The media would have done its job and exposed bush jr., the Village Idiot, and the people who supported him.
It is all the neocons' fault we have this mess. All of it. The Afghanistan debacle, the economic situation over the last 20 years, 911, Iraq, the other wars like Syria. TSA feeling up little kids at the airport, the explosion in human/child trafficking, and the demoralization of the American public. Hell add the 'No Child Left Behind' dumbing down of the schools.
All of it went down the drain when the Village Idiot and his ilk were allowed to take power!
PERIOD!
it goes back so much further
sure, but jr was like poring fuel to the fire.
sure Reagan built up debt and Clinton did Nafta Carter had high interest rates, Nixon bless his heart tried to get us out of Vietnam and did and lost his job Johnson gave us the stupid Welfare State We could go back to Washington and Jefferson to find fault if we wanted to.
So yes it does go back further both Republican and Democrat controlled governments over the last 40+ years havent been perfect, but I don't believe for a second Reagan would have been involved in something like 911 and then lied to get us into war, same with Carter and Clinton
Further. Before we even started.
I just want to point out the Nixon took the Gold. We should have never been in Vietnam. The war on drugs only brought them here.
Correction- Clinton finalized NAFTA, and other bad deals. But those globalist trade treaties were first introduced, and pushed for by RINO party asshole, George Bush Sr.
There was strong, actual bi-partisan resistance against those deals for a few years, but it finally happened under Clinton.
your are correct, Bush did start Nafta
Its been going on way longer than this
Agree! But there is blame to go around.
If Eve would not have eaten that apple... Just saying!
We are where we are. Looking back want help, we need to fight today's battle to win tomorrow war.
Disclaimer: This is just my opinion!
I remember those days. There was no love lost between the Media and Bush.
They were just about as savage to him as to Trump. It was bad.
I'd trace the start of our current set problems back to Bush Sr. The rest, until Trump, just followed his lead. However, the cabal is the driver and it has been in charge for centuries.
Woodrow Wilson made Bush Sr. look like a boy scout.
And how much of that can be blamed on his wife forging his signature while they kept his stroke a secret?
Yes Bush Sr, Mr New World Order himself, but at least he was smart enough not to go to Baghdad, and when the USSR fell he didn't run around and go 'I told you so.
He was out of touch with domestic issues, thus Clinton win. But when he did Iraq Gulf War I he promised it wouldn't be another Vietnam and he made sure of that despite whether anyone agrees with that war or not. He didn't screw it up.
Your perspective seems a tad too myopic.
The deep state has clear roots in modern American government going back to the 1910's and decisively controlled the government and media when it pushed for and succeeded in getting the 3rd federal reserve of America's history. If you take a close look, you can see many less obvious events where the deep state was influencing and controlling government in America all the way back to 1800.
Compromised men have and continue to exist with in every generation. The problem is we have been trained and propagandized since early childhood to be blind to spotting these corrupt and compromised men. This allows these societal pariahs to work and or cheat their way into power undetected where they fortify their position and begin destroying our nation from within by doing the bidding of outsiders with opposing purposes to what is good or right for our nation.
Learn your history better. If we only fixed the problems you are identifying above, the nation would still fall to destruction from within in another 20 years. So your solution keeps us on the destructive path but puts 10 minutes back on the countdown clock. And since people would realize we rolled back the clock some, they would assume all is well cause we fixed all that stuff and destruction would find them at that later date completely surprised that the fixes (like the Covid-19 vaccines) actually didn't fix the real problem at all.
BTW I don't need to be told to 'learn my history better' when I'm practically an expert in political science, politics, American government, and other related topics. I'm not bragging, just letting you know I've been following these types of things since I was 10 years old. It has been an interest of mine going far back.
No I don't have a university degree, and to say I need one is elitist which is the exact problem we have in this country.
I'm sorry...did you read my post....
I don't recall mentioning a degree or university education.
Perhaps you could try again.
perhaps maybe you should just stop commenting...I know you didn't mention that...now I know you wanted to just by your reply.
Given the direction you have taken this, I thought it might be good to quote you for posterity.
Right.. Well we might not agree, but I stand by my argument above.
You have done nothing to counter what I have said except to "not brag" while you informed me of your expertise on the topics you described. Somehow your self declared expertise discredits what I said without refuting or arguing against any specific point.
Next you suggest I said you needed a degree from a university and that I'm being elitist. Which I point out is strange because I never mentioned or insinuated either of those positions.
And when I called you out on your made up straw man about my "elitist" university degree position (the nonexistent position that I don't hold), you have doubled down declaring that by me pointing out that your statement had no basis in what was actually said somehow magically proves that I always wanted to take that position and it was just me leaving that part unsaid.
Are you arguing against me and my actual positions?
Or
Are you arguing against the straw man positions you have setup in the corner of the room?
Considering this is an open forum, I will choose for myself when and where to engage in comment. Your suggestion that I self-censor is noted though. An interesting proposal you make for a forum such as this one.
True, but what makes you think the MSM wasn't getting infiltrated by the DS back before GWB? Or before Bill Clinton even?
sure the MSM had operation mockingbird, exposed by the Democrat Congress in the 1970s ironically. But the MSM for the most part at least tried to tell the truth. The MSM didn't know everything also.
I think the media was way to harsh on Nixon, but they weren't any better with Ford, Carter or Clinton. Dan Rather gave Bush Sr. a run for his money in that 1988 interview on the CBS Evening News per Iran Contra. Rather was right to call him out on it. At least the MSM tried to get to the truth sometimes.
The issue here is the MSM was all in on a bush jr win no matter his history.
The Bush RINO (nazi) establishment started with daddy Bush in 1988. But he was laying the groundwork for his "New World Order" behind Regan's back since long before that.
We the people became lazy and compliant. For years many did not take a stand or speak up for fear of offending someone and they used that opportunity to grab more and more power. 20 years ago I never would have believed that people would be terrified to live due to a virus with a 99% survival rate.
I think we the people in general have always been somewhat lazy and compliant. From my understanding back when this great experiment was getting started many people here we're meh, what evs. I guess those would be the sheep.
It's the Patriots that pulled us through and I think up till recently had become complacent.