When I first saw this drop I went down so many rabbit holes...so much sauce in this post alone....😉
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Please also note that the Reaper uses a scythe, as you point out, and is "Father Time".
Father Time = Cronos. Cronos = Saturn. The symbol for Cronos is Kappa Rho, "KRo(nos)". He is often represented as a Cross, or with the Kappa Rho symbol (astrology).
This is why you see these symbols showing up in "both places". KRonos. KRoss. This is a very old symbol. So... did Catholics subvert the old symbol, or did worshippers of Cronos overtake the nascent Catholic Church? You can do your own research on that. I just got done with one of our "frens" completely losing his shit about this stuff on me yesterday. So... lol... I'm over it. Or DM me. :)
OK, that's interesting and some of it checks out, although I'm very picky about etymology. I did not know that the symbol for Saturn was based on "KP" for Kronos and merged with the extant scythe symbol, but that is backed up by Salmasius. We also know that Christ was represented by the chi-rho "XP" and variations. But cross, from Latin crux, comes from neither of these because C took the place of gamma in Greek, and CR was never used as an abbreviation for cross, and I don't think a theory that velar plosives followed by liquids have general mergence power would hold water.
I see that adding a crossbar to the KP scythe happened much later (same as adding a crossbar to IHC). It's more accurate to say that the devil is always blurring words and mixing etymologies to make the present look more like it's connected to his strands in the past rather than others; but a symbol is what the individual makes of it, and so to the pure all symbols are pure. The history of the dollar sign includes at least eight identifiable strands.
So I'd go with you on the second reaper (whom I identify as Auriga) being possibly Kronos with the scythe for the harvest of grapes. To your other questions, my link pointed out that the Christian cross builds on the proto-Semitic taw and the Nehushtan serpent, which are very old and point back to Genesis 3 as well, so it has an established divine line of symbolism that has never broken; similarly "Christ" (from the Greek word for anointing, Hebrew "Mashiach") is an established title by the time Jesus comes. Kronos, like Uranus and the occasional Greek identification with Chronos, is a corrupted version of the Father, as Zeus is a corrupted version of the Son. The abbreviation XP is much earlier than and not directly related to KP, though the development process is similar. So it could be said that XP (chi cross) and the scythe were both earlier exploitable symbols and KP was an attempt to merge these.
If we take Revelation as accurate 1st-century symbolism it clearly teaches that there are two users of the scythe and these are not merged (as the Grim Reaper symbol today merges them). There is no evidence that the use of XP or cross for one and the use of the scythe for the other were merged by or during the important syncretistic period in the 4th century. It seems that when the merger happened it would involve both your hypotheses, the Catholic segment of the church adopting the pagan scythe as if conquering it, and pagans infiltrating the later church as if worshipping Christ as if the pagan scythe.
It's true that some have trouble with this. Feel free to draw conclusions anywhere, or not, but the broader and more superficial the conclusion, the likelier it is to get challenged and the more superficial the challenge from others is likely to be. The truth of Jesus always has older roots than all rivals, which are always counterfeits.
Wonderful. I will read and re-read. And maybe also DM you. :)
My expertise is not in depth but in breadth. I see connections others might not see, perhaps. I have ranged far, and sometimes this is of use.
So I am always and everywhere reliant on someone with a depth of knowledge on topics like these.
"I see that adding a crossbar to the KP scythe happened much later (same as adding a crossbar to IHC). It's more accurate to say that the devil is always blurring words and mixing etymologies to make the present look more like it's connected to his strands in the past rather than others; but a symbol is what the individual makes of it, and so to the pure all symbols are pure. The history of the dollar sign includes at least eight identifiable strands."
I think I need an entire thread on this one. As I am not sure I agree, but of course am totally open to being wrong.
What are your thoughts on the Caduceus? I am being provocative, as I think there is some crazy stuff in there....
Here is my initial report on contrasts between the caduceus and the hexagram. To summarize, the caduceus is a mix between God's symbol going all the way back to Genesis 2-3, the snake in the tree, and the corruptions that happened later. Sometimes the devil uses the difference between one and two snakes as important, sometimes he blurs them, whatever he finds opportune for the era. So it's supposed to mean physical and spiritual healing but then is corrupted to mean whomever claims to have that power. John warned us five times that Big Pharma (his actual word, pharmakeia) rules the world.
Yes.
But. Also.
Double Helix.
DNA.
OK now I have inserted my mind virus, for the day.
Also, I hope you will agree that Odin is equivalent to Mercury. Mercury had the caduceus.
But Odin did not!
Right?
Heh.
Huginn and Muninn were two ravens who were Odin's eyes across the nine (Kundalini) realms. Every day those two ravens would fly down and then fly up to him, and give him a report.
Anyone who has ever watched a raven fly knows that they fly in big circular arcs, using the thermals wherever they can. So... two birds flying in circles around themselves down ... sure looks like a Caduceus to me.
"Hugin and Munin fly each day over the spacious earth. I fear for Hugin, that he come not back, yet more anxious am I for Munin."
Hugin(n): Thought
Munin(n): Mind/Memory
:)
Also, it is my view that a Hexagram is intended to be a 2D denotation of a cube, which in turn is a 3D denotation of a tesseract. "A hexagon is a cube".
<< Edit: Duh. I never went the next step. A tesseract denotes time travel. Or perhaps better described, "mastery over time and space". We see many uses of cubes and hexagons by Team Evil, to announce their power. >>
Also, "as above, so below". From the dumbass Satanists.
"To the pure all things are pure."
Nice.
I missed that in the original reading. Yes, I myself use that verse. I believe it says much.
Where do you go to trace movements like this? "Eight identifiable strands", for example?
I am not doubting you. Quite the contrary. And am asking to be empowered with those tools.
The Catholic Church came directly from the Roman Empire, and is filled with Paganist symbology and such....
So, yeah, your theory makes sense to me....
This Aligns with the Paganism in Christmas....
Easter....
Etc......
Easter: the use of eggs goes back to the Egyptian goddess of fertility/renewal, Ishtar. Perhaps. I do think this is accurate, but also I make allowances that it is not.
"Easter" itself could be a corruption of "Ishtar". Or a corruption of "Eostre" (more likely, it seems to me), the German goddess of light/life/renewal.
Rome = Saturnia.
To your point, the use of evergreen boughs to celebrate the Saturnalia around the December Solstice was the origin of our "Christmas Tree", it seems to me. My guess is they merged that with the Green Man tradition of the Germanic Tribes (The Green Man is, essentially [and simplifying], the God of the Wood).
Indeed even the idea of "Christmas Parties" stems from the Saturnalia,
Yes, well, IF we were to actually Observe Jesus' Birthday, we would need to know when it is that Shepherds bring in their flocks, before the winter snows....
In my estimation, that would be around the end of November, or possibly as early as the beginning of November, all depending upon the First snow of the season....
Correct. "Christmas" on December 25th is an observance of the Saturnalia and the Winter Solstice. Not the birth of Jesus.
Of course millions (billions?) treat it as a celebration of Jesus, and as such that is a good thing. But that celebration should be every day. Not December 25th.