You conveniently sidestepped all of my questions. If you really understood FE and believed it, you should have the ability to at least give a brief explanation.
I already DID check it out, and found the FE explanation to be lacking. That's why I asked.
You've simply got to do your own research. It's clear you're just listening to FE debunks and parroting their attempts to debunk.
You took the coward's way out, and it appears you know nothing that would explain the FE model in any rational way.
You provided NO ANSWERS.
Revolution speed - You read some strange disinfo here. This is a globie claim, not an FE claim. Obviously!
No, it is NOT a globie claim. I got that DIRECTLY from someone who is a FE'er. He said that if Earth were a globe, then there is no way that the equator could spin at a different speed than the poles.
My response to that claim is to explain how a basketball does exactly this.
Seasons - You'll have to learn the FE model and the sun transiting from the Tropic of Cancer to Tropic of Capricorn --- makes perfect sense.
I asked how does a FE'er explain the changing of the seasons. I already understand how it works for a globe model.
I have no need to go searching for answers, when you are here, as an expert. This is especially true if the search engines hide the "good stuff."
Provide an answer. You don't seem to understand your own belief.
You evaded that question and refused to answer. That makes you seem intellectually dishonest.
The globie eclipse explanation has been thoroughly debunked - both solar and lunar make no sense in the globie model.
Explain the "illusion" if you think that's what it is.
"Debunked" is the coward's way out of an honest debate. If I said that Flat Earth had already been debunked, and that is the end of the discussion, would you accept that as a fact?
Stop being lazy. You come across as intellectually dishonest, and likely spreading disinformation on purpose.
At the very least, you seem to have NO IDEA why you, yourself, believe in FE.
That is more than a little odd. You don't even try to back up anything you believe in?
That's the sign of a disinfo agent.
Put up with some of your own words to explain it, or be dismissed as a shill.
He just opened all the doors for you, quit being lazy and expecting people to spoon feed you information. Just gave you the name of 4 different channels you can look up and find your answers there. Some things just can't be explained easily without visual representation.
Anyone who really believes it -- including you -- should be able to give a simple explanation in their own words. If they can't, then they don't really understand what they are talking about.
Nobody is going to go on a wild goose chase to learn about something when there is NO BASIC INFO PRESENTED to explain some basic concepts.
I have already taken a peek down that rabbit hole, and found there was nothing in it.
Prove me wrong. Provide SOME basic answer to basic questions.
If you can't, then the conclusion is you don't really know what you're talking about.
I could give simple, short answers to why the 9/11 narrative is likely false, or the Moon landing might be false, or the 2020 election was stolen. They would not be complete answers, but I could list some basics for any doubter to decide if they would want to check it out more.
Saying NOTHING -- which is what both of you have done -- just demonstrates you don't really know.
Clearly you haven't been down the right rabbit hole if you don't know the answers to your questions. I can give you a video that perfectly explains your questions. I'm not going to waste my time explaining something to someone who isn't even going to be able to understand wtf I'm actually talking about because you clearly have your own idea of what flat earth is and you'll use your dumb ass model to fit my explanation on which would of course confuse the fuck out of you. I'm not going to write a fucking novel trying to paint a picture for you with words.
Classic! A perfect example of “I don’t understand it but I WANT it to be true.” All of this misdirection of “you do your own research” is a classic montra uttered by those who cannot honestly back up their claims, they say it because when they write out whatever joke of an explanation they have been told, they begin to recognize the holes in their “theory”. It’s easier to cover their ears and close there eyes and pretend no one asked the question then give a succinct answer.
LOL, I'm disinfo agent? And I'm a coward too? Ad hominem attacks aimed at the messenger are the signs of disinfo agents. You should be aware of that if you're here. Perhaps you are projecting?
The problem with writing words to skeptics is that they have no effect. I've tried many times in the past.
Do you have an open mind? Are you interested in learning or are you out searching for reasons to maintain your present beliefs? It makes all the difference in the world. Here are some brief answers for you to evaluate.
Sphere rotation: Which FE'er told you the globe doesn't spin at different speeds? Name him/her please. All the people I listed make no such claim. There are dozens of "fake" FE'ers out there - it's a mine field. I listed 3 of the best. None of them make such a claim.
