The one guy in my office that voted for Biden doesn't participate in any of our current event conversations as of late. His face turns red and he quietly slips away. Yes! We all notice.
I voted for him because I didn't want Trump to be in power anymore.
I never went to a Biden rally. I would never buy Biden merch. I couldn't care less if the man makes it through his term.
I don't think Biden got a whole lot of votes from people who were passionate about Biden taking office. I think he got a lot of votes from people who reluctantly understood that they had a binary choice, and one of them was Donald Trump, and they weren't okay with that choice.
There are other candidates I would have happily voted for. Clinton was not one of them. Biden was not one of them. I was a supporter of them on paper only.
Which is why, BTW, you're seeing a lot of criticism of Biden without much fanfare in the Real World. Because people who voted for Biden don't feel any problem criticizing the man whatsoever. It's not that the narrative is changing. It's that the narrative was never that supportive of Biden in the first place. He's an extremely conservative Democrat.
I disagree with fewer of his policies than I do Trump's policies. Among other things.
He just had a better chance at unseating Trump than the candidates I would have preferred to vote for.
I understand. Although I'm an Independent, I never voted R until 2016, but I was voting the best way I knew how against John Podesta. The absurd all-out media assault on Trump convinced me he was the right guy and the media had been captured by the baby raper cult. So I voted for Trump again.
I agree that the media isn't always to be trusted. But I don't accept that just because the media takes one side, it is automatically the wrong side based on them holding that position.
Q believes the earth is round.
I believe the earth is round.
I don't believe the earth is round on the basis of Q believing the earth is round.
The fact that Q believes the earth is round has absolutely no bearing on how I arrive at my conclusion about the roundness of the earth.
I don't agree with Q on most things, but I don't disagree with Q simply because he is Q.
The fact that Q and I agree on something despite me not seeing Q as a trustworthy source on any information does not cause me any dissonance. Because I don't much care what Q has to say about anything.
I also don't much care what the media has to say about Trump.
I disagree with Trump because of the things he says and does, not because the media has reported that Trump says and does bad things.
Luckily for me, Trump was able to bypass the media's "authority" through Twitter and numerous live briefings and through his own confirmation (or failure to deny) those things the media reported on him.
So I was able to not like Trump because Trump was able to talk directly to me about the things he believed and wanted to do, and I didn't like most of it.
Even though I also don't like the media and don't trust them to collectively act as a neutral source on any particular topic.
Mindlessly believing what the media says to you allows you to be manipulated.
Mindlessly taking the position opposite to what the media is telling you also allows you to be manipulated.
It's extremely possible to end up on the same "side" as the media on an issue for reasons completely unrelated to whatever motivation a media outlet has for taking the side that it takes.
Just like Q and I are on the same side when it comes to a round earth, despite neither of us really caring what the other has to say about it.
Luckily, all we need to do is sit around and wait to see whether it's me or Q that has more accurately reflected reality with all the words we've both thrown at Q supporters.
Well, and I mean this respectfully, "progressive" to a Q person has a very different meaning than it does to anyone not that far right on the political spectrum.
Biden is not a communist. Not even Bernie Sanders is a communist. Sanders isn't even a socialist in the way that most people here seem to think of the word.
But those words are thrown around pretty freely here. Anyone who is left of Trump is considered a commie. I'm a commie. Biden's a commie. Hollywood is full of commies.
Biden is right of where a lot of the regular ole' liberals are right now. Movements like those of Bernie Sanders have been gaining traction for a reason. The party is shifting left, and people like Biden and Clinton are too centrist and too well-established in their current political kingdoms to want that to happen.
Really, it was Trump that saved the Democratic establishment. Nobody could have beaten Clinton except Trump, and Trump could have beaten nobody else in 2016 except Hillary Clinton. She was the person that terrified the right, and they had nobody who could match her, so Trump was thrown into the ring to fuck up the rulebook that she played by and was so unpredictable that someone like Clinton couldn't react properly.
If Trump hadn't come along, the Democrats would have kept plodding happily toward the left. We'd be working on developing a more socialized healthcare system, and education reform, and all that jazz back into the party platform.
Instead, we decided to go with Biden, because going from Trump to someone like Bernie Sanders would have caused hardcore whiplash, and most people who didn't like Trump just wanted to take a breather and recover from that craziness for a few years before trying to build back any liberal momentum.
