I appreciate that we are all doing out best, but I have seen posts from you regarding my nation, Australia, for example, that are either misinformation or dodgy.
In this case, where is the sauce? Its' great to see a picture of people marching in the street, but in actual fact, there is NO information here that allows anyone to either confirm, deny, or verify follow up on this photo, for example.
I'm not saying it IS misinformation, but sharing information without appropriate context, data for verifying, etc, is contradictory to the Q methodology.
It makes it more possible and more likely that fake or false information gets circulated.
For example, a few days ago, McCoy posted a clip of an Australian child being separated from her (father) with police and what looks like hospital staff.
The headline was,in Australia children are being forcibly removed from parents to be injected.
This is quite false, and known by Australians to be NOT the case, but now this clip has gone viral around the world, with people buying into a fake and false narrative. Was it deliberate disinfo? Might be. But whether deliberate or not, the effect is the same.
THAT is why due diligence, data, the application of reason and logical thinking, with facts, balance and evidence are CRITICAL in the information war.
You post a significant amount on the board here, which is why I make this comment.
Please consider being more diligent in providing sources, etc, when posting content.
And as for kids being given the vax. That video of a kid being dragged away might have been legit (I suspect there was a shared custody issue happening, like the mother had the right to get her kid vaxxed against the fathers wishes).
But vax for kids is now starting at a national level:
All children aged 12 to 15 could start receiving coronavirus jabs in coming weeks
Prime Minister Morrison said 220,000 children in that age group with compromised immune systems, underlying health conditions or who are Aboriginal had already received a jab.
Excellent linkage. Great spread of pics and info. So happy.
(Sigh, I wonder why Euro just didn't post THAT instead of a lone picture)
Regarding the children and injections, don't worry. We know VERY WELL what is going on.
That video of a kid being dragged away might have been legit (I suspect there was a shared custody issue happening, like the mother had the right to get her kid vaxxed against the fathers wishes).
Well, it might also have had NOTHING to do with the injections at all. How do we tell? What is the standard of evaluation? Surely not "Someone said this is what it is, so it must be that." Right?
It might be legit, and it might not be legit. The problem is, one cannot know because there is no information or data, except for someone's headline.
I mean, everything might be legit if our standard of evidence is ...... speculation theory and no facts. Don't you think? And if you cannot verify, then on what basis does one assume legitimacy?
Note: I am perhaps overly sensitive to the entire disinfo and misinfo thing these days, because, you know.... INFORMATION WARFARE.
And in IW, information is a weapon. Undisciplined use of weapons gets people killed and causes casualties in war. Pet peeve.
Yes of course you're right. We have no more info on that clip. And I hate when anons sensationalize or repost dubious info with no verifying.
But the prime minister did just admit that hundreds of thousands of young Australian kids have already been vaxxed.
Out of that number, there is no way both parents were always in agreement about injecting their kid with a science experiment. If there was shared custody than one parent would have the final say (enforceable by police).
I would bet that's what was happening there, and I'm sure it happened with other kids. And now a national rollout is planned so these sort of scenes will happen.
And I hate when anons sensationalize or repost dubious info with no verifying.
You and me both. (although we have all probably been guilty of it some time or other)
I would bet that's what was happening there
OK, but that is speculation. Sadly there is NO way to verify, and in my opinion, from that viewpoint, there is extremely little good value in posting that material in that way, and moreover, the good value is outweighed by the negative value (the negative impacts, which have already been discussed.)
How much you wanna lay odds in a generation or two, the COVID farce is gonna be pointed to as evidence of "hwhite supremacy." and it's somehow gonna be conservatives' fault even though it was leftists who demanded it, and conservatives who fought it?
Lol, the title of the piece is a joke… “Hundreds of New Yorkers…” Followed by the first bullet that thousands of New Yorkers protested at Town Hall. Shoddy journalism at its best.
Just curious, as I’ve seen that clip of the child getting, what appears as a shot in their home, crying and stuff. It’s a quite powerful scene. If it is a form of misinformation, do you have the info that proves that? Australia has done some shocking things because of the vax. And the people have done great in standing up together IMO. I understand where your coming from. Just curious about this now.
I am not aware of any video of a child getting an injection in their home. I suspect this is NOT the video I'm referring to.
The one I am referring to was posted by the Real Dr McCoy or something, which had no evidence that it WAS what what it was labeled as.
I am in direct contact with probably the most uptodate network in Australia. We see stuff directly as it comes out, one or two days lag.
yes, the Australian governments and now corporations are doing crazy things, but they are NOT grabbing kids from their parents and forcibly injecting them.
In my view, the onus is NOT to prove that something is disinformation, or misinformation. The onus is to prove that it is what it says it is.
That requires evidence, facts, data. If there is no evidence, no facts, and no data, then WHY give credence to it?
I'd be keen to see the video you are talking about, in case you wanted my opinion.
Yeah I wish I could find it. It was posted probably over 2 months ago on GAW. I’ll look around. But yea we may be talking about two different videos.