Seasons - On the FE model, the sun transits annually back and forth from the Tropic of Cancer to Tropic of Capricorn. The equator is the halfway point between the transits - hence this region doesn't experience seasons. When the sun is nearest the Tropic of Cancer, the northern hemisphere has warmer weather, the southern cooler. And vice versa when the sun draws nearest to the Tropic of Capricorn. If you don't understand the FE model, you need to watch some videos to see what it looks like.
Solar Eclipses - The solar eclipse is simple to explain. As both the sun and moon are roughly 3300 miles away (not 225,000 and 93,000,000 miles away), sometimes the moon moves in front of the sun and eclipses it. This is not complicated Ancient civilizations knew this thousands of years ago. Our NASA experts still use the ancient methods of calculations to predict them both.
Lunar Eclipses - This is a more complex explanation. There are several videos of the lunar eclipse where the rising sun can be seen in the distance while the lunar eclipse is occurring. That would be impossible in the globe model as the sun is alleged to be directly "behind" the earth casting the earth's shadow on the moon. Again, you can watch these videos and evaluate for yourself. How can you witness the lunar eclipse and yet also be able to see the rising sun within the same frame of reference? I happen to believe in the existence of something long called "The black sun". It's a stretch for a noob to even entertain this idea, so I don't explain it often. There's a video of a free mason demonstrating the entire FE model including the influence of the black sun. Very interesting, but impossible to prove at this stage
Moon phases - The moon is self-luminous. Very simple. It's impossible for a sphere to be a "reflective body". You can test this for yourself with say a silver ball. Any bright light aimed at it will cause the light to be condensed to a small point, much like a magnifying glass reflecting bright sun. Also, the "black sun" influences the phases as well.
The FE model doesn't believe the sun, moon (or planets and stars) are flying rocks in outer space held in orbit by phantom gravity. That's the first hurdle you'll have to contemplate. In ancient times, all the planets were known as "wandering stars". Every picture you've ever seen by NASA are "images", never "photographs". They are CGI "artist renderings". NASA reluctantly admits this on all but two images - 1972 "blue marble" and 2003 ISS image. Sadly, the two "images" don't even resemble one another. Again, you can go watch and see for yourself. Are the sun and moon lights? Light sources of something elsewhere? Are they plasmas of some sort? We don't know. We don't have a $53Million dollar a day budget to know for sure.
Frankly, we should have MILLIONS of images and videos of earth "rotating and floating in space" if the globe model were true. The globie argument is that the ISS isn't far enough "out there" to take full pictures/videos like the alleged Apollo missions. But yet, they can allegedly take pictures of Jupiter, Mars, Saturn, Neptune, etc. with their supposed "Hubble Telescope". Well which is it? If Hubble is far enough "out there", it could be easily turned back toward Earth and thousands of pictures and videos could be produced. But there are none.
You can watch alleged ISS missions of astronauts doing their various "space walks" with an apparent Earth rotating in the background. If you go critically watch these, you'll see virtually no "land" and essentially a blue ball mostly covered in white clouds the entire time. They're just pure nonsense CGI. It's so obvious once you watch with a critical eye.
Anyway - there are your short answers from a non-agent, non-coward, honest FE researcher. The FE'ers don't have all the answers. As with virtually any "conspiracy theory", we can determine what is NOT TRUE, but we can't always tell you what IS TRUE simply because that information is hidden from the masses.
Just one: the moon is not a shiny ball. It's a rough ball of material that is close to white. I've looked at it through a very good telescope, and it was basically spherical and looked a lot like a ball of plaster. I could see that the center was closer and the surface curved around. I could see individual craters and see that they were curved around at the edges of the face I was looking at.
Because of the irregularities of motion, we can actually see more than half of the moon. Sometimes we see more towards one edge than the other. There are photos to prove this. Anyone can buy a good telescope and document it for themselves.
Lies? Most of that missive were guesses, estimates, probable theories. Once again, we know what is NOT true, but have to do a lot of theorizing as to what is true. One thing is certain, what we've been told are outright lies and deceptions from the "experts" and "authorities". The list is endless.
