I haven't heard of any trafficking cases with these types of churches. They're more known for scamming poor people out of their money.
Unfortunately there are many false teachers and false converts in Christianity, but God foresaw these things and gave us specific
written instructions on how to identify them and its as simple as studying your Bible and comparing what they say against it.
Pedophiles are wherever there are children. It was just easier to sue the Catholic Church since it was one large organization that was not part of the government. Not so easy when it is public schools, groups like the Boy Scouts, and the various Protestant Churches. The Catholic Church was a cash cow,
I agree. But I think it is important to learn about Jesus when you are young. You may accept the Bible as worth exploring (as I do) or reject it as a Book of fables (as one of my sisters does) but it is still there in your memory. It's the threshing floor.
I read the Bible almost everyday, I might miss one or two days a month.
I regard its as absolute fact and as God's word.
If you read and study your Bible? Why do you still go to a catholic church? I was attending a Christian church in my town until I noticed that they were teaching false doctrine. They're wealth and prosperity message aligned more with what the TV mega pastors like Joel Osteen and Kenneth Copeland said and not what Jesus taught.
As a Catholic.. I find the practices to be very biblically based. Start with reading the New Testament and compare the fulfillment of God's promise to send the messiah to the other covenant relationships God made with Adam, Abraham, Moses, Noah. God loves his people and has provided ways back to relationship with him. Another misconception to learn about.
The Catholic church is Christian. Established by Jesus when He says upon this rock I shall build my church.
Jesus is the rock not peter. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. Christians do good works because they are saved, not to be saved.
There is more pedo’s in synagogues Boy Scouts, local school system but the devil is after the one true church therefore so is the media so you hear it like it’s a pandemic but if you do the math it’s a very low percentage ......that being said
All pedo’s should hang by their balls and stones regardless of the religion
I don't know. I have family who are clergy and I have known many clergy because of the interaction. Never met a pedophile. I have met many clergy who do good work. Many it's because the percentage of pedophiles is not really that large (it is a large organization) and many never really know about it directly.
Good question! And one that I hope anons could approach from an angle that doesn't involve hating on Catholic patriots - and there are many of them.
I see the Eastern Orthodox faith making big inroads in the USA once the RCC's role in human trafficking, ritual satanism, etc. come to light.
Naturally there will also be an internal movement within the RCC to purge the ranks of the cardinals, bishops, etc. of pedos and white collar criminals. Many current Catholics will remain in the RCC on the premise that they've "purified" it somehow. It's not easy for such a large organization simply vanish overnight. Heck, there's still a rump Enron in existence 20 years after their big scandal.
There has been a clear affinity within the Q movement for Russia and Putin (not in every respect, but in many respects) and part of that has to do with Russia's post-soviet development as a "benevolent Christian theocracy". I think many Q patriots would like to see something similar happen in the USA. The fact that Russian Christianity is the Eastern Orthodox variety is going to make it attractive to Roman Catholics Q patriots who want to leave that church but who have been raised to have reservations about turning Protestant.
We have learned that evil will attack the Church but the teachings of Christ are still TRUTH. The leadership is just like any other human organization some are good and some are not. They will be judged in the end just like all of us when we are face to face with God at the end. They should be fired and excommunicated if they are found guilty of crimes. Just as anyone should.
Really, I don't get your problem with a few traditions in the CC
Beliefs are from the Bible and Tradition...not everything was included in the Bible that was written. The council that met to decide on the books to include in the Bible had to pare down the amount of material that had been written since Jesus was on Earth. Translations were not always accurate. Scholars have spent years going thru original writings to find the oldest examples and make good translations so people today can read them. We have no way of knowing what all Jesus taught. No one was taking notes at the time. Stories were passed along orally until they were eventually written dowm.
Actually we have over 5000 manuscripts from the first century.
