Got in an argument with a friend of mine who has no children, I have a daughter going into second grade.
Thankfully she’s in a private school that is tossing the masks this year.
He told me he believes that this is irresponsible and that as long as children are dying from Covid and they can’t take the vax they should have masks on at all times at school, and that is so sad people are ok with risking the life of a child with an immune disease. He said until there are ZERO children dying from Covid it should be this way…
I told him that day will never come. Covid is not leaving and the one child with the immune disease has the option of remote learning, and I would support social services to provide support for that family. But only in those cases.
He disagrees, claims my philosophy is robbing this child of a good life with other children. I obviously countered that a good life for all the other children is not wearing a mask for a disease that isn’t killing them.
Anyways - forget the argument. Regardless of what we all believe here, there’s a lot of people like him.. a lot.. I have a feeling he and many others will also not care if there is black and white proven election fraud. He will justify it in his mind…
So my question is - exactly how fucked up do things have to get before they’re awake? These liberals seem completely blinded, believe trump was Satan himself, and obviously think freedom of choice isn’t an option.. he expect zero deaths before we have choice.
Thoughts? Just makes me feel like we are screwed and these idiots aren’t going to wake up.
You are arguing past each other because you are not getting at the root of WHY he believes the things he does.
http://www.finandfeathers.co.uk/images/uploaded/auto/2020/05/snapshot.jpg
Of course, he will have no reasonable explanation. He will try to change the subject.
DO NOT LET HIM OFF THE HOOK.
Make him ACKNOWLEDGE that a face mask manufacturer says there is NO PROTECTION AT ALL FROM COVID 19 by wearing a face mask.
DO NOT allow the conversation to move ANY direction other than his agreement that YOU ARE RIGHT about this particular point.
What MOST people do (in your situation) is allow these people to squirm out when they realize they are wrong and change the subject.
If he will not acknowledge a FACT that is obvious, then he is NOT AN HONEST PERSON, and NOTHING you say will matter at all. You cannot have an honest conversation with a dishonest person. FULL STOP.
If (and ONLY if) he acknowledges YOU ARE RIGHT about this particular point, then ask him why he doesn't know about the 79 studies over the past 50 years that show NO BENEFIT, and ONLY HARM, to people who wear face masks.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/47-studies-confirm-inefectiveness-of-masks-for-covid-and-32-more-confirm-their-negative-health-effects/
Again, DO NOT LET HIM OFF THE HOOK. Either he agrees with you, or he agrees to research it further and then get back to you, or he tries to evade the issue -- in which case, you TERMINATE the conversation, because you cannot have an honest discussion with a dishonest person.
Thanks for this
n/p.
Check out how Burritoes4everyone tries to change the subject and get me off track in this thread:
https://greatawakening.win/p/12jd9TJLAX/
One of the biggest problems we face in the truth movement is that people who are losing a debate will try to change the subject, and too many people fall for it.
It's like a person is wrestling, has his opponent with shoulders on the mat, the referee is counting to 3, but just before he gets to 3, the person lets the opponent off the mat, both are back on their feet, and it's like nothing happened.
The pin was right there. Just stay on point and make sure the other side either (a) agrees to your point if you have the facts and they don't, or (b) shows his true colors by trying to weasel out and change the subject.
That is one of the main things we need to do when having discussions with people who want to evade key points. The left does this all the time, because they are often wrong and have no facts to support their religious belief in government.
MAG768720! I love your thought process!
thx
What do you do for a living?
I think we have to get them off this mindset that they speak for all of humanity and make it about their own ego. If a person refuses to accept any positive news about Covid, I would suggest people stop arguing Covid and start addressing their ego.
“So Covid is the best thing that’s probably ever happened to you, hey?”
“No! It’s terrible! This pandemic is awful! Why would you say that?!”
“Oh really? It’s just that it’s the only thing you care about anymore. It’s all you talk about. You’re like a Covid fanboy.”
“I just - I care about other things too. But this is just so important.”
“Meh, I think most people are over it. Covid is boring.”
“Boring?! Boring?!”
“Uh oh, looks like I just insulted this guy’s favorite band. Covid-19 and the Delta Orchestra. Haha. Man you love Covid too much dude. You need a hobby bro!”
“It’s a deadly pandemic!”
“Look at that glint in your eyes. You can’t even talk about Covid without your whole face lighting up. Dude, just admit it. Your life finally has meaning because of Covid and now you can’t let it go.”
I like the idea of boxing them in with their own obsession because what move do they have? Either they change the subject to prove they aren’t a Covid fanboy, or they keep talking about Covid, which proves they are a Covid fanboy.
Also, when the Delta variant comes up, we might want to say “the Delta variant is old news” and how everyone is now talking about the “Epstein variant” and that “the Epstein variant didn’t vax itself”. Then change the subject to child sex trafficking and how you prioritize rescuing children over everything else. In a party or group setting, this always gives you the moral high ground and it’s easy to box in anyone who disagrees as ignorant and uncaring, at best, and a pedophile apologist, at worst. Then the Epstein cover up is a great transition to shift the subject to the media lying and protecting pedophiles. This then makes it easy to dismiss anything your opponent quotes from the corporate media and to keep boxing him in with the rich corporate pedophiles.
Really good post.
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Well said. The bonus with this approach too is that by staying within tramlines, and not being led into a flailing omni-direction argument as emotions heat up, you won’t come across as not knowing your shit or worse, a raving loon.