It's the convexity of the an actual ball/sphere that is NOT reflective in nature.
The story of the "dark side of the moon" is just too improbably "perfect" to make any sense. It's like the "perfect" story that the moon is 400 times closer than the sun and just fortunately, also 400 times smaller. That's a "story" that's not even close to have ever been proven. It's far easier to use your own eyes and notice that they both appear to be relatively the same size and distance from us.
And further, knowing all the 3-letter and 4-letter agencies that are lying, I can't for a moment trust NASA. They haven't earned it.
Oh dear. Please tell me you can see that every image is distorted with a fish eye lens. This alone practically proves they are covering up the flat earth.
Okay, why couldn’t I see it without binoculars? Also a fish eye lens doesn’t eliminate portions of the image, it’s distorts them. You should still be able to see the Vegas skyline in the bottom of the lens if the earth was flat.
Watch it again and look how many cuts they make in the video just in that minute (6-7 mark). Why? As for the beginning part, they aren't any higher up in that shot than what you'd see from an airplane right there. Easy to spot. Also, the use of the "fish-eye lens" in a couple "cuts" later gives the appearance of curvature, where none exists.
In fairness, we should have thousands of CONTINUOUS, uncut, unedited videos of the ISS orbiting the earth where we can easily identify each landmass, each continent, etc. The ISS allegedly orbits the entire earth roughly every 90 minutes. They could produce 15 one-orbit videos a day - ad infinitum. But they don't for some reason?
The old sea-faring captains in days of yore estimated the sun and moon were approximately 3000 miles away. That's how they calibrated their sextants to navigate the high seas. In more recent times, a mysterious video was released by an alleged free mason and he stated they were both 3300 miles away (there's that "33") and that their diameters were each 32 miles. I think you can find that video on David Weiss' DITRH or "Flat Earth, Sun, Moon and Zodiac App" YT channels mentioned above.
And you honestly think the sun is only 32 miles diameter? What is evidence for that outside of some nobody Freemason (which is glorified social club, trust me I’d know)
You conveniently sidestepped all of my questions. If you really understood FE and believed it, you should have the ability to at least give a brief explanation.
I already DID check it out, and found the FE explanation to be lacking. That's why I asked.
You took the coward's way out, and it appears you know nothing that would explain the FE model in any rational way.
You provided NO ANSWERS.
No, it is NOT a globie claim. I got that DIRECTLY from someone who is a FE'er. He said that if Earth were a globe, then there is no way that the equator could spin at a different speed than the poles.
My response to that claim is to explain how a basketball does exactly this.
I asked how does a FE'er explain the changing of the seasons. I already understand how it works for a globe model.
I have no need to go searching for answers, when you are here, as an expert. This is especially true if the search engines hide the "good stuff."
Provide an answer. You don't seem to understand your own belief.
You evaded that question and refused to answer. That makes you seem intellectually dishonest.
Explain the "illusion" if you think that's what it is.
"Debunked" is the coward's way out of an honest debate. If I said that Flat Earth had already been debunked, and that is the end of the discussion, would you accept that as a fact?
Stop being lazy. You come across as intellectually dishonest, and likely spreading disinformation on purpose.
At the very least, you seem to have NO IDEA why you, yourself, believe in FE.
That is more than a little odd. You don't even try to back up anything you believe in?
That's the sign of a disinfo agent.
Put up with some of your own words to explain it, or be dismissed as a shill.
He just opened all the doors for you, quit being lazy and expecting people to spoon feed you information. Just gave you the name of 4 different channels you can look up and find your answers there. Some things just can't be explained easily without visual representation.
No, he sidestepped the questions.
Anyone who really believes it -- including you -- should be able to give a simple explanation in their own words. If they can't, then they don't really understand what they are talking about.
Nobody is going to go on a wild goose chase to learn about something when there is NO BASIC INFO PRESENTED to explain some basic concepts.
I have already taken a peek down that rabbit hole, and found there was nothing in it.
Prove me wrong. Provide SOME basic answer to basic questions.
If you can't, then the conclusion is you don't really know what you're talking about.