You may think I hate you, I don't. I'm trying to show you that your traditions will only lead to eternal death. Please use the critical thought and research skills you've learned from Q and educate yourself on the true Gospel in the Bible. Your salvation depends on it. there is no such thing as purgatory and your family can not buy your way into heaven. Please. This is the biggest red pill you can swallow.
I just hope that you can also see that not all Catholics can be lumped into one category. ... I know we don't buy our way to heaven. We are judged on our lives and how true we remain to God. Salvation comes from Baptism and our belief in Jesus resurrection and a life lived on a path to heaven. I don't assume. I know God is love and I try to live by those principles taught to us thru Jesus. Prayers for you and for everyone on the path to understanding.
It seems to be one of the main points of contention that make it difficult for Protestants on one side and Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodoxy on the other to settle the issue of Purgatory. While I believe in God, I'm agnostic to Christianity.
From the outside, debates like this seem to be impossible to settle satisfactorily because the two sides cannot agree on a common canon to interpret. In other words, the question looms whether a believer is to side with Luther + Calvin on the so called Deuterocanon's place in the bible, or the Roman and Eastern Church.
The very question of how the Bible should be compiled seems to be at stake.
Is purgatory the only difference you see? What about the worship of Mary, the apostles and angels?
Revelation 22:8-9 NKJV
Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. [9] Then he said to me, "See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
No there's certainly other differences --Mary, the Eucharist, etc.. Just going with the one you mention ("the worship of Mary"), the two sides sometimes seem to be speaking past each other. Catholic/Orthodox doctrine holds that one should venerate Mary, but not worship. Protestants perceive it as worship, but Catholics perceive it as veneration.
But the bigger question that looms is: what is our criteria for what counts as scriptural and what is not scriptural?
There doesn't seem to be a simple answer to that sort of question.
the Church is 2000 yrs old. Every 500 yrs it hits rock bottom and new leaders step up to lead the church back to the light.... I'm not worried. its happened before. The orders of nuns and brothers that are dying off and going witchy etc.... they started out as righteous answers to orders before them that had been corrupted.
The Roman catholic church was started by Constantine in 313AD when he legalized Christianity and merged it with romanism and made it the official religion of the empire.
well I believe 2000. and your comment ignores 300 years of persecutions of Christians who believed in the church and honored the Bishops of Rome as the leaders of the church. the first 15 or 20 bishops of Rome all died in the Coliseum of Rome or were beheaded or crucified. your statement ignores that sacrifice they made and belittles it. But, your entitled to you opinion,.
Friend, it was the Roman's who persecuted God's church. It was the Roman's who killed all the apostles.
After Jesus, Christianity spread like wildfire and the romans (led by Satan) did everything they could to stop it. They were killing Christians by the thousands but the effect was the opposite. The more they killed, the faster it grew. They were losing most of their Roman soldiers to the faith. Eventually, they realized that they couldn't stop it, so the devil changed his tactics. Instead of attacking head on, he now infiltrated the church. Constantine then merged the catholic church and the Roman Pagan culture together. This is how the Roman catholic church was born. This is where your traditions come from, the Roman culture. Literally none of it is in the Bible.
Please open your eyes to the truth. Your salvation depends on it.
When God speaks of "His Church" He is referring to us, His children....not any building or organized religion...He knows the evil it has become. That's why He gave us the Good Book (I also understand that it has been compromised by man but it is still the word of God).
The word of God has not been compromised by man. To say so is blasphemy. Do you really think that The almighty one, the one who created the heavens and the earth, the alpha and the omega, can't protect his word?
The religions try to add their own interpretation to their religion in the form of their own books ie: book of morman and the Vatican writings. No religion has added or modified God's word. We have over 5000 manuscripts of the new testament alone, dated back to the first century. And over 40,000 manuscripts from the old testament.
Well Mike, if I may say so, Man HAS changed Gods word through the ages to conform to their agenda. It is not pure. I have many old bibles and find those are better than any that came out after 1960.
