THINK FAKE NEWS IS BAD? WAIT UNTIL YOU FIND OUT ABOUT FAKE HISTORY & SCIENCE!
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Why is it that Christians don't look at all the lies in the bible? Like it's absolutely drenched in deception...
What lies are those? I have never found any. I've fixed my faith on those scriptures and have seen miracles happen, things that were permanent and beyond anyone's control one day, and something completely different the next. I have seen it and experienced it, along with the absolute reality of Christ. That could not happen from a book full of lies. Every force in the world is arrayed against that one book. You don't see any great effort to discredit the scriptures of other faiths. Why is that? It's because people want to be their own gods to do as they will, and that book puts God's claim on their lives.
Not arguing but you’re here... on a website called “GreatAwakening” and yet, you don’t want to question what you’ve been told all your life are factual writings in the Bible that you read? You believe without a doubt that your Bible is 100% factual. Says who? Who tells you it’s 100% correct? Did God himself tell you this?
Everything else can be bullshit, but the minute you question my Bible that’s it, all bets are off. Why?
When one has a relationship with God through His son Jesus, there is no doubt. It's God's word, His good news.
You are making assumptions, my friend. You certainly didn't learn that here. I have questioned the Bible, my faith, and what I believe, and by process, experience, and research I have come to my settled conclusions. Allow me that and I will allow you to have your conclusions about what you have come to believe.
True, I was told many, many years ago that the Bible is the word of God, but that is not where my conviction about its truthfulness comes from, and it wasn't something that sprang up overnight to fill some vacuum in my mind. My conviction comes from the spiritual reality I came to know through many years, which the Bible consistently confirmed and supported, and I didn't get that inside the walls of any church. I came to know the reality of God by personal experience, and nothing can shake me from that. It's more real to me than the thinly-formed matter that makes up this world.
All bets are off (for me personally) because I am convinced the Bible is true, not because I started with a belief I then had to prove to myself was real, but from leaning into the spiritual reality that was proof enough in itself to convince me that the words on those pages were no lie. It is my right to hold that conviction as much as it is your right to maintain your skepticism. You certainly don't need me to agree with you to support what you believe. Only the unsure need that, and I give you the respect of assuming that is not the case with you, unless you tell me differently. Please give me the respect of assuming that my spiritual experiences are real on some level. You don't have to believe what I do to give me that.
On one point I would like to challenge you. We actually are in an argument according to the dictionary definition. But I don't see it as a negative thing. We are being civil, even if we have both been blunt on some of our points. I can see how passionate you are about your contentions, and I respect that.
It is not wrong to question the bible. But understand: those who translated it were human, as were those on the Nicene council. Humans are limited in their ability to successfully communicate absolute & perfect knowledge.
The bible says that the earth was created in seven days. That's impossible. 168 hours?
The word "days" is translated from the Hewbrew word, yom. Which, literally translated, can mean "a duration of time." Why do we have to understand that as a "day"?
Study the word.
I was raised Christian. I've accepted Jesus, as a child and again as an adult. I've studied intensely and memorized hundreds of passages.
I get it. It's a tough system to crack when you're inside. But I find most people just lean on the proofs and don't bother question it.
The proofs you experience are absolutely real, just not for the reasons you think. Christianity is a "skin" for a deeper system of "spiritual" mechanics. Miracles, prayer, Scriptural guidance - these are real because they leverage spiritual mechanics. But you can experience those same effects with other practices - meditation, mantra, etc...
But there are countless other problems.
The Old Testament is a collection of occult traditions gathered from the Phonecian-Canaanites who recreated themselves as Jews.
The New Testament is a propaganda fiction from the Roman Empire. Look up the Flavian conspiracy.
The entire thing is saturated in astrotheological symbolism and coded with esoteric ritual and magic. Look up Jordan Maxwell.
The semantics reveal that angels, demons, and Yahweh are all part of the same dominate alien empire known as the Seraphic Host, with the Elohim at the top and the Ophanim acting not as angels but as the AI entities we know as UFOs. Look up Pierre Sabak.
