(From Benjamin Boronat) Take it from a former mechanic, those Pratt and Whitneys even in Standby Mode on cycling can suck the hair off a gnat's ass at 20 feet. There's not a snowball's chance in hell you are going to be anywhere near those things while taxiing without going in as shredded beef and coming out barbequed pork on the other end. The heat coming off those things in exhaust can instantly liquefy aluminum. Crank those puppies up to operating speed and you are at forge-like temperatures and the blowtorch from hell. Instant Death ☠️💀 100 yards behind at full thrust.
That's why the Military in all it's wisdom puts in Big BOLD Letters "DANGER" all over the aircraft. You would have to be an absolute moron to be within 50 feet from that craft from the side, and you're definitely not going to be around those wings or their path. You ever stop to think why they wait to taxi this particular aircraft until all living life forms known to man and creation are clear front and back? The exhaust once the pilot lays on those throttles will land you a couple of football fields away if you aren't fully cremated already.
Works only in Hollywood folks. If that had been real life the air induction and sound alone would have cleared everything away from that plane just to taxi it. Notice that not a single person had on ear protection or were covering their ears. Even if you are totally deaf it would be painful to be that close to a running Pratt and Whitney without ear protection. Yeah, they are that loud. Don't take my word for it. Hang out by an airport runway and just watch and listen to a couple of jumbo jets take off. Then add in that the sound from a Pratt and Whitney is double that. Bet you will rethink your position real quick. You won't even have to be that close.
Just to put the final insult to injury on this charade — the insignia is missing below the words AIR FORCE. And where the hell is the Front Man door? It should be lower and slightly forward of the missing insignia. It's like a Blow Up Doll that's half dressed...
(From Richard Scurto) (from the comments) I’m an aviation mechanic, I also work for the company who makes the engines for the C17………This post is the truth!
And No pilot (I don’t care what country) would ever start their engines in that environment
Did you see the plane take-off? There's only footage like the plane on the ground and footage with the plane in the air. Nobody took a video from the take-off? C'mon man.
Different planes. There are a whole shitload of flights in and out of Afganistan right now.
More interesting question is why bother faking a crowd on a plane? jus to make Biden look bad? I was reading Politico just for funsies, and they are turning on him hard. Looks like they are getting ready for the first woman president, is my guess.
Here's why he's wrong. He's a former mechanic, not an engineer.
These planes have a higher clearance than commercial planes. These engines are eight feet above the ground. The same engines on a 757 are 29 inches off the ground.
If they were prancing around a 757 with engines on, yes, very likely someone would have been sucked in. But this is a C-17. The engines would have to overcome the full force of gravity to lift a fully-grown man completely off of the ground. This doesn't happen in reality.
The reason is because the range of danger is 20 feet LATERALLY. The range of danger increases ABOVE the engine, and decreases BELOW it.
So, with a 757, a human body's mass is largely at the same level as the engine. For the C-17 it is ALL several feel below the engine. So the ability of the engine to pull in a whole person is diminished by the force of gravity. Yes, the engine CAN do it, but only from probably within a foot or so.
As for the heat, again the ground clearance matters. Also, hot air is less dense than cold air so it expands rapidly and rises into the atmosphere. It works the same way as a hair dryer. Put it on full blast and stick your hand one inch away. It will burn your hand. Move it one foot away, nice and cozy.
The noise level argument is nonsense also. It makes the assumption that all four engines are under throttle at all times. That's not how planes taxi. They give it a little thrust to get the plane rolling then back off to conserve fuel. Once the plane is rolling, the amount of thrust needed to keep it moving is less.
The noise level would only be an issue when the plane needed to ACCELERATE, not maintain speed.
Also, this is military. If they were given orders to take off, they are going to take off. Especially in a hostile environment.
This guy is trying to throw out his mechanic and employment credentials like he's some authority, but he's not. His premises fail to consider basic things like the force of gravity.
actually, I think you can see the more likely truth from my original post. Blow up planes? Really? Blow up tanks is one thing, but blow up planes viewed at close range is just so much further out there
Inflatable military decoys have been in use since at least 1943. That particular Ghost Army project was not declassified until 1996. Source: https://youtu.be/dDNlQuTbVC4
Btw, is it just me or does the female voice in the background at about 3:40 say, "...and also the plane would inflate up"?
In any case, not only is it plausible but likely that they would have inflatable aircraft and use them to deceive and manufacture fake news.
That was 1943. About 75 years ago. We don't do the same thing 75 years in a row.
