We come out and declare that abortion is murder, wrong and life begins at conception.
I agree with all the above. But American society is diseased. Let's just be honest with ourselves.
How the hell are we going to convince young women out there to NOT kill a fetus when we promote EVERYTHING that leads to that moment?
We:
Promote Alcohol --> As if we can't live without that garbage.
Sexualize females --> Big tits, big ass, we hoot and holler at the slightest skin exposed. I've partied from NY to Lousianna and conservative areas full of Christians party wayyyy harder. Ever been a southern college football game after party? Lots of life made after every one of those games lol
Financially support Pedowood when we watch their movies and shows --> All that money collected does is spread more shit.
Let our daughters run wild without repercussion and our sons can't help but turn into animals cause of it --> In my teens and 20's my mission was to chase as much tail as I could every damn day of my life. Booze and broads.
I'm guilty of the American lifestyle myself so don't get it twisted I'm not judging
But I don't see how we can battle abortion when it is the end stage of a chronic disease. Unless we treat and reverse the disease itself, the result will always be death.
So we protest and demand young girls don't kill their babies but no one cares the fact that that young girl is a product of society and that society will not be the one who cares for her and that kid post birth.
Well I certainly never promoted any of that stuff. Teen in the 90's and my father would have kicked my ass if I ever just wore a shirt that exposed my belly button. He also would have kicked my ass for drinking. Any stupid shit I did was done after I became an adult but still had no life experience to know the concequences of what I was doing. To box all conservatives and christians in a box to explain your upbringing is unfair and not accurate. The right, as a whole, does not promote that shit anymore than the left. It's just shit that happens when people, left or right, act the fool. And they know it.
I think he's more commenting on the conservative approach of fighting the symptom but ignoring the disease.
It is true that more and more people are seeing that much of our society and its values are intentional degraded and that the fight itself needs to involve a return to the good, the true and the beautiful, which can only come through a return to God.
So, while it's not necessarily a dig at conservatives only, it is a good point and a reminder that we have a ton of work to do and it starts with ending all support for the institutions that exist to harm us.
Don't think you understand what I wrote. I didn't box anyone. I wrote that we can't as a demographic call out leftists end result degeneracy while simultaneously living the same lifestyle that leads to the problem.
And I'm arguing that as a demographic, we are not soley responsible for promoting degeneracy. It's society in general. In fact, as a demographic we are the only ones pointing out that it's wrong while everone else is saying it's fine because they are just "living their truth". So yes, some conservatives and christians are participating in some of the shameful behavoirs of our society, but conservatism/christianity isn't soley responsible for this, and yes we can AND SHOULD call out all degeneracy.
I didn't write we are solely responsible lol. I wrote American society literally in my first sentence. I partitioned the fact that conservative society is no better in the sense that we partake in almost every facet of society that leads to abortion being the end stage of a disease.
We can declare abortion is bad and should be illegal all we want but that's a futile venture. Won't change what happens in the culture.
We battle it because abortion is wrong. Full stop. Regardless of the cause, human life has inherent value. All morality flows from this. We tell young woman that you do not get to kill your baby. If you want to avoid pregnancy, there are more opportunities to do that than at any other point in human history. We can talk about reversing society's course after we stop the bleeding.
How's that working out? What you just described is exactly what's been going on for decades and the situation is now worse than it ever was.
Your thinking isn't wrong, it's your approach that's wrong.
The situation is not worse than it ever was, it is remarkably better. Several states have passed abortion bans that have survived legal challenges and will be in place should Roe v. Wade be overturned, a challenge to which is being heard by the Supreme Court. How are things worse than they have ever been exactly?
TikTok, Snapchat, Instagram, pornhub. TikTok alone has done more damage than the others combined.
I am confused now. I thought we were discussing abortion and how the pro-life position is ridiculous. I do not disagree that our society glorifies degenerate behavior. However you must also account for the pushback against it as well, it is happening every day, all over the country.
What I mean is that politics is one thing, but culture is another. The DS is not targeting you and I as much as they are targeting children and teens.