I could give simple, short answers to why the 9/11 narrative is likely false, or the Moon landing might be false, or the 2020 election was stolen. They would not be complete answers, but I could list some basics for any doubter to decide if they would want to check it out more.
Saying NOTHING -- which is what both of you have done -- just demonstrates you don't really know.
Clearly you haven't been down the right rabbit hole if you don't know the answers to your questions. I can give you a video that perfectly explains your questions. I'm not going to waste my time explaining something to someone who isn't even going to be able to understand wtf I'm actually talking about because you clearly have your own idea of what flat earth is and you'll use your dumb ass model to fit my explanation on which would of course confuse the fuck out of you. I'm not going to write a fucking novel trying to paint a picture for you with words.
Classic! A perfect example of “I don’t understand it but I WANT it to be true.” All of this misdirection of “you do your own research” is a classic montra uttered by those who cannot honestly back up their claims, they say it because when they write out whatever joke of an explanation they have been told, they begin to recognize the holes in their “theory”. It’s easier to cover their ears and close there eyes and pretend no one asked the question then give a succinct answer.
This.
LOL, I'm disinfo agent? And I'm a coward too? Ad hominem attacks aimed at the messenger are the signs of disinfo agents. You should be aware of that if you're here. Perhaps you are projecting?
The problem with writing words to skeptics is that they have no effect. I've tried many times in the past.
Do you have an open mind? Are you interested in learning or are you out searching for reasons to maintain your present beliefs? It makes all the difference in the world. Here are some brief answers for you to evaluate.
Sphere rotation: Which FE'er told you the globe doesn't spin at different speeds? Name him/her please. All the people I listed make no such claim. There are dozens of "fake" FE'ers out there - it's a mine field. I listed 3 of the best. None of them make such a claim.
Seasons - On the FE model, the sun transits annually back and forth from the Tropic of Cancer to Tropic of Capricorn. The equator is the halfway point between the transits - hence this region doesn't experience seasons. When the sun is nearest the Tropic of Cancer, the northern hemisphere has warmer weather, the southern cooler. And vice versa when the sun draws nearest to the Tropic of Capricorn. If you don't understand the FE model, you need to watch some videos to see what it looks like.
Solar Eclipses - The solar eclipse is simple to explain. As both the sun and moon are roughly 3300 miles away (not 225,000 and 93,000,000 miles away), sometimes the moon moves in front of the sun and eclipses it. This is not complicated Ancient civilizations knew this thousands of years ago. Our NASA experts still use the ancient methods of calculations to predict them both.
Lunar Eclipses - This is a more complex explanation. There are several videos of the lunar eclipse where the rising sun can be seen in the distance while the lunar eclipse is occurring. That would be impossible in the globe model as the sun is alleged to be directly "behind" the earth casting the earth's shadow on the moon. Again, you can watch these videos and evaluate for yourself. How can you witness the lunar eclipse and yet also be able to see the rising sun within the same frame of reference? I happen to believe in the existence of something long called "The black sun". It's a stretch for a noob to even entertain this idea, so I don't explain it often. There's a video of a free mason demonstrating the entire FE model including the influence of the black sun. Very interesting, but impossible to prove at this stage
Moon phases - The moon is self-luminous. Very simple. It's impossible for a sphere to be a "reflective body". You can test this for yourself with say a silver ball. Any bright light aimed at it will cause the light to be condensed to a small point, much like a magnifying glass reflecting bright sun. Also, the "black sun" influences the phases as well.
The FE model doesn't believe the sun, moon (or planets and stars) are flying rocks in outer space held in orbit by phantom gravity. That's the first hurdle you'll have to contemplate. In ancient times, all the planets were known as "wandering stars". Every picture you've ever seen by NASA are "images", never "photographs". They are CGI "artist renderings". NASA reluctantly admits this on all but two images - 1972 "blue marble" and 2003 ISS image. Sadly, the two "images" don't even resemble one another. Again, you can go watch and see for yourself. Are the sun and moon lights? Light sources of something elsewhere? Are they plasmas of some sort? We don't know. We don't have a $53Million dollar a day budget to know for sure.
