When yet another foreigner, like the numerous Canadians and a few South Africans, get involved in our politics that they know nothing about. Not even when the election is held. Sad.
At first this seemed far fetched, but the more I think about it the more it seems like this would be the only way.
Trump wins first term. Goal 1: Show the world what a real president in looks like. Goal 2: Swim around in the swamp to figure how he could drain it.
Well I'm sure it quickly became obvious that he couldn't drain the swamp without public consequences. So what to do? The answer: Make the hard decisions when it can't be blamed on you.
Imagine if getting out of Afghanistan like we did was the right call and critical to drawing the swamp, how could Trump have truly accomplished that as president without crazy backlash? It needed to be done when he was isolated from it.
If this is all true then it doesn't matter if Trump gets back in office now, next year, or 2024, so long as the dirty work gets done first. We just gotta keep hoping that a lot more is going on behind the scenes than we know about.
Makes sense I came to a similar conclusion recently. Basically Texas SCOTUS election challenge was correct in that people having no authority to change election rules changed them. So the election wasn't exactly legitimate/legal in many areas meaning Biden didn't win and neither did Trump. I don't know what happens next though...
So, there's two things about that. 1) a lot of the talk about precedent set by Lincoln doing stuff that was clearly extra-consititutional if not totally unconstitutional, and the 'extraordinary powers' of the president in times of war, leads me to believe that Trump could've simply extended his term. I'll admit that it's pretty arbitrary, kind of "ok, laws are suspended and we'll do what's necessary," not to mention poor optics, but I still think it's a possibility.
The constitution allowed congress to regulate succession, and congressional acts have provided for the line of succession to go to the cabinet members, with the first one in line being the Secretary of State. With the current congress being illegitimate (ruling out both Pelosi and Leahy from the line of succession), and the terms of Trump and Pence ending, that would leave Pompeo as US President. The cabinet officers don't have a legally defined end-of-term date like the president, as they typically hand in a resignation letter to the incoming president, so they stay in office even while administrations change, and before new cabinet members get senate approval. (Yes, he's moonlighting as a Fox commentator, but there's no law against that.) I tried to find a resignation letter from Pompeo and couldn't find it, and he also had a weird tweet about "transitioning to a new role" near the end of the Trump admin. I've always liked this theory.
Disclaimer: I haven't gone too deep into this, so it's entirely possible that he resigned after I stopped looking (but maybe after becoming president!), and maybe there is a law I didn't see that ends the term of cabinet officers by statute. If other people want to dig, please do so. But I like this theory, and have always trusted Kansas.
Not claiming to be the first, but it was an obscure fork. It may be impossible to ever find out, but in all the tumult between the 6th and the 20th of January, at one point I thought that Pence resigned early, allowing Trump to appoint Pompeo as VP. (Technically he could do an interim appointment of anyone to any vacancy after the previous Senate session ended. Actually, using a resignation of the SOS and a secret interim appointment, even Richard Grinnell could be president now.) But that would be pointless unless he could be both VP and Scty of State at the same time. I still like the Pompeo is President theory, but unfortunately it's pointless to speculate when it's still a secret now, and the truth will eventually be public.
The terms "regent" or "successor" are not a part of the US's political language, so while I understand what you mean, I'm sure he won't have used those terms.
The constitution allowed congress to regulate succession, and congressional acts have provided for the line of succession to go to the cabinet members, with the first one in line being the Secretary of State. With the current congress being illegitimate (ruling out both Pelosi and Leahy from the line of succession), and the terms of Trump and Pence ending, that would leave Pompeo as US President.
There is a flaw in this line of thinking. First, you're saying that Congress was illegitimate, but in the case of Leahy, he was last elected to his Senate seat in 2016 with 28 point margin of victory, and while that election may possibly have been fraudulent, it would be foolish to just assume it and state it as fact.
Secondly, assuming Pelosi had also been deemed illegitimately elected, and assuming that the Senators elected in 2020 were also illegitimate, we would have to assume that there was some kind of 'Shadow Senate' in operation, comprised of those Senators who were elected in 2018 and 2016, along with any secretly appointed by legitimately elected state governors. SO assuming all that, we may not know if there's a secret Senate pro-tem. And the more we go down this path, the more ridiculous it gets even talking about it. Nevertheless, I see no reason why the Senate would be unable to provide an acting president if the line of succession called for one...