I use the books (Old testament, New testament and Tora) to interpret the visions, visitations and whispers given to me by the holy spirit and wisdom. I was born this way and will die this way. For 63 years I have been a messenger of Gods will and instructions.
God wants us to communicate directly with him,, as well as through Christ and the holy spirit.... Ask him and then listen...He will answer. He always does.
Blasphemy you say? No Mike, I honor and fear my Lord for I know Him. I go humbly before Him in praise of His Glory.
"Blasphemy, in a religious sense, refers to great disrespect shown to God or to something holy, or to something said or done that shows this kind of disrespect; heresy refers a belief or opinion that does not agree with the official belief or opinion of a particular religion"
I said nothing against my Lord....perhaps against man, but not God...
God doesn't want us beating people over their heads with a bible to bring them to Him..after all those who come to the Lord who do not know Him come from a place many fear to tread....an open mind is necessary.
Jesus spoke against the tradition of men in Mk. 7:1-13. Eventually they suppliant the word of God. When we follow men who also follow men, we go off course. We only get back on course when we do not go beyond what is written. I Cor. 4:6. The Catholic and Protestant Church have the same problem, repentance is the only way.
I don’t think Q or whomever will reveal the Catholic Church information. They will continue with the Pope hologram and pretend for a long time or indefinitely. Devout Catholics can’t handle knowing about the sins of Catholic Church nor will they ever believe it.
Thank you. I am noticing a lot of generalizations lately that don't have facts to back them up. Like the use of the word "extremists" I'm a little touchy about some uses of the words that sound like a way to exclude other patriots unfairly.
No. They can't. If they don't, catholics will never find salvation. It is their duty to reveal the truth to the deceived. If a Christian withholds this information, it's likely they will be judged negatively when they reach the gates.
It will all be revealed...God's wrath will spare noone involved in the harming of His little children...I can tell you in no uncertain terms He is pissed! His Vengeance will be great and many innocents will be lost as well unfortunately. They will be seated with the Father...the others tossed into the pit. Evil such as this has no place in heaven..There will be no mercy for them....
God only asked for faith, prayers and humility, go humbly with reverence of God's vengeance, it's coming soon...
Blessings to all whose heart is pure in God's word for they shall inherit the earth (a new world, not the one we have now)...The sorting is done.
The Catholics I know are not only well-aware of pedophilia among some of the clergy, but are livid about it. They don't see that as a reason to leave their church, however. Maybe because it's viewed as a personal failing/sin/crime of certain individual priests (who can be defrocked, imprisoned, etc.) and not an inherent aspect of RCC traditions or institutions.
Unfortunately they will be in denial. They have worshiped catholic contrivances for so long that they have lost sight that it is faith in Jesus Christ alone, Not Mary, Not Peter, Not the Pope or his minion, Jesus Christ alone.
I think, unless the Vatican secret library is revealed to the public... Catholics will continue to believe the lie even after learning of the Pagan ritual sacrifice of children to ba'al.
Catholics have known this for a long time. We are taught that if Satan was to be anywhere, he would be in the Vatican.
But the pedophiles are also found in and among your local churches.
And the Mega-Pastors are the worst. Most mega-churches are trafficking organizations.
The Catholics don’t have a corner on that market.
I haven't heard of any trafficking cases with these types of churches. They're more known for scamming poor people out of their money.
Unfortunately there are many false teachers and false converts in Christianity, but God foresaw these things and gave us specific written instructions on how to identify them and its as simple as studying your Bible and comparing what they say against it.
Pedophiles are wherever there are children. It was just easier to sue the Catholic Church since it was one large organization that was not part of the government. Not so easy when it is public schools, groups like the Boy Scouts, and the various Protestant Churches. The Catholic Church was a cash cow,
The entire catholic religion is only about control, look into the dark ages if you doubt me.
The entire theology is written by the the papacy and isn't the least bit biblical.
Don't assume I'm only against catholics, there is plenty of false doctrine taught in many of the Christian churches as well.
