Sorry, but Democrat created Lost Cause propaganda has no place in civilized society. Lincoln didn't "declare war on the south." Rebels made war upon the United States of America, in defense of the immoral institution of slavery. Lincoln fulfilled his constitutional duty to put down the insurrection and rebellion, to preserve the nation, to defend those Americans whose rights were being denied (not just slaves, but white Americans loyal to the Constitution). Yes, bankers benefited. Yes, they likely helped spur on the inevitable. But the question you should be asking, is who pushed the slaveholding elites to dupe the masses of poor whites in the deep south who didn't own slaves, to rebel, fight and die for an evil cause? The next question you should be asking is, WHY did said people agree to support said evil cause? Expand your thinking. Don't buy into the Democrat revisionist bullshit.
Every time I have looked deeper into the past, the more fuckery I have found. I presented a single point of view in that video. I never stated it as truth, but when you look there is a lot of corroborating evidence.
Your statements are the "official version" of events. Every single time I have looked at the official version of events I have found evidence of fraud upon deeper inspection.
Everyone really wants that one thing to hold on to from our learning that is "truth". Stop believing you know the truth of anything and just look at the evidence.
Calling evidence "Democrat created Lost Cause propaganda" to discredit it is in no way a refutation of the evidence itself, it is an attack on the presenter, which in this case has no basis in fact, or if it does, you have not presented any evidence to support that claim.
Expand your thinking.
I did not state that that video suggested the whole story. On the contrary I stated you needed to dig much deeper, especially in the laws (e.g. Organic Act of 1871, Coin Act of 1873, etc., etc.), and the economics (e.g. U.S. debt burden, inflation data, housing cost data, GDP, etc., etc.).
You suggesting that my intent was to present that video as a meaningful end to an argument is a fallacy of argument. That was explicitly stated as not my intent.
I presented evidence against the official narrative (which you espouse). There is more than just that one point of view to corroborate the evidence I presented. The Civil War didn't just "benefit the Bankers". It was literally the end of America by ALL counts. We were no longer a collection of sovereign states after the War, in effect, and to an extent by law (because we exist under Common Law and thus precedence was established by the war). The war caused us to turn into a single government over vassal states directly afterwards. This was the complete destruction of the intent of the Constitution.
It wasn't just the most massive economic burden, through loans to Rothschilds and English Banks far beyond anything previous because of the war (from which we never recovered), it was the literal destruction of the intent of the DoI and Constitution. Not just soon after, but during and forever after the Civil War.
Stop needing heroes, or truths. Look at evidence. The need for heroes and truths causes you to find them in places they don't actually exist.
Sorry, but the narrative in that one video you posted, is Lost Cause propaganda bullshit that has been debunked time and time and time again. Check my post history and you should find several instances where I've discussed the Rebellion of 1860 in depth, addressing the Democrat lies alluded to by multiple Q posts, with substantial evidence.
While I don't intend to claim an appeal to authority, my masters is in American History, with specialization in the Revolutionary period and the Civil War. I taught multiple classes at the college level covering Sectionalism, the Civil War and Reconstruction. I'd happily walk you through that content.
Whatever bad happened as a result of the failed rebellion, could have been avoided had the rebels not rebelled. The results were the consequences of the cause initiated by those who rebelled against the United States because they bought into bullshit fear mongering over a man who had yet to even take office, and a political party that had yet to take control of Congress. You're blaming the wrong people for the negative things that unfortunately did happen.
Truth is truth fren. For far too long, the official narrative taught in our schools, at least in the South, BY DEMOCRATS, was that it was the Lost Cause myth. Well meaning, good conservative people particularly in the former rebel states, have been duped into accepting such nonsense. It's a tough red pill for many to swallow.
Lost Cause propaganda bullshit that has been debunked time and time and time again
“Debunked” is a fraud. It is the idea that an argument is closed because it has been rebutted. Usually, within the absolutely amazing fraud that we call “debunked”, all that is required is a single rebuttal. That is not how we find the Truth. Investigations into the truth never close any doors. New evidence is always allowed to be presented, rebuttals rebutted, etc.. There is no such thing as debunked in the effort to find the Truth.
my masters is in American History
Part 2 of my report is on The Matrix. The reason we are stuck in the Matrix, the way it was created in the first place was by taking over all of the information sources. The first thing they took over was the book publishers (they were the first book publishers). That’s not actually true. The first thing they took over was Religion, but that’s going back too far. We will start with the publishers. Then they took over all media.
See Sir Evelyn de Rothschild who gave a talk at Peking University (which was created by Rockefeller) at which he said (@7:20):
[Talking about his families banking empire] We covered Europe. We covered the European Union that we have today. From that grew a business which was successfully built upon an understanding between the five brothers. The five brothers used to talk to each other through writing. That was one side. They were also the first client of a man called Mr. Reuter. Mr. Reuter made his name by flying pigeons around the world, and if you couldn’t send messages, you used a pigeon. And that’s why we were the first client of the great house of Reuter. Which as you know became the most important messaging company in the world today. And from that it grew, over a period of time.