I think your resolve is sound though. You seek truth. Nothing wrong with requesting needed info to be discussed. You felt you had to say something, and I cheer those motives on brother. 👍
There were 9 more under my screenshots, same title and picture. Hate to say it, but when the media unifies like that in one message, that’s all identical... usually the opposite of their headlines is happening. Sadly.
Well, currently, our networks (AUS) do not have ANY info on this actually happening.
I think that the unity of message does NOT indicate that the opposite is true. Rather, it indicates that a particular narrative is at stake. It is to shape that narrative that the repetition is used.
In this case, it is probably because the idea that the kids ARE being injected forcibly goes against what they want to public to think (narrative), rather than denying it.
But yeah, often they lie and repeat the lies. But sometimes its also about corralling the people's mentality.
Have you seen the video? It’s the parent trying to get to their child, to stop those “people” from injecting their child, inside their own home. So picture police and nurses entering your home against your will. Then they subdue you and grab your child, while your young one struggles to get away. All the while your yelling and screaming at them to leave and to stop. They hold the child down, start giving him the shot, while he’s crying out. You standing there, police at your throat, watching this go down. Imaging this, and you’ll have an idea how that video went.
So when I say it’s quite a powerful scene. I’m referring to the horror of this happening to your child, in your home, against your will. Like robbers busting down the door, and instead of stealing TVs...they go for the kid. And so my question is, if that video is something different than what it’s appearing to be, I’m curious to see the real thing, or what the original video is about. Or isn’t.
If its the one I'm thinking of, that doesn't look like any home I've ever seen...
The point is, we on-the-front-line Australians would have seen that content if it was legit. We didn't. It showed up overseas, with that content. Now, its gone viral in someone's rather good video that (sadly) also just says, this is what it is...
Did the people involved make ANY effort to confirm or verify?
So now we have people in our networks here getting phone calls from friends overseas scared shitless asking, is this happening, is this happening?
what do we say? Because we KNOW its unverifiable content and IF it was legit, our networks would have known it, at a minimum well before anyone else overseas.
But who knows? Myself? Without data, information, and verifiable assertions, plus the stink of "smells too potent", I tend to disbelieve long before I just "believe".
Ethnic, thanks for your contributions.
I appreciate that we are all doing out best, but I have seen posts from you regarding my nation, Australia, for example, that are either misinformation or dodgy.
In this case, where is the sauce? Its' great to see a picture of people marching in the street, but in actual fact, there is NO information here that allows anyone to either confirm, deny, or verify follow up on this photo, for example.
I'm not saying it IS misinformation, but sharing information without appropriate context, data for verifying, etc, is contradictory to the Q methodology.
It makes it more possible and more likely that fake or false information gets circulated.
For example, a few days ago, McCoy posted a clip of an Australian child being separated from her (father) with police and what looks like hospital staff.
The headline was,in Australia children are being forcibly removed from parents to be injected.
This is quite false, and known by Australians to be NOT the case, but now this clip has gone viral around the world, with people buying into a fake and false narrative. Was it deliberate disinfo? Might be. But whether deliberate or not, the effect is the same.
THAT is why due diligence, data, the application of reason and logical thinking, with facts, balance and evidence are CRITICAL in the information war.
You post a significant amount on the board here, which is why I make this comment.
Please consider being more diligent in providing sources, etc, when posting content.
thanks.
Source for the NY protest:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9927817/Thousands-New-Yorkers-protest-vaccine-mandate-forcing-workers-shot-face-losing-jobs.html
And as for kids being given the vax. That video of a kid being dragged away might have been legit (I suspect there was a shared custody issue happening, like the mother had the right to get her kid vaxxed against the fathers wishes).
But vax for kids is now starting at a national level:
Thanks, Almost.
Excellent linkage. Great spread of pics and info. So happy.
(Sigh, I wonder why Euro just didn't post THAT instead of a lone picture)
Regarding the children and injections, don't worry. We know VERY WELL what is going on.
Well, it might also have had NOTHING to do with the injections at all. How do we tell? What is the standard of evaluation? Surely not "Someone said this is what it is, so it must be that." Right?
It might be legit, and it might not be legit. The problem is, one cannot know because there is no information or data, except for someone's headline.
I mean, everything might be legit if our standard of evidence is ...... speculation theory and no facts. Don't you think? And if you cannot verify, then on what basis does one assume legitimacy?
Note: I am perhaps overly sensitive to the entire disinfo and misinfo thing these days, because, you know.... INFORMATION WARFARE.
And in IW, information is a weapon. Undisciplined use of weapons gets people killed and causes casualties in war. Pet peeve.
Yes of course you're right. We have no more info on that clip. And I hate when anons sensationalize or repost dubious info with no verifying.
But the prime minister did just admit that hundreds of thousands of young Australian kids have already been vaxxed.
Out of that number, there is no way both parents were always in agreement about injecting their kid with a science experiment. If there was shared custody than one parent would have the final say (enforceable by police).
I would bet that's what was happening there, and I'm sure it happened with other kids. And now a national rollout is planned so these sort of scenes will happen.
Could be, might not be.