Frankly, we should have MILLIONS of images and videos of earth "rotating and floating in space" if the globe model were true. The globie argument is that the ISS isn't far enough "out there" to take full pictures/videos like the alleged Apollo missions. But yet, they can allegedly take pictures of Jupiter, Mars, Saturn, Neptune, etc. with their supposed "Hubble Telescope". Well which is it? If Hubble is far enough "out there", it could be easily turned back toward Earth and thousands of pictures and videos could be produced. But there are none.
You can watch alleged ISS missions of astronauts doing their various "space walks" with an apparent Earth rotating in the background. If you go critically watch these, you'll see virtually no "land" and essentially a blue ball mostly covered in white clouds the entire time. They're just pure nonsense CGI. It's so obvious once you watch with a critical eye.
Anyway - there are your short answers from a non-agent, non-coward, honest FE researcher. The FE'ers don't have all the answers. As with virtually any "conspiracy theory", we can determine what is NOT TRUE, but we can't always tell you what IS TRUE simply because that information is hidden from the masses.
Too many lies to document them all.
Just one: the moon is not a shiny ball. It's a rough ball of material that is close to white. I've looked at it through a very good telescope, and it was basically spherical and looked a lot like a ball of plaster. I could see that the center was closer and the surface curved around. I could see individual craters and see that they were curved around at the edges of the face I was looking at.
Because of the irregularities of motion, we can actually see more than half of the moon. Sometimes we see more towards one edge than the other. There are photos to prove this. Anyone can buy a good telescope and document it for themselves.
Lies? Most of that missive were guesses, estimates, probable theories. Once again, we know what is NOT true, but have to do a lot of theorizing as to what is true. One thing is certain, what we've been told are outright lies and deceptions from the "experts" and "authorities". The list is endless.
It's the convexity of the an actual ball/sphere that is NOT reflective in nature.
The story of the "dark side of the moon" is just too improbably "perfect" to make any sense. It's like the "perfect" story that the moon is 400 times closer than the sun and just fortunately, also 400 times smaller. That's a "story" that's not even close to have ever been proven. It's far easier to use your own eyes and notice that they both appear to be relatively the same size and distance from us.
And further, knowing all the 3-letter and 4-letter agencies that are lying, I can't for a moment trust NASA. They haven't earned it.
Have you ever even seen a telescope? Do you know what one is? You can look at the moon and see that it's spherical. No theory involved.
Lying by anyone on earth has zero to do with what actually is.
So I don’t know about you, but at 6 minute mark in this video, I sure see a lot land…
Space Walk YouTube
Also, why do you think the sun is only 3,300 miles away? What method of measurement confirms that?
Oh dear. Please tell me you can see that every image is distorted with a fish eye lens. This alone practically proves they are covering up the flat earth.
Okay, why couldn’t I see it without binoculars? Also a fish eye lens doesn’t eliminate portions of the image, it’s distorts them. You should still be able to see the Vegas skyline in the bottom of the lens if the earth was flat.
Watch it again and look how many cuts they make in the video just in that minute (6-7 mark). Why? As for the beginning part, they aren't any higher up in that shot than what you'd see from an airplane right there. Easy to spot. Also, the use of the "fish-eye lens" in a couple "cuts" later gives the appearance of curvature, where none exists.
In fairness, we should have thousands of CONTINUOUS, uncut, unedited videos of the ISS orbiting the earth where we can easily identify each landmass, each continent, etc. The ISS allegedly orbits the entire earth roughly every 90 minutes. They could produce 15 one-orbit videos a day - ad infinitum. But they don't for some reason?
The old sea-faring captains in days of yore estimated the sun and moon were approximately 3000 miles away. That's how they calibrated their sextants to navigate the high seas. In more recent times, a mysterious video was released by an alleged free mason and he stated they were both 3300 miles away (there's that "33") and that their diameters were each 32 miles. I think you can find that video on David Weiss' DITRH or "Flat Earth, Sun, Moon and Zodiac App" YT channels mentioned above.
Prove they’re only as high as an airplane.
And you honestly think the sun is only 32 miles diameter? What is evidence for that outside of some nobody Freemason (which is glorified social club, trust me I’d know)