You and I may be following politics and political movements. The DS is following our kids and influencing their minds.
Social media and the entertainment industry have them in a hypnotic state. That's where the battle for this countries soul will end.
On that point I believe you and I are in agreement. However politics is downstream of culture, and the culture around this issue and others has changed dramatically in only the past five years. We can celebrate that even as we acknowledge that there is more work to do.
What’s wrong with Instagram and pornhub?
The others I agree are trash
Every dollar we give to big tech, pedowood, or the tax man contributes to abortion, ultimately. Time to stop.
Well society being the way it is was by design. Part of the canals plan. Let's take Miley Cyprus for example. Innocent enough character, young girls follow her and then by design she turns into a big slutty pig. Kids then think it is ok to act that way. Parents need to pay more attention to their kids bit again that was by design. Either people are having kids out of wedlock, families are divorcing, its not the norm to have a traditional family anymore. If a traditional family exists, normally both parents have to work. The parents are tired when they get home, kids are doing God know what. Again by design. Don't get me started on the transgender stuff, by design. Both kids and adults are brainwashed. Fixing society is gonna be very tough. After what has happened how can we justify allowing the worship of satan. It should be outlawed. I don't understand all of it and how they say satan is transgender. I certainly never realized that. Anyways Satan is evil, evil is bad, bad leads to other things such as abortion, murder, child rape, child sacrifice. Outlaw it. Its gonna be tough. People you might have turned to: Ministers, Priests, Pastors etc are also in some cases pedo's. It is definitely not going to be easy. Maybe once black people know about Margaret Sanger and her feelings towards the black population and Hillary's distain for black people and really the truth about the lefts racist views people will realize abortion is wrong. The psychos on the left have a lot to answer to. It will not be easy but maybe the med beds can erase some of thos nonsense.
I agree. I wrote American society is diseased and you've described that very well. Abortion in my opinion is what their desired outcome was. They achieved it via the avenues you mentioned.
For whatever reason, old timer conservatives still think some dirt bag pedo politician is going to outlaw it. Never gonna happen nor would that solve the problem. It would simply fuel rage within modern women.
The culture needs to change.
There is a movie on demand called Roe vs. Wade. The pillow guy has a small part in it, John Voight has a small part and a few other conservatives. I thought it was very good as it tells the true story and how it became law. A bunch of lies quite frankly. When new technology was introduced (the ultrasound) I believe. The doc in NY who was doing a ton of abortions and at the forefront of the movement was horrified that he had been killing babies for so many years. He turned over a new leaf. There is info on the truth about Margaret Sanger and if I am correct there may have been some pay offs to the Supreme Court. Its a good story to watch or to show in school if approved by the parents beginning in 9th grade as part of health class. If we could get religion back in the classroom that would be a good start as well. Parents have to not rely on the school system to raise their kids but I do think the school has to possess the same morals and goals of the parents. Maybe in a perfect world, I don't know. Once all is said and done I think there will be a lot of psychological damage to kids. It's not easy excepting your entire life has been one big lie.
Bang on.
Hey Speak for yourself... Don't lump ME in with "WE". "Change starts with yourself" ~ Jesus
We are in a country that consists of we lol. You can be change all you want but the masses will follow trends and almost all trends are degenerate in nature.
Take away the consequences, and the actions will flourish. Put the consequences back in, and society will sober up quickly. I don't see any contradiction. Just my 2cents.
I do agree with you. However, the consequences of getting an abortion in this day and age would just result in rage from modern women. Even many conservative women are on the fence with it.
Society is rotting and needs to return to values that mean something. Not living like animals. You can ban premarital sex tomorrow with a sentence of death it won't stop the masses (at this point). What we need is to change the way they view their actions.
I think i understand what youre saying, but part of that lifestyle actually begins with consequence free (in their mind at least) sex. I dont see it as the end result. Similar to “everyone gets a trophy” little leagues, if there is no difference in outcome between the people that do the right thing and those that dont, people arent as incentivized to do the right thing.
