smoking areas for public spaces, and whatever the owner says for private spaces.
i got all these dislikes but the truth is it’s not you putting your own life at risk. You got secondhand smoke oral cancer, lung cancer, throat cancer. It’s not like Cigarettes do more good than harm. All they do is harm. And not gonna lie I do support the ban on the giant sodas. Not because i’m some tyrant. But the same people who get mad that their 42oz sodas are being banned A) don’t drink 42oz sodas or B) DO drink 42oz sodas and then wonder why healthcare costs so much.
And you bring up smoking spaces. Smoking spaces are for the smokers. Not the smoke. Smoke travels. And smoking areas aren’t age restricted lol. So anyone can just walk through.
Americans were their healthiest before cigarettes. It was marketed as nothing more as a passtime in the 30s and 40s. You dont even see commercials anymore because of how bad they are. And with vaping its getting worse.
Give me all the hate you want but the idea of “We shouldn’t ban x,y, and z because America” is just a closed minded argument with bo thought to it.
Giving people the freedom of choice is the opposite of a close minded argument. You sound like an undercover commie that thinks the government should dictate our life choices.
i can’t believe people here are defending the use of cigarettes in the name of freedom. I’m not talking about guns or beef or oil or even pastic. I’m talking abiut fucking cigarettes. Go tell all those who lose rheir lives because of smoking or all those who lose their jaws or tongues or vocal chords that the lesson they learned is still gonna happen because we don’t wanna give up the freedom to kill ourselves.
This is a targeted ban because menthol is predominately used by smokers of the darker variety. This is sure to sit well amongst them, ya think? Maybe, if cigarettes and cigars are deemed to be so dangerous, maybe Joseph Stolen should administratively ban them altogether. I;m partly saying this sarcastically - the point is, what is next on their agenda?
When you give an inch they take a mile. Thats the reason why freedom of choice is so important. Its their fault that they wanna smoke. But thats their decision. When you allow the government to make the choice your are giving up your rights. Look with COVID. We allowed them the mask mandate and social distancing and now they want even more restrictions. We are all well aware of how dangerous smoking is, but its the freedom of choice to kill yourself, not the government.
Well first of all saying cigarettes only do harm is not true. The people smoking them get enjoyment, pleasure, and relaxation. It creates jobs from field to counter. It's obviously worth it to those that smoke; and obviously not worth it me, and not worth it to you.
I agree with you on a lot of your sentiments but not your solution. You don't force people to make the same decisions you do when it comes to stuff like this, you convince them.
Smoke rises and dissipates, if you're generally staying away from smokers then just regular pollution is worse then what they're putting out. (But I still get it, it's annoying, I don't like them, but still not the role of government)
You don't see commercials for cigarettes anymore because they made it illegal, no other reason.
I don't think I'm the one being close minded here either. I agree with most of what you're saying, you're just ignoring how easily "your solution" can and will be abused by other people
And just to some up I leave you with a quote:
"It’s absolutely scary seeing someone in power trying to tell me what to do." - Xirturn1984
I hate cigarettes and don't think anyone should smoke them... but this is not the role of government. If I want to do something that is damaging to my health like smoking that's my own business.
Are you okay with them banning it just because you don't like it? Because eventually they'll ban something you do like, but others don't.
Or are you okay with it because you think it saves lives? Then why not ban soda and fast food? that kills way more people.
Now I'm just guessing at what your reasoning is, but if I've guessed correctly, then you're basically making the same argument as leftists that say they believe in free speech and that hate speech is not free speech. They're okay with censoring when they agree it should be censored, just like you seem to be okay with banning things as long as you don't like them.
The waters are muddied a little bit when you bring into play second-hand smoke and all that, but I think it's been addressed just fine with designated smoking areas for public spaces, and whatever the owner says for private spaces.
i got all these dislikes but the truth is it’s not you putting your own life at risk. You got secondhand smoke oral cancer, lung cancer, throat cancer. It’s not like Cigarettes do more good than harm. All they do is harm. And not gonna lie I do support the ban on the giant sodas. Not because i’m some tyrant. But the same people who get mad that their 42oz sodas are being banned A) don’t drink 42oz sodas or B) DO drink 42oz sodas and then wonder why healthcare costs so much.
And you bring up smoking spaces. Smoking spaces are for the smokers. Not the smoke. Smoke travels. And smoking areas aren’t age restricted lol. So anyone can just walk through.
Americans were their healthiest before cigarettes. It was marketed as nothing more as a passtime in the 30s and 40s. You dont even see commercials anymore because of how bad they are. And with vaping its getting worse.
Give me all the hate you want but the idea of “We shouldn’t ban x,y, and z because America” is just a closed minded argument with bo thought to it.
Giving people the freedom of choice is the opposite of a close minded argument. You sound like an undercover commie that thinks the government should dictate our life choices.
i can’t believe people here are defending the use of cigarettes in the name of freedom. I’m not talking about guns or beef or oil or even pastic. I’m talking abiut fucking cigarettes. Go tell all those who lose rheir lives because of smoking or all those who lose their jaws or tongues or vocal chords that the lesson they learned is still gonna happen because we don’t wanna give up the freedom to kill ourselves.
This is a targeted ban because menthol is predominately used by smokers of the darker variety. This is sure to sit well amongst them, ya think? Maybe, if cigarettes and cigars are deemed to be so dangerous, maybe Joseph Stolen should administratively ban them altogether. I;m partly saying this sarcastically - the point is, what is next on their agenda?
When you give an inch they take a mile. Thats the reason why freedom of choice is so important. Its their fault that they wanna smoke. But thats their decision. When you allow the government to make the choice your are giving up your rights. Look with COVID. We allowed them the mask mandate and social distancing and now they want even more restrictions. We are all well aware of how dangerous smoking is, but its the freedom of choice to kill yourself, not the government.
Bro... smoking has existed since the dawn of this great country.
Really, it's been around 5000 years before Christ!
I said cigarettes. And I followed it with a fact that it was marketed as a passtime.
Yes, cigarettes too. You're wrong. Rolled (manufactured) cigarettes existed in the 1800s and people rolled their own long before that.
Well first of all saying cigarettes only do harm is not true. The people smoking them get enjoyment, pleasure, and relaxation. It creates jobs from field to counter. It's obviously worth it to those that smoke; and obviously not worth it me, and not worth it to you.
I agree with you on a lot of your sentiments but not your solution. You don't force people to make the same decisions you do when it comes to stuff like this, you convince them.
Smoke rises and dissipates, if you're generally staying away from smokers then just regular pollution is worse then what they're putting out. (But I still get it, it's annoying, I don't like them, but still not the role of government)
You don't see commercials for cigarettes anymore because they made it illegal, no other reason.
I don't think I'm the one being close minded here either. I agree with most of what you're saying, you're just ignoring how easily "your solution" can and will be abused by other people
And just to some up I leave you with a quote:
"It’s absolutely scary seeing someone in power trying to tell me what to do." - Xirturn1984