Based on a lot of the posts I've seen here about "Saving Israel for last", I feel like there is a very anti-Israel sentiment on the site, which honestly makes me uncomfortable. Can someone clarify whether or not these stances are mutually exclusive? The last thing I'd want is to associate myself with a movement that is antithetical to my personal beliefs. Furthermore, I'd hate for there to be an underlying antisemitic sentiment.
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Give me a break. Next you are going to tell us that anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are the same thing...
They are the same, essentially:
Anti-semitism: Hate Jews
Anti-Zionism: Hate Jews and Israel
Zionism: The term “Zionism” was coined in 1890 by Nathan Birnbaum.
Its general definition means the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel.
Since the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, Zionism has come to include the movement for the development of the State of Israel and the protection of the Jewish nation in Israel through support for the Israel Defense Forces.
From inception, Zionism advocated tangible as well as spiritual aims. Jews of all persuasions - left, right, religious and secular - formed the Zionist movement and worked together toward its goals.
Source: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/a-definition-of-zionism
Not even close. Antisemitism = anti-Jewish. Antizionsim = anti-Israel. Palestinians are both antisemitic and antizionist.
No, anti-zionism = Hate of the creation of a Jewish state
There are ZERO anti-Semitic posts by Q. All the MSM hit pieces love to talk about how the movement is A-S, but they've yet to point to a single drop by Q that indicates any anti-Israel sentiment.
Q may not be antisemitic or anti-Zionistic, at least outwardly, but I have seen posters on this forum that have exhibited anti-semitic and/or anti-zionistic rhetoric that makes me feel uncomfortable. Not telling anyone how to think. I'm very anti-Rothschild, but very pro-Israel. I think that's a very reasonable stance to have. But there are some who would not call me a true Q believer for that stance.
Lots of shills and anti-Trumpers here on GAW to cause problems. Those who try to whip up Jewish hatred often point to Cabal Rothchilds or Israeli Mossad as examples. That's like listening to Iranians saying the USA is the Great Satan because of the CIA or Rockefellers. If you're American you're one of them. How stupid? The truth is since Trump came down the escalator both he and his followers have been targeted for ridicule and scorn. They've been falsely accused of being racist, Nazis, homophobe, zenophobes and everything else under the sun.
The Jews and Israelis are not Kazarians, and Zionism is not akin to Nazism. We need to be wise about the people who infiltrate boards like this and what their agenda is. MAGA is about all American citizens. Patriots love their countries and are against globalism. Loving your country doesn't mean hating someone else for loving theirs. Since we are a country of immigrants we understand the need to embrace many cultures and religions but still hold to an identity that unifies us as citizens of the U.S. Someone here from Ireland and has roots there doesn't mean they hate America because they love Ireland.
This is something very unique to America. We embrace people who share a common value in being an American citizen regardless of where they are from. As long as they came here legally, work hard and obey our laws we consider them Americans. So, don't let the anti-Jewish, anti-Catholic, anti-anything make you question the MAGA Patriots here. There are many of us here and we are of many backgrounds, ethnicities, religions but we are ONE!
You could say that about practically anything, though. There are probably anti-Semitic folks who watch Marvel movies, or drive Hondas or eat at Burger King. Individual foibles don't trickle up to commonality.
Again, not trying to force anyone to change their beliefs to appease my sensibilities, I just want to understand what the general consensus here is on zionism. Based on the replies I'm seeing it's a mix of "the nation and its people have a right to exist but the government is corrupt as fuck and needs to be taken down" and "Israel has been a problem because muh stolen land and muh religion", all while glossing over the fact that Islam is an unquelled figurative termite infestation that turned a once religiously pluralistic region into a quasi-caliphate and is gradually pervading throughout yet another religiously pluralistic region (Europe) in the hopes of doing the exact same thing.
If the Israeli government is as crooked as ours, then it probably needs to have their swamp drained, too. IDGAF what their religion/heritage is, at that point. Corruption is corruption.
Q drops were about going after and ending corruption in all governments. That is all. I love America but I don't deny the corruption here has become stage 4 cancer. Israel has it's problems too, as does the rest of the world. Being anti-corruption isn't the same as anti-american or anti-Israel. There are bad players in many nations.
There are people who got introduced to Q through 4 chan and that crowd always had plenty of people who blamed it all on the Jews.