That's the exact argument jab pushers use. That's why we can't use them and it has to be a culture change first. We're beyond them even taking consequences seriously.
I dont know how that applies to jabs.
Its a both thing, not either or. It can work both ways. “Why is that illegal?” “Cause its a human life, not a clump of cells. Its science.” They love science.
I agree with where you’re coming from with this analysis. There may be some on here and in the “conservative” movement that have lived a righteous or holy life. I can not say that I am one that has. I’ve made many, many mistakes. I’m a guilty one of chasing tail when I was younger and not having very many cares in the world. I wholeheartedly believe that our side (followers of Christ) not conservatives as that title has been hijacked by RINOS, need to spread the Gospel to anyone we come across. And we need our politicians to reflect that. Abortion should be illegal. Big media and entertainment needs to go away for a while (maybe a generation or two) while we teach our children the Bible and morality. There’s just no way for us to say abortion is illegal and not go after the root part of the problem in society as a whole. Lack of a moral compass is a huge problem. Christ can fix everything. Not us on our own
I agree. the "conservative" movement needs a dose of Christ.
I think it's more nuanced than this, and two things are being conflated here. One aspect is a cultural message (whether the root causes you mention or the "demand"ing young girls don't kill their babies). The other aspect on abortion, however, is the legality of abortion. You're right on the cultural message; however, that doesn't negate the absolute necessity of, as a state or nation, outlawing abortion as murder. Both avenues are needed.
truth with some stank on it......you are correct
Perhaps it isn't just our daughters who are allowed to run wild without repercussions.
After all, it does take two to tango.
LOL never heard of Tinder? Grindr? Hook up culture is legit a thing.....Pre Covid it was fuckin bad. Which I am thinking maybe this is why dems piush covid? Stop women from whoring? But this is part of the cabals thing they want the baby sacrifices. I dunno just spit balling here
Women control the ball game out there. The market is flooded with pussy and it holds no value for the long term for most single men up until they meet someone they respect and for most men, respect and sexual history are intertwined.
Read again. I am not pro-choice. I am saying that we are beyond the "consequences" phase. Who's going to enforce it? A culture change is the only way to get people to understand the evil. Otherwise, the evil appears good and the people who want good (us), appear evil.
You understand?
With abortion, conservatives rely entirely too much on moral arguments about how things SHOULD be according to their personal moral views rather than trying to apply existing principles to the situation. And conservatives DO have a point on abortion, but it's rarely the one they're bothering to argue.
For instance, it is terribly difficult from a scientific point of view to establish that a fetus is not a human in development. As is an adult. As is an elderly person. If the right to life is an inherent part of being human, what differentiates a fetus from any other human being in development?
Sperm is not a human in development, so masturbation doesn't kill humans. Mucus from your nose is not a human in development. A fetus would be.
Despite my best attempts, I cannot differentiate from a development point of view why a fetus would be different than any other human in development IF rights (such as the right to life) are inherent to being human. The only connection is its reliance on the mother, which is largely conditional on our technology to keep the fetus alive separate from the mother. Do our rights to life exist based entirely on how convenient it is for technology to accommodate those rights? An infant is still dependent on its mother, so why is it not therefore legal for a mother to kill an infant? What's the difference?
The question isn't whether the fetus is a human in development or not. It is. The question is whether or not a woman has the right to kill a human being in development when pregnant. That's a different philosophical argument.
That's the argument YOU want to have. But it's not the one most liberals are having. And they are just as frustrated with your refusal to acknowledge their point as you are with them.
The abortion argument consists of two sides who are having different arguments and refuse to acknowledge that the other side has a point on their own arguments. It IS absolutely a right to life issue. It is ALSO absolutely a women's liberty issue. Both of those issues exist, and for one to exist, the other has to be diminished.
Until both sides agree on some of the fundamental contexts, neither side is going to get anywhere on this. And posting pictures of dead fetuses accomplishes nothing. Appealing to the Bible accomplishes nothing.