I agree. But I think it is important to learn about Jesus when you are young. You may accept the Bible as worth exploring (as I do) or reject it as a Book of fables (as one of my sisters does) but it is still there in your memory. It's the threshing floor.
I read the Bible almost everyday, I might miss one or two days a month.
I regard its as absolute fact and as God's word.
If you read and study your Bible? Why do you still go to a catholic church? I was attending a Christian church in my town until I noticed that they were teaching false doctrine. They're wealth and prosperity message aligned more with what the TV mega pastors like Joel Osteen and Kenneth Copeland said and not what Jesus taught.
As a Catholic.. I find the practices to be very biblically based. Start with reading the New Testament and compare the fulfillment of God's promise to send the messiah to the other covenant relationships God made with Adam, Abraham, Moses, Noah. God loves his people and has provided ways back to relationship with him. Another misconception to learn about. The Catholic church is Christian. Established by Jesus when He says upon this rock I shall build my church.
Oh brother. Catholics aren't Christians.
https://youtu.be/R-RinxXFkS4
Jesus is the rock not peter. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. Christians do good works because they are saved, not to be saved.
There is more pedo’s in synagogues Boy Scouts, local school system but the devil is after the one true church therefore so is the media so you hear it like it’s a pandemic but if you do the math it’s a very low percentage ......that being said
All pedo’s should hang by their balls and stones regardless of the religion
Simon Parkes said there are only 250 reptilians left on earth and they all live in the Vatican.
And Simon Parkes had sex with an alien
is this a common thing?
I don't know but this is what I was taught in school many years ago.
I don't know. I have family who are clergy and I have known many clergy because of the interaction. Never met a pedophile. I have met many clergy who do good work. Many it's because the percentage of pedophiles is not really that large (it is a large organization) and many never really know about it directly.
Good question! And one that I hope anons could approach from an angle that doesn't involve hating on Catholic patriots - and there are many of them.
I see the Eastern Orthodox faith making big inroads in the USA once the RCC's role in human trafficking, ritual satanism, etc. come to light.
Naturally there will also be an internal movement within the RCC to purge the ranks of the cardinals, bishops, etc. of pedos and white collar criminals. Many current Catholics will remain in the RCC on the premise that they've "purified" it somehow. It's not easy for such a large organization simply vanish overnight. Heck, there's still a rump Enron in existence 20 years after their big scandal.
There has been a clear affinity within the Q movement for Russia and Putin (not in every respect, but in many respects) and part of that has to do with Russia's post-soviet development as a "benevolent Christian theocracy". I think many Q patriots would like to see something similar happen in the USA. The fact that Russian Christianity is the Eastern Orthodox variety is going to make it attractive to Roman Catholics Q patriots who want to leave that church but who have been raised to have reservations about turning Protestant.
We have learned that evil will attack the Church but the teachings of Christ are still TRUTH. The leadership is just like any other human organization some are good and some are not. They will be judged in the end just like all of us when we are face to face with God at the end. They should be fired and excommunicated if they are found guilty of crimes. Just as anyone should.
Where did Jesus teach about purgatory? It's not in the Bible.
Where does the Bible say Mary is the queen of heaven? It doesn't.
Really, I don't get your problem with a few traditions in the CC Beliefs are from the Bible and Tradition...not everything was included in the Bible that was written. The council that met to decide on the books to include in the Bible had to pare down the amount of material that had been written since Jesus was on Earth. Translations were not always accurate. Scholars have spent years going thru original writings to find the oldest examples and make good translations so people today can read them. We have no way of knowing what all Jesus taught. No one was taking notes at the time. Stories were passed along orally until they were eventually written dowm.
Actually we have over 5000 manuscripts from the first century.
You may think I hate you, I don't. I'm trying to show you that your traditions will only lead to eternal death. Please use the critical thought and research skills you've learned from Q and educate yourself on the true Gospel in the Bible. Your salvation depends on it. there is no such thing as purgatory and your family can not buy your way into heaven. Please. This is the biggest red pill you can swallow.