Antisemitic is a buzzword, for fucks sake they call Palestinians antisemitic. That alone should inform you the word has no meaning.
It's not antisemitic sentiment going around on this site, everyone here just realizes that America's govrenment and nearly all of it's allies' governments have been corrupted, it's being exposed and Q says Israel gets to go last... I hope that sums it up in a way that you can still be supportive of
Okay, so we've established that Q isn't anti-semitic. But it still doesn't answer the anti-zionism concerns. What is the general consensus on Israel as a nation here?
As a nation of people they are our brothers and sisters on this planet like all humans.
As far as their leaders go, probably corrupted like all the rest.
I think the burden of proof falls on you here, can you show us some examples of Q posts or users advocating for the fall of the nation of Israel?
I've seen many things pointing to the arrests of current and former government officials in Israel, but nothing that encourages the fall of the nation.
We're looking for those responsible for the corruption to be held accountable, what happens following that is up to the people of Israel, same goes for the U.S.A.
https://greatawakening.win/p/12izuNQgZo/x/c/4J9Mvgn2HjE?d=50 Probably the most notable example I can think of that I was personally involved in.
That looks like a conversation that was had over on 4chan /pol/, and I can't speak for that community in regards to anti-semitism or anti-zionism.
However, even that post seems to be aiming for the few elite Israelis responsible for the situation we find ourselves in to be held accountable, not the fall of the nation of Israel.
I'm pretty confident Israel will still stand after we throw a few government officials and bankers behind bars.
Why do you keep asking for consensus? Do you believe we are a hivemind? We are many different people with different opinions.
Stop trying to generalize beliefs. This is behavior similar to shill behavior.
Fighting evil rich Kaballah Jews who follow the Babylonian Talmud does not equal hating the Israeli people. Jesus himself called these types of Jews “children of Satan”.
This is how I had it explained to me:
Imagine you were French (you may be, but just go with me here).
You were raised French, spoke French, and followed the French religion.
An Empire comes in and threatens to invade unless you convert to their religion and follow their rules.
You capitulate, and time passes.
Eventually, more of your people follow the Empire's religion than in the Empire.
Eventually the Empire is toppled, including France.
The new Empire, let's call it the Federation, takes over your land and your people become a minority.
Eventually they turn on your people, saying you are filth and your banking system is destroying their country. They want to get rid of you.
Other nations want to get rid of your people, too, but none more than the Federation.
War breaks out, the Federation is said to have killed your people by the millions, and no one wants to deal with the refugees because they also hate you.
They talk with your peoples' heads and come to an arrangement to send you back to the Empire's homeland, way before the Federation took over.
Keep in mind, your people; your race, ethnicity, and culture, had never actually existed in the Empire's homeland.
They bag you all up, even in nations outside the Federation, and ship everyone to the Empire's homeland which has since fallen to a multitude of Caliphates over the years, all with equal claim to the land historically, especially compared to your French asses.
Time progresses, wars ensue where the Caliphates try to push your people out, and eventually some unfortunate truths come to light.
The heads of your religion, from even before they were forcibly converted to that religion way before the Empire came along, never actually stopped practicing the French religion. Additionally, they set up banking structures and cleverly infiltrated every leadership role in the world using their "accounting" practices.
They actually were scum and villainy and that's why everyone wanted to ship them off to somewhere else.
Only, now we find out that it was the head of the French religion, which also happens to be Satanism, who WANTED to go to the Empire's homeland and establish a nation there because they had to claim certain religious sites to fulfill the French End-Times prophecy.
Now, does it make sense why people don't like Israel?
To swap things out from my analogy, the French are Khazars, the Empire was the Mosaic Hebrew Empire, the Federation was Rome and eventually other European powers like Germany, and the French people themselves are Jewish.
Not Hebrew and not Jews, and that's important.
They are Jew[ish]. They are Khazari people who were converted to Hebrew. The heads NEVER abandoned their Satan worship and instead call themselves Jew+ish. As in, "kind of a Jew."
The real Hebrew people of the Bible have scattered to the winds and have intermingled beyond recognition.
The only ones who really bare true claim to the Hebrew ethnicity are a band of Ethiopians who claim they have the real Ark of the Covenant on a lake in Ethiopia. But even they don't claim to be blood related to the true Hebrew Nation, even though they probably are.
That's the theory, anyway.