Look. It might not be a real plane. I give you that, and I can clearly see how that might be the case. But PLEASE knock it off with "inflatable". It's not blow up doll. It's just not.
I'm just going to substitute "blow up girlfriends" for planes that are not actually planes and could be just CGI.
Seriously man. Blow up planes? Get with the times! It's not 1992 anymore. It's more likely it's an effing hologram than it is a slippin-slide! "Weeee!"
"undermining our accountability"....Do you have knowledge that This is all false...?? If not I suggest you keep quiet....These are not MY observations but of a mechanic who does have knowledge....Don't discount anything if you don't have the knowledge.....
Don't care about your suggestions, if you're going to maintain that a blow up plan is more likely than a CGI one in the year 2021, I think maybe you should be revoked of your high school diploma. Are you a diversity hire?
I'm not maintaining anything.....I've given you someones opinion who actually has knowledge of the subject...But I see you reverting to insults instead.... Don't be such a condescending prick....
The aircraft on the video is not shown taking off. I worked 11 years at the largest airport in my country, spent countless hours working the loading/unloading operation of commercial aircraft, as well as being around during engine tests. Engines have such power that they can suck a person in, or blow them away. Check out these two videos and then wonder if the video about the military cargo plane with people running next to it seem legit.
(From Benjamin Boronat) Take it from a former mechanic, those Pratt and Whitneys even in Standby Mode on cycling can suck the hair off a gnat's ass at 20 feet. There's not a snowball's chance in hell you are going to be anywhere near those things while taxiing without going in as shredded beef and coming out barbequed pork on the other end. The heat coming off those things in exhaust can instantly liquefy aluminum. Crank those puppies up to operating speed and you are at forge-like temperatures and the blowtorch from hell. Instant Death ☠️💀 100 yards behind at full thrust.
That's why the Military in all it's wisdom puts in Big BOLD Letters "DANGER" all over the aircraft. You would have to be an absolute moron to be within 50 feet from that craft from the side, and you're definitely not going to be around those wings or their path. You ever stop to think why they wait to taxi this particular aircraft until all living life forms known to man and creation are clear front and back? The exhaust once the pilot lays on those throttles will land you a couple of football fields away if you aren't fully cremated already.
Works only in Hollywood folks. If that had been real life the air induction and sound alone would have cleared everything away from that plane just to taxi it. Notice that not a single person had on ear protection or were covering their ears. Even if you are totally deaf it would be painful to be that close to a running Pratt and Whitney without ear protection. Yeah, they are that loud. Don't take my word for it. Hang out by an airport runway and just watch and listen to a couple of jumbo jets take off. Then add in that the sound from a Pratt and Whitney is double that. Bet you will rethink your position real quick. You won't even have to be that close.
Just to put the final insult to injury on this charade — the insignia is missing below the words AIR FORCE. And where the hell is the Front Man door? It should be lower and slightly forward of the missing insignia. It's like a Blow Up Doll that's half dressed...
(From Richard Scurto) (from the comments) I’m an aviation mechanic, I also work for the company who makes the engines for the C17………This post is the truth!
And No pilot (I don’t care what country) would ever start their engines in that environment
I mean, I agree with the engine assessment. Yet the footage of people falling after the plane takes off needs an explanation...
Absolutely....I agree.... Somethings do not make sense....
Did you see the plane take-off? There's only footage like the plane on the ground and footage with the plane in the air. Nobody took a video from the take-off? C'mon man.
Different planes. There are a whole shitload of flights in and out of Afganistan right now.
More interesting question is why bother faking a crowd on a plane? jus to make Biden look bad? I was reading Politico just for funsies, and they are turning on him hard. Looks like they are getting ready for the first woman president, is my guess.
Well I'm pretty sure is not intended to fool us
The masses are easy to fool it seems.
Fooled me. Had no idea about how something like that would work.
I’m ashamed of how naive I was to think the news footage had any semblance of truth
Here's why he's wrong. He's a former mechanic, not an engineer.
These planes have a higher clearance than commercial planes. These engines are eight feet above the ground. The same engines on a 757 are 29 inches off the ground.
If they were prancing around a 757 with engines on, yes, very likely someone would have been sucked in. But this is a C-17. The engines would have to overcome the full force of gravity to lift a fully-grown man completely off of the ground. This doesn't happen in reality.
The reason is because the range of danger is 20 feet LATERALLY. The range of danger increases ABOVE the engine, and decreases BELOW it.
So, with a 757, a human body's mass is largely at the same level as the engine. For the C-17 it is ALL several feel below the engine. So the ability of the engine to pull in a whole person is diminished by the force of gravity. Yes, the engine CAN do it, but only from probably within a foot or so.
