I hear a lot of people use this logic. Everyone who took the vaccine is fine so whats the problem? Does that feel like a logical way to think? Not worry about whether the vaccines are actually effective at all or not? Not worried about long term safety issues? Not worried about ADE when the flu season actually hits? Not worried that almost all around the world with large vaccination numbers, majority of people being hospitalised for covid are actually vaccined?
But most importantly, not worried to make a decision about something about which free exchange of information is being actively suppressed?
Yep. People's personal experiences will trump anything VAERS or Drs say.
I have a liberal acquaintance who simply refuses to believe there could possibly be anything wrong with the vaccines, because several people he knew died in the hospital of "covid", but no one has had any bad reactions to the jab around him.
Doesn't matter what I send him, his personal experience trumps everything.
There are a lot of people with a variety of agendas pushing negative stories about the vax. I could easily construct a similar narrative that would convince you that air travel is totally unsafe. Secret reports from Boeing, photos of crash sites, warped statistics. Heck, I could even do the same to convince you that driving is totally unsafe. Or eating meat. Or using shampoo. The fact is, literally millions of independent doctors around the world are in support of the vax. The only valid argument against it is that it is untried/untested; that I will accept. But misinterpreting VAERS data and showing 'tentacled monsters' in the vax doesn't cut it for me.
"Most Importantly" - the mantra of the anti-vax crowd here seems to be that we 'vaxxed' are 'living in fear'. This thread (and hundreds like it) are proof of the opposite - the unvaxxed are living in total fear of a harmless vaccine, while we 'vaxxed' are happily going about our lives taking full advantage of science and medicine.
I could easily construct a similar narrative that would convince you that air travel is totally unsafe
Funnily you made my point. Just like you can prove flying and driving unsafe by selectively focusing on certain stats, you can do the same to prove Covid-19 is dangerous. And thats exactly what they did to push their vaxx, and u fell for it, even though u understood this technique.
the mantra of the anti-vax crowd here seems to be that we 'vaxxed' are 'living in fear'
we couldnt care how the vaxxed are living as long as they dont involve us in their stupidity. We do however care for them to be safe, since a lot of our friends and family are vaxxed.
Just like you can prove flying and driving unsafe by selectively focusing on certain stats, you can do the same to prove Covid-19 is dangerous. And thats exactly what they did to push their vaxx, and u fell for it, even though u understood this technique.
Right. Both sides (of the argument) are playing the same game. So you can 'prove' the vax is dangerous, I can 'prove' Covid is dangerous. So ultimately, it comes down to a choice. I'm willing to go with the decision of literally millions of professional, independent doctors. Don't get me wrong - I HATE big pharma and don't trust them, but I do trust the medical profession as a whole because it is made up of individuals like you and me.
but I do trust the medical profession as a whole because it is made up of individuals like you and me.
I decided to make a separate reply for this because I think this is VERY IMPORTANT. I understand completely what you mean by this. My own parents, inlaws, brother, and other extended family - everyone of them who understand how evil Big Pharma is, feel the same way as well - how can medical profession as a whole be lying to us? For what purpose?
I want to address the second part first. Is it made up of people like you and me? I dont know about you, but sadly they are not like me - and I dont mean that vainly, I mean it in a very specific way.
Two decades ago, I was in a very lucrative career on my way to the top echelons in silicon valley. But I gave up all that and left US simply because I was very disturbed by the morals of the high up people I kept meeting. This was before Big Tech became what it is now. While I did not know what these people were really up to, I knew they had no morals and no respect for general population.
If I were like these medical professionals, I would have had no qualms staying in and growing high, being one of the very same people in Big Tech who are censoring and oppressing us today. I quit all that, moved to Australia and live a simple life - because the very thought of being part of that crowd makes me want to throw up.
Now lets talk about the medical professionals. I asked my GP a few months ago about the vaccines and she said they are safe and she took it. I asked her whether she looked at any studies herself and she said she had no time for that but she trusted the community. Then I asked her whether alternatives works against Covid and she went quiet. She then whispered that she is not allowed to talk about that.
So firstly, this cog in the wheel is not adding any value of its own, since it trusts the Machine. So her being a medical professional adds no value to her assertion about the vaccine. But the more disturbing part - she is perfectly fine carrying on her profession while being threatened from openly discussing and expressing her opinions - which is a MUST for science.
I gave up everything for far less than that. I gave it all up for just a gut feeling that these people were not good. And she is actively allowing them to suppress her.
So no, these medical professionals are nothing like me (and I am guessing you).
Since you are on this site, you are probably open to looking for places outside mainstream-approved sources to confirm for yourself whether the medical profession is going along with the agenda of their own accord or are they coerced or are they just ignorant.
Find out how many medical professionals do not agree with the official narrative and what they are saying. Find out how many high profile doctors and scientists disagree with the narrative, and find out how many doctors have been successfully treating Covid without vaccines with very high success rates - we are talking about almost 100%.
Proving to yourself that you can indeed trust this medical profession and that they have not been hijacked is something you owe it to yourself.
So you can 'prove' the vax is dangerous, I can 'prove' Covid is dangerous
There is a subtle difference which I want to point out. Let me see if I can untangle this properly. Lets say for a second that our belief that "vax is dangerous" is wrong, and that it is infact just as safe as any average vaccine in history - does it make any difference in terms of whether I would take it or not?
Think about it for a second. Its not enough for a vaccine to be safe, it also needs to be effective AND it also needs to be necessary. It is clear now that vaccines are not necessary (so many doctors around the world have successfully treated Covid with alternate medicines - happy to elaborate if you dont believe me) and we also know its not effective (statistics around the world proves this, but so does Pfizer's own studies. Infact the original Pfizer clinical study used for EUA - if you take a look at it, you will see that it did not prove that the vaccines prevented hospitalisation or death of even a single person! And the efficacy determined in it was totally fraudulent - I am happy to explain if you dont believe this)
So, vaccines are niether effective nor necessary - so I dont even need to care whether they are safe or not.