Biden isn't going to rock the boat. Conservative politicians try to convince their voters that Biden is way more scary than they actually think he is. Biden isn't going to even consider the positions that the rank-and-file liberals have been ready to look at for decades now. He was elected to try to stabilize things after Trump, because he is the blandest, most boring, most centrist Democrat that we had available.
I'm happy he's there instead of Trump, but only because I would rather deal with 8 years of making no real progress on the liberal agenda and paying lip-service to Democratic positions from the 70's than I wanted to deal with another four years of Donald Trump in power.
Because unfortunately, as long as the two-party system exists, that's the choice I'm forced to make every election.
I can see why it would lool like anyone left of Trump is being considered a commie or socialist. But the real belief is that there really isnt a 2 party system. There really is an organized effort to remove all freedom for the elite to have total unopposed power. And the vast majority of people.in government on all sides are part of that organized effort.
I use.to think it was republicans. Im still convinced(call me crazy) that Al Gore beat Bush legitimately. All the hanging chad stuff was technicalities that made it impossible to prove. I watched the media bend over and lie to the world about it.
I felt the same about the wat in Iraq. There was zero evidence that there were weapons of mass destruction, but there again. The media did everything to shift the conversation from truth to "well, it really is a good idea". All the people in the Democrat party that I fully expected to stand against it all fell in line. Best idea they had ever heard and was a must do thing.
At that point I started doing a lot of historical research and tried.to find an answer as to why. Gave up on politics all together because.of it.
Then along comes Trump. I thought. No way he will win. Republicans just rolled him out causee they thought there was no one who could beat Hillary and no one wanted to spend their chips losing.
Not long after I started seeing hourly attempts to smear Trump. I thought it was really odd considering Bush was a war criminal and they all openly loved him. So I started paying attention again. Started looking into the alegations. Came up empty handed on all fronts. I started to look closer at what the media had been saying and realized it was all merritless. I was struck wondering what in the world was going on. Why is the media, social.media, everything going after Trump. If his policies were that bad, no one would pass them. If he even tried to get the US into a false war it would not get approved. I didnt see how he could be such a threat.
Then as time passed. I started to see the results of his policies. America was stronger, safer, we were getting peace deal after peace deal in the middle east. Something every administration and the media led us to belive would never be possible.
Then I started seeing Trump take on the heavy hitters like big pharma. Making life saving medicines affordable for Sr citizens and others by lowering Rx prices. Opened up the pipeline work to make the US an energy stronghold rather rhan bse consumer, amongst many other huge wins for the US.
Then I started noticing all the bad tbings people were saying about Trump ended up being lies. Racist...lie. Corrupt and sold out to Russia....lie. Using the oval office to enrich his family....lie. Sexual assult and lewd behavior....lie. Nothing bad that was said about the man was true. It was all a lie.
Then it all made sense. Trump was honest from the get go. He was going to return power to the people. He was going to get rid.of the corruption so the people would not be lied to. Or have a government that treats us like a slave labor force. Here only.to pay taxes and keep this economy of the elites that only benefits the elites.
He was the enemy of all the corruption. Democrat and Repuican. He was the only president to actually fight for America. That is why Dem and Rep alike banded together to get rid of Trump. They are almost all corrupt and no one could have come that close to stopping them until Trump came along.
So, Trump is the champion of the people. The support he gets accross the spectrum.is plenty proof of that in most peoples eyes. Even if we have seperate agendas and have differing opinions on how to better this nation. We must retain the constitution. Without it. There is nothing protecting We the People from complete tyrany. We must all work to keep America free. Or we wont even be free to argue our point of view in the future.
I can agree with many things you say about Trump (being unfairly targeted by the media, etc) but he was caught on open mic saying he grabbed pussy, and he has clearly been somewhat 'liberal' in his marriages! And I don't think he has a religious bone in his body, which is hilarious considering some people think he's the second coming!
Although my dead grandmother voted for Biden, If she were here with us today, she would regret her vote.
The one guy in my office that voted for Biden doesn't participate in any of our current event conversations as of late. His face turns red and he quietly slips away. Yes! We all notice.
Lmfao.... he knows he was wrong.
No. My libtard family and friends are in denial of their stupidity. Dead silent about Biden currently.
I mean, I was never a Biden supporter.
I voted for him because I didn't want Trump to be in power anymore.