This is not intended to be a full argument. I have 500 pages of argument in my report. I am giving you a taste of what’s coming when I present it to the world.
Then they took over schools. In 1903 Rockefeller started the General Education Board for example. Again, just one piece of a thousand pieces of evidence.
In 1954 the Reece Committee looked at Foundations influence in schools. Foundations drive all research. You can’t even get funding for any project if you don’t follow what they want you to research. You can’t publish in any journal, you can’t get any degree if you don’t toe the line of the official narrative. That doesn’t mean you can’t think outside the box, but you can’t think too far outside of it or you are effectively deleted (called a crackpot, or a quack, etc.).
In 1982 Norman Dodd talked about his experience during this congressional Committee to find evidence. The video of his interview is at the bottom of that link. The video starts at 14ish minutes in. His exposition of History begins within ten minutes of that I think.
He tells about how his assistant got access to the Carnegie (same as Rockefeller) minutes of Foundation meetings. He talks about how they took over all of what was allowed to be taught and what was the allowed printing of material in American History. He suggests all official history that is allowed to be taught is fraudulent with the intention of bringing America into a one world government of Communism. These minutes are from 100 years ago. They have been working on this project for a very long time (much longer than that, but this is evidence of at least that time frame).
Him saying these things, and me presenting them doesn’t make his statement true, but it does make his evidence compelling (I HIGHLY recommend you listen to it). That evidence is “primary” in the sense that Norman Dodd is saying it, and given everything that he was a part of (the Reece Committee e.g.) he is a credible witness. Again, not necessarily true, but his interview seems to me that he believes it. Just one more piece of the puzzle. There are hundreds more.
Whatever bad happened as a result of the failed rebellion, could have been avoided had the rebels not rebelled.
I suggest this is completely incorrect. Nothing could have been avoided. Look at it again with that in mind. Or rather, try to prove that statement incorrect.
You're blaming the wrong people for the negative things that unfortunately did happen.
I am blaming the Bankers. I stated that explicitly. I assure you, they are not the “wrong people.”
Truth is truth fren.
Truth is Truth, i.e. Truth is What Is. “truth” (lower case) is what people think they see, or have read, or were told, etc. that they interpret as Truth. If you own all the sources that show, tell, write, etc. what kind of fraud could you perpetrate? Could you create an entire world of fraud? Could you create, using pieces of the Truth, but hiding all the really important bits, an entire fraud of History? Could you create The Matrix?
the Democrat lies
This suggests to me you are still stuck in The Matrix. “The Democrat Lies” is the lie. There is no such thing as a “Democrat” in the way you mean it. Nor is there a “Republican.” They are two sides of the same controlled slave caste. Both are lies. All are lies. The whole world is The Matrix. Until you see who the real enemy is, you are bound to (bounded by) the fraud. In fact, I suggest in your investigations you keep in mind the question “who is the real enemy” in every situation. The more you dig, the more surprising the apparent answers become.
If you wish to present evidence to back up your claims instead of ad hominem attacks (“Democrat lies”/”Debunked”/etc.) or appeals to authority I am all ears. I will not be looking through your post history, but if you wish to link specific ones that you feel present an argument I will look. Please do your best to present primary evidence. As in, recognize that what you are presenting is someone’s words. It is not Truth. It is especially not Truth if it was from some book. If I have to go digging through a book to find their references to then go looking through that reference to find another reference etc. I will not consider your evidence credible. I need to see what people say. Court cases are a great source. Laws in the books are great. Black’s Law Dictionary is a great source. Congressional investigation Committees are great. Websites in someone’s own words (like the Rockefeller websites telling me themselves about their fuckery). Government websites are great (like SEC reports that tell of Rockefuckery), etc. FOIA request documents, also fantastic.
because of Lincoln's war... We lost America directly because of Lincoln's war... he declared war on the south.
This is your central claim. You laid blame on Abraham Lincoln. The way you falsely portray the rebellion as a "war" that Lincoln started, is simply untrue. He dutifully responded to the insurrection and rebellion being levied against the USA. Again, I don't disagree with you that there was fuckery afoot, instigated and exploited by some evil people. But your understanding of what transpired, just isn't correct.
Tension over slavery kept raising, until a breaking point, slave owning democrats were clearly scared that Lincoln would free the slaves due to his personal hatred towards the evil institution of slavery but he stated time and time again that the preservation of the union was more important to him, and seemed to be agnostic on whether or not blacks became citizens. Then South Carolina tried succeeding, sparking several other states to follow, Lincoln had no choice but to go to war to preserve the union.