I hear a lot of people use this logic. Everyone who took the vaccine is fine so whats the problem? Does that feel like a logical way to think? Not worry about whether the vaccines are actually effective at all or not? Not worried about long term safety issues? Not worried about ADE when the flu season actually hits? Not worried that almost all around the world with large vaccination numbers, majority of people being hospitalised for covid are actually vaccined?
But most importantly, not worried to make a decision about something about which free exchange of information is being actively suppressed?
Yep. People's personal experiences will trump anything VAERS or Drs say.
I have a liberal acquaintance who simply refuses to believe there could possibly be anything wrong with the vaccines, because several people he knew died in the hospital of "covid", but no one has had any bad reactions to the jab around him.
Doesn't matter what I send him, his personal experience trumps everything.
There are a lot of people with a variety of agendas pushing negative stories about the vax. I could easily construct a similar narrative that would convince you that air travel is totally unsafe. Secret reports from Boeing, photos of crash sites, warped statistics. Heck, I could even do the same to convince you that driving is totally unsafe. Or eating meat. Or using shampoo. The fact is, literally millions of independent doctors around the world are in support of the vax. The only valid argument against it is that it is untried/untested; that I will accept. But misinterpreting VAERS data and showing 'tentacled monsters' in the vax doesn't cut it for me.
"Most Importantly" - the mantra of the anti-vax crowd here seems to be that we 'vaxxed' are 'living in fear'. This thread (and hundreds like it) are proof of the opposite - the unvaxxed are living in total fear of a harmless vaccine, while we 'vaxxed' are happily going about our lives taking full advantage of science and medicine.
Funnily you made my point. Just like you can prove flying and driving unsafe by selectively focusing on certain stats, you can do the same to prove Covid-19 is dangerous. And thats exactly what they did to push their vaxx, and u fell for it, even though u understood this technique.
we couldnt care how the vaxxed are living as long as they dont involve us in their stupidity. We do however care for them to be safe, since a lot of our friends and family are vaxxed.
Right. Both sides (of the argument) are playing the same game. So you can 'prove' the vax is dangerous, I can 'prove' Covid is dangerous. So ultimately, it comes down to a choice. I'm willing to go with the decision of literally millions of professional, independent doctors. Don't get me wrong - I HATE big pharma and don't trust them, but I do trust the medical profession as a whole because it is made up of individuals like you and me.
I decided to make a separate reply for this because I think this is VERY IMPORTANT. I understand completely what you mean by this. My own parents, inlaws, brother, and other extended family - everyone of them who understand how evil Big Pharma is, feel the same way as well - how can medical profession as a whole be lying to us? For what purpose?
I want to address the second part first. Is it made up of people like you and me? I dont know about you, but sadly they are not like me - and I dont mean that vainly, I mean it in a very specific way.
Two decades ago, I was in a very lucrative career on my way to the top echelons in silicon valley. But I gave up all that and left US simply because I was very disturbed by the morals of the high up people I kept meeting. This was before Big Tech became what it is now. While I did not know what these people were really up to, I knew they had no morals and no respect for general population.
If I were like these medical professionals, I would have had no qualms staying in and growing high, being one of the very same people in Big Tech who are censoring and oppressing us today. I quit all that, moved to Australia and live a simple life - because the very thought of being part of that crowd makes me want to throw up.
Now lets talk about the medical professionals. I asked my GP a few months ago about the vaccines and she said they are safe and she took it. I asked her whether she looked at any studies herself and she said she had no time for that but she trusted the community. Then I asked her whether alternatives works against Covid and she went quiet. She then whispered that she is not allowed to talk about that.
So firstly, this cog in the wheel is not adding any value of its own, since it trusts the Machine. So her being a medical professional adds no value to her assertion about the vaccine. But the more disturbing part - she is perfectly fine carrying on her profession while being threatened from openly discussing and expressing her opinions - which is a MUST for science.
I gave up everything for far less than that. I gave it all up for just a gut feeling that these people were not good. And she is actively allowing them to suppress her.
So no, these medical professionals are nothing like me (and I am guessing you).
Since you are on this site, you are probably open to looking for places outside mainstream-approved sources to confirm for yourself whether the medical profession is going along with the agenda of their own accord or are they coerced or are they just ignorant.
Find out how many medical professionals do not agree with the official narrative and what they are saying. Find out how many high profile doctors and scientists disagree with the narrative, and find out how many doctors have been successfully treating Covid without vaccines with very high success rates - we are talking about almost 100%.
Proving to yourself that you can indeed trust this medical profession and that they have not been hijacked is something you owe it to yourself.
There is a subtle difference which I want to point out. Let me see if I can untangle this properly. Lets say for a second that our belief that "vax is dangerous" is wrong, and that it is infact just as safe as any average vaccine in history - does it make any difference in terms of whether I would take it or not?
Think about it for a second. Its not enough for a vaccine to be safe, it also needs to be effective AND it also needs to be necessary. It is clear now that vaccines are not necessary (so many doctors around the world have successfully treated Covid with alternate medicines - happy to elaborate if you dont believe me) and we also know its not effective (statistics around the world proves this, but so does Pfizer's own studies. Infact the original Pfizer clinical study used for EUA - if you take a look at it, you will see that it did not prove that the vaccines prevented hospitalisation or death of even a single person! And the efficacy determined in it was totally fraudulent - I am happy to explain if you dont believe this)
So, vaccines are niether effective nor necessary - so I dont even need to care whether they are safe or not.