When you see an informative meme, or someone saying something you don't know to be true....if you then ask for a source without first having tried to find one yourself, you're still a sheep.
If you tried and failed, ask for a source.
If you didn't try at all and ask for a source, you're a sheep. Plain and simple. You're still forming your own mind by the work of another. This weakens you.
Don't beg for sauce like a sheep; hunt down that sauce yourself like a LION.
Asking someone else to do something that you could easily do yourself is a sure sign of being a fag/sheep.
Show your work! Tell us why we should look at your post, how ridiculous is it for someone to actually suggest you can drop anything here and expect everyone to run off to investigate for you. That is not how it works. If you were ever on voat you would at least expect a higher caliber of post background and 2 sources. Sheesh
If I were to say something and you beg for a source, I could fuck you right up by providing one that's 80% truth and 20% lies, especially if the thing I said tends to jive with your beliefs.
You'd likely take a cursory look at my source, see a lot of truth, and then spread it. That 20% lies could be hugely detrimental to your cause.
Due diligence.
I disagree with the OP, but agree with this statement. I absolutely agree with k-mager.
Part of learning how to be both an effective communicator of information AND a discerning reader is analyzing source data for bias, credibility, etc. As you wrote in the OP, research is important. There's no point in an OP that's trying to make a factual point NOT having sources.
To be fair, there are also readers who are easy to spot being lazy. If you're going to ask for a further information than a good OP provides, at least do so with tact. Better yet show how you've made an attempt to find the information yourself, and failed.
Research isn't an easy thing to do, especially with information as disperse and gatekept as it is these days, hence I believe it's critical (and polite) for an OP to show their work, so others can learn how to do the work themselves. I say this as someone who personally struggles with research on the Internet.
Please accept my ramble, just need to point out that all who ask for additional sources are being lazy. It's often a case of not knowing enough about Library Sciences.
I get your frustration though OP. I really do.
WWG1WGA
Anyone that wants to accept anything someone says without any verification is falling into the same trap leftists have by listening to the MSM. Sharing information is good but some things need to be verified individually.
Thank you. By searching for the source yourself, you are finding multiple sources. Not just theirs.
so what you are trying to say is no “dont beg for sauce” but rather “no matter what the sauce always research it fully by yourself”
So we're just supposed to allow people to blow random shit out of their asses without providing a source...
Got it.
No, you are supposed to think independently. You are the only one that is responsible for either confirming or denying any information whatsoever.
To put that on someone else is to not only shirk responsibility, but it opens you up to manipulation.
Not necessarily. I’ll often ask for a source first and then research the source and try to corroborate if possible. Many times there is no source, it’s people just repeating bullshit. Why waste your time researching things you can discredit right off the bat?
Better to search for a source yourself, finding multiple sources to choose from.
If I were a bad actor, I could fuck you up with a source that is 80% correct and 20% wrong, and you'd never know the difference because you used my source, not your own.
You’re talking about two different things, one is asking for a source and another is trusting that source. If you give me a source that is 80% true and 20% bs it’s still on me to analyze it and research that source myself just like it would have been to research the information without knowing your source.
What happened to Patriots is starting to happen here.
Yeah, that's you. How many aren't as intelligent?
How many would read a few things that jive with their beliefs and spread it?
Sure, I agree with you. Like I said people spout crap with zero source most of the time. I just think “don’t trust anything without researching” would be better advice than “don’t ask for a source.”
That being said a sucker is born every minute and I think the best way is for us to debunk the garbage as thoroughly as we can in a reply, when we see it. The reply stays there and will hopefully help others that might have gotten suckered in.
And if you can't, then ask for help.
I'm not saying "don't ask for a source"
I am saying "source it yourself".
Know that I only downvoted you because you downvoted me. An eye for an eye.
I generally agree with what you have to say.
I didn't dienvote anyone, I said my piece and left the thread, you're not that important.
https://greatawakening.win/p/12iNe7R8a0/meme-of-the-year--evidence-that-/
Took me 20 minutes to source 7 points and compile them into a formatted reply.
Would have taken you 10 to just source it yourself.
Yes sir, that's what I figure.
Asking someone else to do something that you could easily do yourself is a sure sign of being a fag/sheep.
That's not how the honus of proof works. C'mon man!
Uh... because it’s faster to do and we are all busy people. Why make everyone play National Treasure for no reason??
Because it only takes 5 minutes out of your life to do.
By asking for a source, you open yourself to manipulation. What if I were to give you a source that is 80% truth and 20% lies?
You'd check the link, see a lot of truth, and then spread it.
Nah , doesnt make sense....I see where you think you are coming from but the logic falls apart.
Yeah? How so?
For one I could find the source on my own...how would I know if it is any more reliable than if OP had given me the source?
I would still have to do a little research
And in any case, if you can find the source yourself then do it.
Quit begging for sources.
If someone says something to you and you ask for their source, they could provide one to you that is 80% truth and 20% lies.
If you were to source it yourself, you'd be more likely to find the truth.
Or maybe I could see their source and use my own judgement as to its validity.
You know using the same judgment that I used when choosing which sources I trusted to begin with.
I don't think I was specific enough in my post.
This is what led to my post: https://greatawakening.win/p/12iNe7R8a0/meme-of-the-year--evidence-that-/
To the OP: No, asswipe. And for good measure, fuck off.
It is the responsibility of the people that create posts to include the source(s) for the post when applicable.
Failure to do so results in the classic "low effort post" that can and should be deported (read the rules on the right sidebar if you are confused by any of this).
Having said that, if you’re bringing new information the the group you should include a source. Not only will it enhance the credibility of your post, but it will save everyone a lot of time.
I agree for sourcing, but I ask for the sources as a comparison, more data, more points to be able to make and to see if the person even has the source to begin with
You are entitled to your own opinions not to your own facts
~ Quote by a famous fly on a Pens
No, I of course was not forced. I just got tired of weak-minded pussies expecting everything to be handed to them.
If I can source shit, so can you.
In such a world, you would source only lies.
I have a question for you in turn.
Hypothetically speaking
You have a 6 ft sphere, indestructible and hollow.
Inside that sphere, you detonate a nuke that the sphere cannot contain.