The current claim by several Patriot/Paytriot groups are that the Khazarian Mafia is the real name of the Cabal. They've always worshipped Satan and only use honest, innocent, and unaware Jews as a meat shield and victim tokenism to avoid anyone from toppling their New World Order.
Does that clear things up a bit?
I'm not sure on it being true, but I'm keeping my ears open just in case this is the REAL history that has been kept in the dark.
Why would have make you uncomfortable? And why are you a Zionist?
As with all people there are good Jews and not so good Jews.
There is corruption in all countries, 'saving Israel for last' can mean many things.
We are very definitely a community which tries to follow Christ, those of us who are here honestly and not shills or agents or goofs. We are Judeo-Christians, or hold Judeo-Christian beliefs, absolutely. That can include others who are not necessarily accepting of Christ but who do hold to our ethics, not just Jews but Buddhists say, others who embrace our beliefs.
When you use the term 'zionism' many of us wonder what you mean, do you refer simply to an Israel which encompasses all of the lands God gave Israel?
The definition applied to zionism matters, is why I ask, zionism is not a pejorative until it is mis-used.
Yes there are a good number of nazi-wannabes who wander through, many of them use 'dragon' in their names somewheres. They represent satan, not zionists.
Zionists, most anyone who claims to be an 'ist' could be a zealot and so dangerous, but zion itself refers to greater Israel, to many of us Christians who make up the vast majority of Judeo-Christian populations anyhow. Means a different thing to nazi wannabes and commies.
Yeah, it is obviously possible to be both if we, you and I, define the terms the same way.
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The term Christian zionism is another false thing, it is used as a tool by misguided folks or Evil fooks.
The 'roots' of that which you would describe as Christian zionism is the Bible, and I explained zionsim earlier. 'You' and others seek to redefine words and terms, to taint them with Evil intent and ignore historical fact.
'I suggest' is arrogant, glowingly so.
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Q said "saving Israel for last". Thats not anti Semitism its just an order of operations. No amount of racism or bigotry is accepted here IME..... just like it should be.
https://qposts.online/post/1263
Think logically. Attack the world? Are the people of France to blame? Are the people to blame or the ruling class (leaders/controllers)? Apply leverage. Strategically. 1-by-1. Unity. Power shift. Rise of the people. WW. Not understood? Q
This work for every country, especially the US and what will be saved for last.
“ Unity. Power shift. Rise of the people. WW.”
If the full truth was revealed to everyone at the same time without any room for doubt, everyone (besides the 4-6%) will unite against the “fewer than you think” threat.
There will likely be 4-6% of all varieties of backgrounds that deny the information revealed; however, since the information is such beyond reasonable doubt, there will not be any lawful penalty for denial ;)
I agree 💯 OP. 👍👍
Okay, to clarify, I'm not utilizing antisemitism as a dogwhistle, in fact it's literally the last point in the post, but I am concerned about an anti-Israel stance here. I respect people's right to their stances here, I just want to be sure that my beliefs do not run counter to what is espoused here.
In a sense, your way of thinking does indeed run counter to what is espoused here: independent thought. Why are you concerned about other people's thoughts here? On this site people are trying to make sense of the events happening across the world, through the lens of the Q drops. Every day, we try to filter the truth from the lies, and most importantly, we have to learn how to change our beliefs and predictions in light of new evidence. If there's an anti-Israel sentiment, perhaps try to understand why that might be, what evidence that might be based on, and perhaps post why you think they might be wrong, and how to reinterpret that evidence.
Under the phrase, "to associate myself with a movement," belies a way of thinking common with modern political discourse (largely but not only on "the left"), whereby you cannot talk to or mingle with people you disagree with, lest you be shamed, ridiculed, deplatformed and cancelled. I would think the vast majority here (minus the glowing ones) would agree that this "guilt by association" mindset that is very prevalent in the mainstream now, is extremely harmful.
This post reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Lisa decides she's Buddhist, and therefore can't celebrate Christmas, until later she's told Buddhists can celebrate Christmas after all, so she does. If she actually knew of the "beliefs" she adopted, she'd already know that, but instead, she adopted someone else's beliefs wholesale without fully understanding them You are responsible for your own beliefs, not other people. This isn't a club to join and obey the charter of. Don't ask people what to think. Read the Q drops and come to your own conclusions. Beliefs you form yourself are the strongest, because you understand them and can defend them. (But always accept you might be wrong!) Good luck on your search for truth.
Well said.