UNLESS you consider that the entire Federal Government structure has been set aside, and we have no President or Legislature, but we do have an Executive in the form of FEMA director whose power derives from being in office during a legally declared emergency.
I was just assuming that enough of the congressional vote was tainted to compromise each of the chambers' vote for its leader. So even if Leahy is a legitimate senator, there wasn't enough of a legitimate Senate to designate him as president pro tempore, and same situation for Pelosi.
October?
When yet another foreigner, like the numerous Canadians and a few South Africans, get involved in our politics that they know nothing about. Not even when the election is held. Sad.
Please tell that to the people who have been effected by the Biden admins policies.
Yea if trump is acting president im currently staring down the barrel of an unemployment.
Yes I think we should say that there was no legal election.
At first this seemed far fetched, but the more I think about it the more it seems like this would be the only way.
Trump wins first term. Goal 1: Show the world what a real president in looks like. Goal 2: Swim around in the swamp to figure how he could drain it.
Well I'm sure it quickly became obvious that he couldn't drain the swamp without public consequences. So what to do? The answer: Make the hard decisions when it can't be blamed on you.
Imagine if getting out of Afghanistan like we did was the right call and critical to drawing the swamp, how could Trump have truly accomplished that as president without crazy backlash? It needed to be done when he was isolated from it.
If this is all true then it doesn't matter if Trump gets back in office now, next year, or 2024, so long as the dirty work gets done first. We just gotta keep hoping that a lot more is going on behind the scenes than we know about.
Interesting to think about...
Bro. I'm an Aussie, and even I know the fraudulent election was held on November 3... wtf is this October crap?
Makes sense I came to a similar conclusion recently. Basically Texas SCOTUS election challenge was correct in that people having no authority to change election rules changed them. So the election wasn't exactly legitimate/legal in many areas meaning Biden didn't win and neither did Trump. I don't know what happens next though...
So, there's two things about that. 1) a lot of the talk about precedent set by Lincoln doing stuff that was clearly extra-consititutional if not totally unconstitutional, and the 'extraordinary powers' of the president in times of war, leads me to believe that Trump could've simply extended his term. I'll admit that it's pretty arbitrary, kind of "ok, laws are suspended and we'll do what's necessary," not to mention poor optics, but I still think it's a possibility.
Disclaimer: I haven't gone too deep into this, so it's entirely possible that he resigned after I stopped looking (but maybe after becoming president!), and maybe there is a law I didn't see that ends the term of cabinet officers by statute. If other people want to dig, please do so. But I like this theory, and have always trusted Kansas.
Not claiming to be the first, but it was an obscure fork. It may be impossible to ever find out, but in all the tumult between the 6th and the 20th of January, at one point I thought that Pence resigned early, allowing Trump to appoint Pompeo as VP. (Technically he could do an interim appointment of anyone to any vacancy after the previous Senate session ended. Actually, using a resignation of the SOS and a secret interim appointment, even Richard Grinnell could be president now.) But that would be pointless unless he could be both VP and Scty of State at the same time. I still like the Pompeo is President theory, but unfortunately it's pointless to speculate when it's still a secret now, and the truth will eventually be public.
The terms "regent" or "successor" are not a part of the US's political language, so while I understand what you mean, I'm sure he won't have used those terms.
There is a flaw in this line of thinking. First, you're saying that Congress was illegitimate, but in the case of Leahy, he was last elected to his Senate seat in 2016 with 28 point margin of victory, and while that election may possibly have been fraudulent, it would be foolish to just assume it and state it as fact.
Secondly, assuming Pelosi had also been deemed illegitimately elected, and assuming that the Senators elected in 2020 were also illegitimate, we would have to assume that there was some kind of 'Shadow Senate' in operation, comprised of those Senators who were elected in 2018 and 2016, along with any secretly appointed by legitimately elected state governors. SO assuming all that, we may not know if there's a secret Senate pro-tem. And the more we go down this path, the more ridiculous it gets even talking about it. Nevertheless, I see no reason why the Senate would be unable to provide an acting president if the line of succession called for one...
UNLESS you consider that the entire Federal Government structure has been set aside, and we have no President or Legislature, but we do have an Executive in the form of FEMA director whose power derives from being in office during a legally declared emergency.
I was just assuming that enough of the congressional vote was tainted to compromise each of the chambers' vote for its leader. So even if Leahy is a legitimate senator, there wasn't enough of a legitimate Senate to designate him as president pro tempore, and same situation for Pelosi.
De facto vs. or including de jure.