I never went to a Biden rally. I would never buy Biden merch. I couldn't care less if the man makes it through his term.
I don't think Biden got a whole lot of votes from people who were passionate about Biden taking office. I think he got a lot of votes from people who reluctantly understood that they had a binary choice, and one of them was Donald Trump, and they weren't okay with that choice.
There are other candidates I would have happily voted for. Clinton was not one of them. Biden was not one of them. I was a supporter of them on paper only.
Which is why, BTW, you're seeing a lot of criticism of Biden without much fanfare in the Real World. Because people who voted for Biden don't feel any problem criticizing the man whatsoever. It's not that the narrative is changing. It's that the narrative was never that supportive of Biden in the first place. He's an extremely conservative Democrat.
I disagree with fewer of his policies than I do Trump's policies. Among other things.
He just had a better chance at unseating Trump than the candidates I would have preferred to vote for.
I understand. Although I'm an Independent, I never voted R until 2016, but I was voting the best way I knew how against John Podesta. The absurd all-out media assault on Trump convinced me he was the right guy and the media had been captured by the baby raper cult. So I voted for Trump again.
I agree that the media isn't always to be trusted. But I don't accept that just because the media takes one side, it is automatically the wrong side based on them holding that position.
Q believes the earth is round.
I believe the earth is round.
I don't believe the earth is round on the basis of Q believing the earth is round.
The fact that Q believes the earth is round has absolutely no bearing on how I arrive at my conclusion about the roundness of the earth.
I don't agree with Q on most things, but I don't disagree with Q simply because he is Q.
The fact that Q and I agree on something despite me not seeing Q as a trustworthy source on any information does not cause me any dissonance. Because I don't much care what Q has to say about anything.
I also don't much care what the media has to say about Trump.
I disagree with Trump because of the things he says and does, not because the media has reported that Trump says and does bad things.
Luckily for me, Trump was able to bypass the media's "authority" through Twitter and numerous live briefings and through his own confirmation (or failure to deny) those things the media reported on him.
So I was able to not like Trump because Trump was able to talk directly to me about the things he believed and wanted to do, and I didn't like most of it.
Even though I also don't like the media and don't trust them to collectively act as a neutral source on any particular topic.
Mindlessly believing what the media says to you allows you to be manipulated.
Mindlessly taking the position opposite to what the media is telling you also allows you to be manipulated.
It's extremely possible to end up on the same "side" as the media on an issue for reasons completely unrelated to whatever motivation a media outlet has for taking the side that it takes.
Just like Q and I are on the same side when it comes to a round earth, despite neither of us really caring what the other has to say about it.
Blah blah blah. You voted Biden. You're right up there with the flat earthers in my book.
That's a very black-and-white way of seeing the world. Binary ways of thinking about complex issues are way too easy to be enjoyable or productive.
And then some things are just black and white. You use a lot of words to say a lot of nothing.
Perhaps that's true.
But perhaps it's true of Q as well.
Luckily, all we need to do is sit around and wait to see whether it's me or Q that has more accurately reflected reality with all the words we've both thrown at Q supporters.
I have time to wait.
Has nothing to do with Q oh wise one. What a stupid reply.
Thank you for your candor. I am curious why you refered to Biden as an extremely conservative Democrat?
Many of the things he has done seem pretty progressive to me. And I was a lifelong Democrat.
Well, and I mean this respectfully, "progressive" to a Q person has a very different meaning than it does to anyone not that far right on the political spectrum.
Biden is not a communist. Not even Bernie Sanders is a communist. Sanders isn't even a socialist in the way that most people here seem to think of the word.
But those words are thrown around pretty freely here. Anyone who is left of Trump is considered a commie. I'm a commie. Biden's a commie. Hollywood is full of commies.
Biden is right of where a lot of the regular ole' liberals are right now. Movements like those of Bernie Sanders have been gaining traction for a reason. The party is shifting left, and people like Biden and Clinton are too centrist and too well-established in their current political kingdoms to want that to happen.
Really, it was Trump that saved the Democratic establishment. Nobody could have beaten Clinton except Trump, and Trump could have beaten nobody else in 2016 except Hillary Clinton. She was the person that terrified the right, and they had nobody who could match her, so Trump was thrown into the ring to fuck up the rulebook that she played by and was so unpredictable that someone like Clinton couldn't react properly.