I've not published anything but bachelor's and master's in American History and Government, and taught several classes on the subject at a highly rated private Christian university... Hopefully that will suffice as I'd prefer to not divulge too much more of my identity.
Sorry, but Democrat created Lost Cause propaganda has no place in civilized society. Lincoln didn't "declare war on the south." Rebels made war upon the United States of America, in defense of the immoral institution of slavery. Lincoln fulfilled his constitutional duty to put down the insurrection and rebellion, to preserve the nation, to defend those Americans whose rights were being denied (not just slaves, but white Americans loyal to the Constitution). Yes, bankers benefited. Yes, they likely helped spur on the inevitable. But the question you should be asking, is who pushed the slaveholding elites to dupe the masses of poor whites in the deep south who didn't own slaves, to rebel, fight and die for an evil cause? The next question you should be asking is, WHY did said people agree to support said evil cause? Expand your thinking. Don't buy into the Democrat revisionist bullshit.
Every time I have looked deeper into the past, the more fuckery I have found. I presented a single point of view in that video. I never stated it as truth, but when you look there is a lot of corroborating evidence.
Your statements are the "official version" of events. Every single time I have looked at the official version of events I have found evidence of fraud upon deeper inspection.
Everyone really wants that one thing to hold on to from our learning that is "truth". Stop believing you know the truth of anything and just look at the evidence.
Calling evidence "Democrat created Lost Cause propaganda" to discredit it is in no way a refutation of the evidence itself, it is an attack on the presenter, which in this case has no basis in fact, or if it does, you have not presented any evidence to support that claim.
I did not state that that video suggested the whole story. On the contrary I stated you needed to dig much deeper, especially in the laws (e.g. Organic Act of 1871, Coin Act of 1873, etc., etc.), and the economics (e.g. U.S. debt burden, inflation data, housing cost data, GDP, etc., etc.).
You suggesting that my intent was to present that video as a meaningful end to an argument is a fallacy of argument. That was explicitly stated as not my intent.
I presented evidence against the official narrative (which you espouse). There is more than just that one point of view to corroborate the evidence I presented. The Civil War didn't just "benefit the Bankers". It was literally the end of America by ALL counts. We were no longer a collection of sovereign states after the War, in effect, and to an extent by law (because we exist under Common Law and thus precedence was established by the war). The war caused us to turn into a single government over vassal states directly afterwards. This was the complete destruction of the intent of the Constitution.
It wasn't just the most massive economic burden, through loans to Rothschilds and English Banks far beyond anything previous because of the war (from which we never recovered), it was the literal destruction of the intent of the DoI and Constitution. Not just soon after, but during and forever after the Civil War.
Stop needing heroes, or truths. Look at evidence. The need for heroes and truths causes you to find them in places they don't actually exist.
Sorry, but the narrative in that one video you posted, is Lost Cause propaganda bullshit that has been debunked time and time and time again. Check my post history and you should find several instances where I've discussed the Rebellion of 1860 in depth, addressing the Democrat lies alluded to by multiple Q posts, with substantial evidence.
While I don't intend to claim an appeal to authority, my masters is in American History, with specialization in the Revolutionary period and the Civil War. I taught multiple classes at the college level covering Sectionalism, the Civil War and Reconstruction. I'd happily walk you through that content.
Whatever bad happened as a result of the failed rebellion, could have been avoided had the rebels not rebelled. The results were the consequences of the cause initiated by those who rebelled against the United States because they bought into bullshit fear mongering over a man who had yet to even take office, and a political party that had yet to take control of Congress. You're blaming the wrong people for the negative things that unfortunately did happen.
Truth is truth fren. For far too long, the official narrative taught in our schools, at least in the South, BY DEMOCRATS, was that it was the Lost Cause myth. Well meaning, good conservative people particularly in the former rebel states, have been duped into accepting such nonsense. It's a tough red pill for many to swallow.
“Debunked” is a fraud. It is the idea that an argument is closed because it has been rebutted. Usually, within the absolutely amazing fraud that we call “debunked”, all that is required is a single rebuttal. That is not how we find the Truth. Investigations into the truth never close any doors. New evidence is always allowed to be presented, rebuttals rebutted, etc.. There is no such thing as debunked in the effort to find the Truth.
Part 2 of my report is on The Matrix. The reason we are stuck in the Matrix, the way it was created in the first place was by taking over all of the information sources. The first thing they took over was the book publishers (they were the first book publishers). That’s not actually true. The first thing they took over was Religion, but that’s going back too far. We will start with the publishers. Then they took over all media.
See Sir Evelyn de Rothschild who gave a talk at Peking University (which was created by Rockefeller) at which he said (@7:20):
This is not intended to be a full argument. I have 500 pages of argument in my report. I am giving you a taste of what’s coming when I present it to the world.