I just hope that you can also see that not all Catholics can be lumped into one category. ... I know we don't buy our way to heaven. We are judged on our lives and how true we remain to God. Salvation comes from Baptism and our belief in Jesus resurrection and a life lived on a path to heaven. I don't assume. I know God is love and I try to live by those principles taught to us thru Jesus. Prayers for you and for everyone on the path to understanding.
Do you own a Bible? If not, I would gladly purchase one and send it to you.
Thanks but I have many. My favorite is a study Bible. The explanations are great.
It depends on whether you accept Maccabees as Scriptural whether you deem belief in purgatory to be Biblical.
It's not.
It seems to be one of the main points of contention that make it difficult for Protestants on one side and Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodoxy on the other to settle the issue of Purgatory. While I believe in God, I'm agnostic to Christianity.
From the outside, debates like this seem to be impossible to settle satisfactorily because the two sides cannot agree on a common canon to interpret. In other words, the question looms whether a believer is to side with Luther + Calvin on the so called Deuterocanon's place in the bible, or the Roman and Eastern Church.
The very question of how the Bible should be compiled seems to be at stake.
Is purgatory the only difference you see? What about the worship of Mary, the apostles and angels?
Revelation 22:8-9 NKJV Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. [9] Then he said to me, "See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
No there's certainly other differences --Mary, the Eucharist, etc.. Just going with the one you mention ("the worship of Mary"), the two sides sometimes seem to be speaking past each other. Catholic/Orthodox doctrine holds that one should venerate Mary, but not worship. Protestants perceive it as worship, but Catholics perceive it as veneration.
But the bigger question that looms is: what is our criteria for what counts as scriptural and what is not scriptural?
There doesn't seem to be a simple answer to that sort of question.
the Church is 2000 yrs old. Every 500 yrs it hits rock bottom and new leaders step up to lead the church back to the light.... I'm not worried. its happened before. The orders of nuns and brothers that are dying off and going witchy etc.... they started out as righteous answers to orders before them that had been corrupted.
It's only 1700 years old.
The Roman catholic church was started by Constantine in 313AD when he legalized Christianity and merged it with romanism and made it the official religion of the empire.
https://youtu.be/R-RinxXFkS4
well I believe 2000. and your comment ignores 300 years of persecutions of Christians who believed in the church and honored the Bishops of Rome as the leaders of the church. the first 15 or 20 bishops of Rome all died in the Coliseum of Rome or were beheaded or crucified. your statement ignores that sacrifice they made and belittles it. But, your entitled to you opinion,.
Friend, it was the Roman's who persecuted God's church. It was the Roman's who killed all the apostles.
After Jesus, Christianity spread like wildfire and the romans (led by Satan) did everything they could to stop it. They were killing Christians by the thousands but the effect was the opposite. The more they killed, the faster it grew. They were losing most of their Roman soldiers to the faith. Eventually, they realized that they couldn't stop it, so the devil changed his tactics. Instead of attacking head on, he now infiltrated the church. Constantine then merged the catholic church and the Roman Pagan culture together. This is how the Roman catholic church was born. This is where your traditions come from, the Roman culture. Literally none of it is in the Bible.
Please open your eyes to the truth. Your salvation depends on it.
Sorry this is going in a circle and I will not get dragged into it further. God Bless ya.
Not true. Jesus established His church here on earth with His Resurrection.
Yes, but that's not the Roman Catholics. You seem to think that the church is an organization, it's not. It's the people.
When God speaks of "His Church" He is referring to us, His children....not any building or organized religion...He knows the evil it has become. That's why He gave us the Good Book (I also understand that it has been compromised by man but it is still the word of God).
Everyone who is of Faith in God belongs...