As for the heat, again the ground clearance matters. Also, hot air is less dense than cold air so it expands rapidly and rises into the atmosphere. It works the same way as a hair dryer. Put it on full blast and stick your hand one inch away. It will burn your hand. Move it one foot away, nice and cozy.
The noise level argument is nonsense also. It makes the assumption that all four engines are under throttle at all times. That's not how planes taxi. They give it a little thrust to get the plane rolling then back off to conserve fuel. Once the plane is rolling, the amount of thrust needed to keep it moving is less.
The noise level would only be an issue when the plane needed to ACCELERATE, not maintain speed.
Also, this is military. If they were given orders to take off, they are going to take off. Especially in a hostile environment.
This guy is trying to throw out his mechanic and employment credentials like he's some authority, but he's not. His premises fail to consider basic things like the force of gravity.
https://youtu.be/dDNlQuTbVC4
Ghost Army using inflatable military decoys. Gone on since at least 1943 and was not declassified until 1996.
For reference, here is a standard jetliner with MUCH smaller engines being used to test a "tornado proof" vehicle. https://youtu.be/FATrHPBGSDM
What makes a great movie? Props, special effects and post production...
https://youtu.be/4gAJE6HFQo0 (37 mn, 41 sec)
please understand that "blow up planes" is undermining our accountability.
It's nothing short of retarded to opine that these images are the result of SPECIFICALLY "blow up planes"
Nevermind plane props with skeletal structures, or even more likely CGI
Yeah it's slip'n slide' planes. LMFAO. 2020 problems require 1990 commercial solutions. DURRRRR HURRR DURRRRR
Explain the visual differences.
Sure, take off the downdoot and I'll explain your folly in detail.
actually, I think you can see the more likely truth from my original post. Blow up planes? Really? Blow up tanks is one thing, but blow up planes viewed at close range is just so much further out there
Inflatable military decoys have been in use since at least 1943. That particular Ghost Army project was not declassified until 1996. Source: https://youtu.be/dDNlQuTbVC4
Btw, is it just me or does the female voice in the background at about 3:40 say, "...and also the plane would inflate up"?
In any case, not only is it plausible but likely that they would have inflatable aircraft and use them to deceive and manufacture fake news.
That was 1943. About 75 years ago. We don't do the same thing 75 years in a row.
Look. It might not be a real plane. I give you that, and I can clearly see how that might be the case. But PLEASE knock it off with "inflatable". It's not blow up doll. It's just not.
Yes, it very likely is inflatable. Your feelings and aesthetic sensibilities about language aren't evidence.
I mean, there are people in the world with blow up girlfriends, so something like a plane doesn't surprise me much.
I'm just going to substitute "blow up girlfriends" for planes that are not actually planes and could be just CGI.
Seriously man. Blow up planes? Get with the times! It's not 1992 anymore. It's more likely it's an effing hologram than it is a slippin-slide! "Weeee!"
"undermining our accountability"....Do you have knowledge that This is all false...?? If not I suggest you keep quiet....These are not MY observations but of a mechanic who does have knowledge....Don't discount anything if you don't have the knowledge.....
Don't care about your suggestions, if you're going to maintain that a blow up plan is more likely than a CGI one in the year 2021, I think maybe you should be revoked of your high school diploma. Are you a diversity hire?
I'm not maintaining anything.....I've given you someones opinion who actually has knowledge of the subject...But I see you reverting to insults instead.... Don't be such a condescending prick....
Oh, for fuck's sake.
Oh for fuck's sake what...????
It gets tiring hearing"people" like you who don't agree who then turn to insults...You don't have to agree at all....Just be civil...
Okay Mr 50ft tall inflatable plane that moves along the ground and then takes off. Sure thing.
Ok, Mr Condescending prick...Has anyone said that this particular aircraft took off.....???
The aircraft on the video is not shown taking off. I worked 11 years at the largest airport in my country, spent countless hours working the loading/unloading operation of commercial aircraft, as well as being around during engine tests. Engines have such power that they can suck a person in, or blow them away. Check out these two videos and then wonder if the video about the military cargo plane with people running next to it seem legit.
Crew sucked into A6 engine Crew blown away by A6 engine
The engines on these videos are smaller and not as powerful as the one on the cargo plane on the newer video.
ok maybe its not a blow up plane, but a prop is possible?
Yes.
More likely it's a composite of CGI and reality.
But can we please cut out the "blow up plane" rhetoric? It's just too dumb.