You and me both. (although we have all probably been guilty of it some time or other)
OK, but that is speculation. Sadly there is NO way to verify, and in my opinion, from that viewpoint, there is extremely little good value in posting that material in that way, and moreover, the good value is outweighed by the negative value (the negative impacts, which have already been discussed.)
I love the headline, "hundreds" then you go to first line and they say "thousands". What is it CIA, oops I mean DM, hundreds or thousands?
Yes MSM is lying about the numbers of all these worldwide protests.
They did the same thing with the Australian protests. Thousands becomes hundreds. Tens of thousands becomes a few thousand.
All part of the "Its just a handful of crazy anti-vaxxers" narrative.
Can confirm. MSM will always downscale by a factor of around 10, unless its a 'violent' incident, and then they will up it by a factor of about 50.
How much you wanna lay odds in a generation or two, the COVID farce is gonna be pointed to as evidence of "hwhite supremacy." and it's somehow gonna be conservatives' fault even though it was leftists who demanded it, and conservatives who fought it?
Lol, the title of the piece is a joke… “Hundreds of New Yorkers…” Followed by the first bullet that thousands of New Yorkers protested at Town Hall. Shoddy journalism at its best.
Just curious, as I’ve seen that clip of the child getting, what appears as a shot in their home, crying and stuff. It’s a quite powerful scene. If it is a form of misinformation, do you have the info that proves that? Australia has done some shocking things because of the vax. And the people have done great in standing up together IMO. I understand where your coming from. Just curious about this now.
I am not aware of any video of a child getting an injection in their home. I suspect this is NOT the video I'm referring to.
The one I am referring to was posted by the Real Dr McCoy or something, which had no evidence that it WAS what what it was labeled as.
I am in direct contact with probably the most uptodate network in Australia. We see stuff directly as it comes out, one or two days lag.
yes, the Australian governments and now corporations are doing crazy things, but they are NOT grabbing kids from their parents and forcibly injecting them.
In my view, the onus is NOT to prove that something is disinformation, or misinformation. The onus is to prove that it is what it says it is.
That requires evidence, facts, data. If there is no evidence, no facts, and no data, then WHY give credence to it?
I'd be keen to see the video you are talking about, in case you wanted my opinion.
Be well...
Yeah I wish I could find it. It was posted probably over 2 months ago on GAW. I’ll look around. But yea we may be talking about two different videos.
I think your resolve is sound though. You seek truth. Nothing wrong with requesting needed info to be discussed. You felt you had to say something, and I cheer those motives on brother. 👍
Aha! Yeah, probably is a different vid. This one came out last week, and has been doing the rounds.
Addendum: I appreciate the solidarity, fren. I always...
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Well just starting some digging on that one video, stumbled on these headlines.
https://ibb.co/BTvrJR9
There were 9 more under my screenshots, same title and picture. Hate to say it, but when the media unifies like that in one message, that’s all identical... usually the opposite of their headlines is happening. Sadly.
Hmmm.
Well, currently, our networks (AUS) do not have ANY info on this actually happening.
I think that the unity of message does NOT indicate that the opposite is true. Rather, it indicates that a particular narrative is at stake. It is to shape that narrative that the repetition is used.
In this case, it is probably because the idea that the kids ARE being injected forcibly goes against what they want to public to think (narrative), rather than denying it.
But yeah, often they lie and repeat the lies. But sometimes its also about corralling the people's mentality.
Ps. Nice digging.
I mean a kid crying after getting a shot is hardly shocking. Needles hurt and kids don't exactly have the pain tolerance of adults, lol.
Have you seen the video? It’s the parent trying to get to their child, to stop those “people” from injecting their child, inside their own home. So picture police and nurses entering your home against your will. Then they subdue you and grab your child, while your young one struggles to get away. All the while your yelling and screaming at them to leave and to stop. They hold the child down, start giving him the shot, while he’s crying out. You standing there, police at your throat, watching this go down. Imaging this, and you’ll have an idea how that video went.
So when I say it’s quite a powerful scene. I’m referring to the horror of this happening to your child, in your home, against your will. Like robbers busting down the door, and instead of stealing TVs...they go for the kid. And so my question is, if that video is something different than what it’s appearing to be, I’m curious to see the real thing, or what the original video is about. Or isn’t.
Have you got a link?
If its the one I'm thinking of, that doesn't look like any home I've ever seen...
The point is, we on-the-front-line Australians would have seen that content if it was legit. We didn't. It showed up overseas, with that content. Now, its gone viral in someone's rather good video that (sadly) also just says, this is what it is...
Did the people involved make ANY effort to confirm or verify?
So now we have people in our networks here getting phone calls from friends overseas scared shitless asking, is this happening, is this happening?
what do we say? Because we KNOW its unverifiable content and IF it was legit, our networks would have known it, at a minimum well before anyone else overseas.
But who knows? Myself? Without data, information, and verifiable assertions, plus the stink of "smells too potent", I tend to disbelieve long before I just "believe".
I'm in NYC - can confirm. I had multiple friends and family members attend the rally.
Wonderful. It's great to see citizens stepping up, whether it is in Melbourne, Paris or NY.