The purpose of Christianity is to conquer tribal cultures and replace their spiritual mysticism with a more cultured religion. This collectivizes the people into church bodies with priests and holy texts, making them infinitely easier to control and manipulate.
Christianity is useful because it starts off very strong, but decays over time. Priests, worship leaders, mega churches, Christian literature and music - these provide a wonderful sub culture that can be bought off and subverted. Billy Graham, like so many religious leaders, is a 34th degree Mason. Look up Fritz Springmeier, who is a Christian himself.
Once Christianity has structured the society, it is corrupted and begins to decay. You have evidence of this all around you, everywhere you look. Where is the church right now?
They have lost their purpose. They are spiritually blind. They have paved the way for the next social evolution, which is communism.
Sure, there are good small churches. But look at the movement as a whole. Look at it honestly. Go watch testimonies of people who have left Christianity - pastors, worship leaders, students,.
Ultimately, belief in Christianity is no different than belief in the media. We once believed the media was credible and reported honestly and factually. Now we know it is a propaganda machine. The church is no different, it's there to control your mind and keep you from seeing a deeper level of reality.
It's good in certain ways, just like the media is good. But it isn't true. There is a better way.
Thank you. I appreciate your willingness to validate my experience, even if it came with a caveat. I also appreciate your candor in telling me how you began and how you arrived at your conclusions. It means something to me that you would disclose such a personal thing.
I'm aware of all the things you've mentioned, trust me. Although these ideas are intriguing, I don't agree with all your points and conclusions, and the information in your sources is not something I would be inclined believe just because someone assures me it's the real truth. I take from alternate sources what seems plausible by their arguments, but I hold that lightly until I see enough credible corroborating evidence to convince me their contentions might be true. On the other hand, I tend to believe people who risk their livelihoods or even their lives to speak out against an injustice or refute an official lie, but even then I look for corroborating evidence of their contentions, which usually comes from others who have taken the same risks. (It takes less to convince me in this case. Nobody does that without an unshakable belief in what they are saying.) In terms of spiritual truth, the evidence that I might be wrong in my beliefs would need to far outweigh the proof of them in my soul for me to consider changing them, and it would have to be pretty heavy to have a chance of overturning my convictions.
I don't trust anyone who comes with "secret truth" they say will bring enlightenment and spiritual advancement, even if it's a "powerful" Christian who claims to have gotten it right from God (I don't care if they even have miracles in their pockets). It's an old trick, and people fall for it because they don't know the same cheese has often been used before, soaked in a new flavor to be palatable to people of the times.
We see the church and even the universe quite differently. I do not regard the church to consist of the organizations we see, and I do not believe that God is one of a host of aliens who meddle with our world. I never will, and I don't care if people think I'm stupid for being stubborn about that. God revealed Himself to me through Jesus as the only living God, eternal and unbound by time and space, and that is not something I can un-know or trade for some inferior vision of the universe.
Even so, I am not a fan of powerless Christianity. I have been in churches like that, the ones that hold their religion entirely in their minds because spiritual things scare them. But I have also been in churches where the presence and power of God wasn't outside the door. I know the difference, and I can usually spot it from the parking lot, even in churches that cheaply copy the emotional aspects and forms of God's presence to convince themselves He is there.
I've enjoyed talking to you, but at this point I don't think it will be productive to continue. The discussion seems to have devolved into a back and forth of trying to inspire a conversion, and I'm not into that. I don't think either of us could even be bullied or shamed into a slight concession, so it might just be better to move on.
Before I close, I do want to make one final point relating to something you said: Focus matters. Believing in Christianity and believing in Christ are not the same thing at all. I expect you know that, but I thought it was important to say.
Ah, thanks for the reply! Sounds like were probably much closer, although yes, still quite different.
I recommitted to Christ this year actually. I find that (((symbol))) (man / reality / insert word of choice) seems to hold true regardless of the belief system or framework. So I can get behind that.
I can't get behind any form of "powerless" Christianity, good term. I'm skeptical of all forms of religion because I see it go wrong so often, but do think that it's a better religion for society than most for those that want one.
Anyway, nice to see we can disagree civilly. Cheers!