Focus on rights. If all humans have a right to life inherently as a condition of being human, then there needs to be some scientific reason that we do not classify a fetus as human. If we can't do that, then we therefore accept that a fetus has a right to life from the moment of conception; otherwise, we're claiming that humans grant other humans the right to life, which isn't how it's supposed to work. If that IS the way it's going to work with abortion, then we need to justify why.
Getting emotional about this doesn't advance your argument whatsoever. The less your argument relies on emotional, moral, or religious appeal, the more likely you are to make a point that is difficult to ignore.
I agree with everything you wrote short of the emotional argument. In fact, that's exactly one of their main weapons on getting to this point.
If you were to even try and debate this topic in a college somewhere you would have screeching lunatics going mad. That emotional offensive is one of their main tools.
There are millions of people who quietly support us but would never dare talk about it because of the fear of some woman screaming in their face about their rights.
It is the same tool they are using during covid. A screeching karen or leftist demanding you put your mask on or get a jab cause you may kill their grandmother.
That's how they've won so many times. They appeal to peoples emotions. That's why I think it takes more than a stance on what is considered life and when.
We can have a clear stance on life but if the culture increasingly promotes degeneracy, generation after generation will simply ignore our way of thinking and live in the gutter.
Can we at least recognize, somewhere within this discussion, WHO is responsible, and HOW the degeneracy was brought, to our culture? Abortion, as you noted, is the end-stage.
"They" have admitted their role in all this, and have done it before...
We all know who it is. It's the "elite" and they are all over the world as are their descendants, slaves and secret society members. From your local police chief to big city mayor to the priest in a small town to the pope. The village elder in a small village in Afghanistan to the royal family of Saudi Arabia to the royals all over Europe and elsewhere.
They are on school boards, teachers, doctors, cops, executives etc. They are everywhere.
I think this is still "little picture," even though it sounds very broad in scope. The people you are naming are still puppets of a larger plan. To use the term, "elite," allows them to hide as they have done for centuries. Yes, abortion is a fairly recent abomination, but it really gained traction with Fania Mendell and Planned Parenthood. The real truth behind the debauchery they knew would follow was truly evil.
Emotional argument doesn't work on anyone who has an emotional investment in their own argument. That's the point I'm making.
Pro-choice people are as emotionally invested in protecting women's rights as pro-lifers are in protecting fetuses.
Emotion-based arguments are not going to work for that reason. Because both sides have different, emotionally-valid reasons for being invested in their position.
I agree. I don't even think a debate would work. People rage when losing debates and cement in their beliefs when winning one. And winning a debate is as simple as who the audience is. You could be dead wrong and if your audience is retarded, could still win.
The underlying view on sex, dating, marriage, family and feminism needs to change. In fact, feminism is one of the root causes of all these problems.
Until a young woman views child birth as a gift and a young man views fatherhood as a responsibility and not a curse on his freedom, pro-choice will always ultimately win the normies over.
That still doesnt change the fact we are where we are NOW........Who, or What caused it is irrelivent now. Just fix it. Abortion before 15 weeks, before we think we know the being in the womb is sentient and feeling pain imo is a fair trade off. Abortion shouldnt be used as a contraceptive, not by any means. But also what women do in their own beds isnt our business. Let me ask you this. We are all pro life....There is gray areas. Who is gonna care for those 1.7 million babies no one wanted? Then the 1.7 million they year after. Then we get to like 15 years later, when the now abused, and very likely sexually molested kids have babies of ntheir own. While still being in the system. See where this is going? In 20 years we are going to have a population of babies who hate the ladies, and just make more babies-2Pac.
The instant access to hardcore pornography has warped young human minds more than anything. Teen girls (14-16) are JUMPING teen boys because they’re being told to by society/“boss babes”/liberal feminists that ALL sexuality is equal, and it absolutely is not. There are many things plaguing our world, not just what leads to a person murdering their unborn child.
Agreed. It is straight up demonic in the most demonic form possible.