If Trump hadn't come along, the Democrats would have kept plodding happily toward the left. We'd be working on developing a more socialized healthcare system, and education reform, and all that jazz back into the party platform.
Instead, we decided to go with Biden, because going from Trump to someone like Bernie Sanders would have caused hardcore whiplash, and most people who didn't like Trump just wanted to take a breather and recover from that craziness for a few years before trying to build back any liberal momentum.
Biden isn't going to rock the boat. Conservative politicians try to convince their voters that Biden is way more scary than they actually think he is. Biden isn't going to even consider the positions that the rank-and-file liberals have been ready to look at for decades now. He was elected to try to stabilize things after Trump, because he is the blandest, most boring, most centrist Democrat that we had available.
I'm happy he's there instead of Trump, but only because I would rather deal with 8 years of making no real progress on the liberal agenda and paying lip-service to Democratic positions from the 70's than I wanted to deal with another four years of Donald Trump in power.
Because unfortunately, as long as the two-party system exists, that's the choice I'm forced to make every election.
I can see why it would lool like anyone left of Trump is being considered a commie or socialist. But the real belief is that there really isnt a 2 party system. There really is an organized effort to remove all freedom for the elite to have total unopposed power. And the vast majority of people.in government on all sides are part of that organized effort.
I use.to think it was republicans. Im still convinced(call me crazy) that Al Gore beat Bush legitimately. All the hanging chad stuff was technicalities that made it impossible to prove. I watched the media bend over and lie to the world about it.
I felt the same about the wat in Iraq. There was zero evidence that there were weapons of mass destruction, but there again. The media did everything to shift the conversation from truth to "well, it really is a good idea". All the people in the Democrat party that I fully expected to stand against it all fell in line. Best idea they had ever heard and was a must do thing.
At that point I started doing a lot of historical research and tried.to find an answer as to why. Gave up on politics all together because.of it.
Then along comes Trump. I thought. No way he will win. Republicans just rolled him out causee they thought there was no one who could beat Hillary and no one wanted to spend their chips losing.
Not long after I started seeing hourly attempts to smear Trump. I thought it was really odd considering Bush was a war criminal and they all openly loved him. So I started paying attention again. Started looking into the alegations. Came up empty handed on all fronts. I started to look closer at what the media had been saying and realized it was all merritless. I was struck wondering what in the world was going on. Why is the media, social.media, everything going after Trump. If his policies were that bad, no one would pass them. If he even tried to get the US into a false war it would not get approved. I didnt see how he could be such a threat.
Then as time passed. I started to see the results of his policies. America was stronger, safer, we were getting peace deal after peace deal in the middle east. Something every administration and the media led us to belive would never be possible.
Then I started seeing Trump take on the heavy hitters like big pharma. Making life saving medicines affordable for Sr citizens and others by lowering Rx prices. Opened up the pipeline work to make the US an energy stronghold rather rhan bse consumer, amongst many other huge wins for the US.
Then I started noticing all the bad tbings people were saying about Trump ended up being lies. Racist...lie. Corrupt and sold out to Russia....lie. Using the oval office to enrich his family....lie. Sexual assult and lewd behavior....lie. Nothing bad that was said about the man was true. It was all a lie.
Then it all made sense. Trump was honest from the get go. He was going to return power to the people. He was going to get rid.of the corruption so the people would not be lied to. Or have a government that treats us like a slave labor force. Here only.to pay taxes and keep this economy of the elites that only benefits the elites.
He was the enemy of all the corruption. Democrat and Repuican. He was the only president to actually fight for America. That is why Dem and Rep alike banded together to get rid of Trump. They are almost all corrupt and no one could have come that close to stopping them until Trump came along.
So, Trump is the champion of the people. The support he gets accross the spectrum.is plenty proof of that in most peoples eyes. Even if we have seperate agendas and have differing opinions on how to better this nation. We must retain the constitution. Without it. There is nothing protecting We the People from complete tyrany. We must all work to keep America free. Or we wont even be free to argue our point of view in the future.
Well laid out CP!
I can agree with many things you say about Trump (being unfairly targeted by the media, etc) but he was caught on open mic saying he grabbed pussy, and he has clearly been somewhat 'liberal' in his marriages! And I don't think he has a religious bone in his body, which is hilarious considering some people think he's the second coming!
Wait? What? People actually support Biden ?
Not the way that Trump supporters support Trump, no.
Gotta be right. Except they're wrong.