The word of God has not been compromised by man. To say so is blasphemy. Do you really think that The almighty one, the one who created the heavens and the earth, the alpha and the omega, can't protect his word?
The religions try to add their own interpretation to their religion in the form of their own books ie: book of morman and the Vatican writings. No religion has added or modified God's word. We have over 5000 manuscripts of the new testament alone, dated back to the first century. And over 40,000 manuscripts from the old testament.
Well Mike, if I may say so, Man HAS changed Gods word through the ages to conform to their agenda. It is not pure. I have many old bibles and find those are better than any that came out after 1960.
I use the books (Old testament, New testament and Tora) to interpret the visions, visitations and whispers given to me by the holy spirit and wisdom. I was born this way and will die this way. For 63 years I have been a messenger of Gods will and instructions.
God wants us to communicate directly with him,, as well as through Christ and the holy spirit.... Ask him and then listen...He will answer. He always does.
Blasphemy you say? No Mike, I honor and fear my Lord for I know Him. I go humbly before Him in praise of His Glory.
"Blasphemy, in a religious sense, refers to great disrespect shown to God or to something holy, or to something said or done that shows this kind of disrespect; heresy refers a belief or opinion that does not agree with the official belief or opinion of a particular religion"
I said nothing against my Lord....perhaps against man, but not God...
God doesn't want us beating people over their heads with a bible to bring them to Him..after all those who come to the Lord who do not know Him come from a place many fear to tread....an open mind is necessary.
Blessings.....
Jesus spoke against the tradition of men in Mk. 7:1-13. Eventually they suppliant the word of God. When we follow men who also follow men, we go off course. We only get back on course when we do not go beyond what is written. I Cor. 4:6. The Catholic and Protestant Church have the same problem, repentance is the only way.
I don’t think Q or whomever will reveal the Catholic Church information. They will continue with the Pope hologram and pretend for a long time or indefinitely. Devout Catholics can’t handle knowing about the sins of Catholic Church nor will they ever believe it.
Wow, what a generalization.
You are right. I didn’t mean to offend. Sorry fren.
Thank you. I am noticing a lot of generalizations lately that don't have facts to back them up. Like the use of the word "extremists" I'm a little touchy about some uses of the words that sound like a way to exclude other patriots unfairly.
No worries. We are all on edge. I know I am! Stay strong.
No. They can't. If they don't, catholics will never find salvation. It is their duty to reveal the truth to the deceived. If a Christian withholds this information, it's likely they will be judged negatively when they reach the gates.
Understood.
It will all be revealed...God's wrath will spare noone involved in the harming of His little children...I can tell you in no uncertain terms He is pissed! His Vengeance will be great and many innocents will be lost as well unfortunately. They will be seated with the Father...the others tossed into the pit. Evil such as this has no place in heaven..There will be no mercy for them....
God only asked for faith, prayers and humility, go humbly with reverence of God's vengeance, it's coming soon...
Blessings to all whose heart is pure in God's word for they shall inherit the earth (a new world, not the one we have now)...The sorting is done.
??
I hope they start reading the bible, for starters.
Catholics will continue to deny reality much like the pedophilia scandals.
The Catholics I know are not only well-aware of pedophilia among some of the clergy, but are livid about it. They don't see that as a reason to leave their church, however. Maybe because it's viewed as a personal failing/sin/crime of certain individual priests (who can be defrocked, imprisoned, etc.) and not an inherent aspect of RCC traditions or institutions.
That is an assumption not a fact.
Unfortunately they will be in denial. They have worshiped catholic contrivances for so long that they have lost sight that it is faith in Jesus Christ alone, Not Mary, Not Peter, Not the Pope or his minion, Jesus Christ alone.
I think, unless the Vatican secret library is revealed to the public... Catholics will continue to believe the lie even after learning of the Pagan ritual sacrifice of children to ba'al.
All the abrahamic religions are satanic
Trust Jesus alone - he spoke the truth.
Sounds like history repeating itself. Remember Luther?