I don't think "seeing things the way they are" is necessarily a sign of "intelligence".
I would be willing to bet that there are many people who are "more intelligent" than either of us but are not awake. In fact, in some cases "intelligence" might even be an obstacle to waking up.
Since you mention it, I will grant that some people are TOO intelligent IQ-wise to see things plainly. For a portion of my technical career, I worked at a large land-grant research university, and every single day I came into contact with exceptionally bright people who knew all there was to know about a single subject, but who were socially awkward, could not read the most simple social cues, and were captured by the Democrat Party as virtual prisoners. There were only a handful of faculty in my 7 years there who could be considered broadly educated and socially integrated people.... who insisted you call them by their first name (not "doctor so-and-so"), who had interesting outside interests like playing music or art, and who could make a joke and laugh at a joke.
Intelligence does have its limitations, we all know that. We sometimes mistake IQ for a working knowledge of how history and human dynamics really work, but most often the two things are mutually exclusive, at least among the high-IQ people I have worked with over the years.
And there are multiple intelligences. Someone who can tinker with cars may not be great at using computers. Someone who can code may not be able to learn how to play music by ear.
My point exactly. I knew some very highly educated dunces during my time in academe, but back when I worked in a purely engineering environment, those guys (and a few gals) were sharp and fun to work with.
Similar case: When I was in high school, I took an advanced chemistry course. The girl beside me was one of the top students in the school. We were doing lab work one day and she set a hot crucible on a piece of paper and caught it on fire. She completely froze and just stood there staring at this flaming piece of paper. I quickly grabbed some tongs, dumped the paper into the trough in front of us and turned on the water. The first words out of her mouth were, "How did you ever think to do that?" I was floored. Had she never played Rock, Paper, Scissors? Water puts out fire. End of story. <eyeroll>
I don't think "seeing things the way they are" is necessarily a sign of "intelligence".
I would be willing to bet that there are many people who are "more intelligent" than either of us but are not awake. In fact, in some cases "intelligence" might even be an obstacle to waking up.
Since you mention it, I will grant that some people are TOO intelligent IQ-wise to see things plainly. For a portion of my technical career, I worked at a large land-grant research university, and every single day I came into contact with exceptionally bright people who knew all there was to know about a single subject, but who were socially awkward, could not read the most simple social cues, and were captured by the Democrat Party as virtual prisoners. There were only a handful of faculty in my 7 years there who could be considered broadly educated and socially integrated people.... who insisted you call them by their first name (not "doctor so-and-so"), who had interesting outside interests like playing music or art, and who could make a joke and laugh at a joke.
Intelligence does have its limitations, we all know that. We sometimes mistake IQ for a working knowledge of how history and human dynamics really work, but most often the two things are mutually exclusive, at least among the high-IQ people I have worked with over the years.
There's a big difference between intelligence and wisdom. You don't necessarily have them both.
Intelligence means you have memorized most of their bullshit the way they want it memorized, and can spit it back at them.
Wisdom means you know it's bullshit.
And there are multiple intelligences. Someone who can tinker with cars may not be great at using computers. Someone who can code may not be able to learn how to play music by ear.
My point exactly. I knew some very highly educated dunces during my time in academe, but back when I worked in a purely engineering environment, those guys (and a few gals) were sharp and fun to work with.
Similar case: When I was in high school, I took an advanced chemistry course. The girl beside me was one of the top students in the school. We were doing lab work one day and she set a hot crucible on a piece of paper and caught it on fire. She completely froze and just stood there staring at this flaming piece of paper. I quickly grabbed some tongs, dumped the paper into the trough in front of us and turned on the water. The first words out of her mouth were, "How did you ever think to do that?" I was floored. Had she never played Rock, Paper, Scissors? Water puts out fire. End of story. <eyeroll>
Well stated Banjo, can relate more than I care to elaborate. Imagine most of "us" can
It might be intelligent, to stay out of a defining debate about the ability.