Then they took over schools. In 1903 Rockefeller started the General Education Board for example. Again, just one piece of a thousand pieces of evidence.
In 1954 the Reece Committee looked at Foundations influence in schools. Foundations drive all research. You can’t even get funding for any project if you don’t follow what they want you to research. You can’t publish in any journal, you can’t get any degree if you don’t toe the line of the official narrative. That doesn’t mean you can’t think outside the box, but you can’t think too far outside of it or you are effectively deleted (called a crackpot, or a quack, etc.).
In 1982 Norman Dodd talked about his experience during this congressional Committee to find evidence. The video of his interview is at the bottom of that link. The video starts at 14ish minutes in. His exposition of History begins within ten minutes of that I think.
He tells about how his assistant got access to the Carnegie (same as Rockefeller) minutes of Foundation meetings. He talks about how they took over all of what was allowed to be taught and what was the allowed printing of material in American History. He suggests all official history that is allowed to be taught is fraudulent with the intention of bringing America into a one world government of Communism. These minutes are from 100 years ago. They have been working on this project for a very long time (much longer than that, but this is evidence of at least that time frame).
Him saying these things, and me presenting them doesn’t make his statement true, but it does make his evidence compelling (I HIGHLY recommend you listen to it). That evidence is “primary” in the sense that Norman Dodd is saying it, and given everything that he was a part of (the Reece Committee e.g.) he is a credible witness. Again, not necessarily true, but his interview seems to me that he believes it. Just one more piece of the puzzle. There are hundreds more.
I suggest this is completely incorrect. Nothing could have been avoided. Look at it again with that in mind. Or rather, try to prove that statement incorrect.
I am blaming the Bankers. I stated that explicitly. I assure you, they are not the “wrong people.”
Truth is Truth, i.e. Truth is What Is. “truth” (lower case) is what people think they see, or have read, or were told, etc. that they interpret as Truth. If you own all the sources that show, tell, write, etc. what kind of fraud could you perpetrate? Could you create an entire world of fraud? Could you create, using pieces of the Truth, but hiding all the really important bits, an entire fraud of History? Could you create The Matrix?
This suggests to me you are still stuck in The Matrix. “The Democrat Lies” is the lie. There is no such thing as a “Democrat” in the way you mean it. Nor is there a “Republican.” They are two sides of the same controlled slave caste. Both are lies. All are lies. The whole world is The Matrix. Until you see who the real enemy is, you are bound to (bounded by) the fraud. In fact, I suggest in your investigations you keep in mind the question “who is the real enemy” in every situation. The more you dig, the more surprising the apparent answers become.
If you wish to present evidence to back up your claims instead of ad hominem attacks (“Democrat lies”/”Debunked”/etc.) or appeals to authority I am all ears. I will not be looking through your post history, but if you wish to link specific ones that you feel present an argument I will look. Please do your best to present primary evidence. As in, recognize that what you are presenting is someone’s words. It is not Truth. It is especially not Truth if it was from some book. If I have to go digging through a book to find their references to then go looking through that reference to find another reference etc. I will not consider your evidence credible. I need to see what people say. Court cases are a great source. Laws in the books are great. Black’s Law Dictionary is a great source. Congressional investigation Committees are great. Websites in someone’s own words (like the Rockefeller websites telling me themselves about their fuckery). Government websites are great (like SEC reports that tell of Rockefuckery), etc. FOIA request documents, also fantastic.
I would love to read your report!
This is your central claim. You laid blame on Abraham Lincoln. The way you falsely portray the rebellion as a "war" that Lincoln started, is simply untrue. He dutifully responded to the insurrection and rebellion being levied against the USA. Again, I don't disagree with you that there was fuckery afoot, instigated and exploited by some evil people. But your understanding of what transpired, just isn't correct.
You can start here:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwCiRao53J1y_gqJJOH6Rcgpb-vaW9wF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otTsbqK4U7o&t=529s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6DiA_7AjcU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3E2FdedPwU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EOhXF5lNgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbEjmEyHf8U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc0GvbzhoWs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Elc1-j6Jrg
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Tension over slavery kept raising, until a breaking point, slave owning democrats were clearly scared that Lincoln would free the slaves due to his personal hatred towards the evil institution of slavery but he stated time and time again that the preservation of the union was more important to him, and seemed to be agnostic on whether or not blacks became citizens. Then South Carolina tried succeeding, sparking several other states to follow, Lincoln had no choice but to go to war to preserve the union.
You are a historian? Or are you just interested in US history?
I've not published anything but bachelor's and master's in American History and Government, and taught several classes on the subject at a highly rated private Christian university... Hopefully that will suffice as I'd prefer to not divulge too much more of my identity.