RIGHTEOUS ANGER: St. Thomas Aquinas weighs in on being a passive wussy...
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This is different. Aquinas is defining it, not judging someone out of moral superiority. It is our duty to have discernment, to love good and hate evil. Jesus flipped tables and drove the money changers out of the temple with righteous anger.
Thanks you pede. This ^
Your stance is that loving good or hating evil implies we are able to differentiate between the two, which is a stance of moral superiority. Jesus did not say we should never use judgment (discernment), he said don't judge others (i.e. don't be judgmental or a hypocrite). In fact, he commands us to fix our own faults first, which implies knowing the difference between good and evil, so we can see clearly enough to help our brothers.
I think the hang up is the way Aquinas phrased the last sentence "you are immoral as well as unjust." He is not condemning the reader, he is merely saying that it's a natural response of people with morals to get angry when they see injustice. It's more of an approval to have righteous indignation.
Thou shalt not judge isn’t Christian philosophy.
It’s not?
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven
Luke 6:37
Sorry bro, Im judging these pedophile fucks. Fuck off.
Not saying you shouldn’t. Just arguing that “you shouldn’t judge” is generally a Christian concept.
We shouldn't judge the disposition of someone's soul. However some confuse calling someone from sin with judgement. St. James says that correcting a sinner has many spiritual benefits, not only for the sinner, but also for us: James 5:20: let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins. And whether we want to admit it or not, we are indeed our brother's keeper: EZEKIEL 3 [18] If, when I say to the wicked, Thou shalt surely die: thou declare it not to him, nor speak to him, that he may be converted from his wicked way, and live: the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but I will require his blood at thy hand. [19] But if thou give warning to the wicked, and he be not converted from his wickedness, and from his evil way: he indeed shall die in his iniquity, but thou hast delivered thy soul. [20] Moreover if the just man shall turn away from his justice, and shall commit iniquity: I will lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die, because thou hast not given him warning: he shall die in his sin, and his justices which he hath done, shall not be remembered: but I will require his blood at thy hand. But if you on your part warn the wicked man to turn from his [evil] way and he does not turn from his [evil] way, he will die in his sin; but you have saved your life. EZ. 33:9 Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it; and indeed to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them.
It means not to be a hypocrite. Of course we are to judge another’s actions, and admonish one another. It’s scripture
You are correct, but many have been conditioned by the dark world to conflate vengeance and justice.
Jesus gave one new commandment and too many find that commandment too great a burden.
It absolutely is…
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=judge+not&version=KJV&filter=NT&startnumber=1
“Don’t be a hypocrite.”
Hey, come on. Jesus also said "pluck out your eye". You gonna do that? We're all blind?
The question is to UNDERSTAND through the word, what Truth the Lord is communicating.
In my view, "Judge not, lest thou be not judged" is about the type of heart you have when you encounter the sins of others. See a man committing a sin.... Curse him, or belittle him, without understanding what trials or life or tragic inheritance he has, and you end up scaring your own heart and making it smaller, smaller, smaller.
It's not about observing evil in action, and stepping back to let it do its damage. But that is exactly what Aquinas is talking about here. It's not "judgment" in the heart, but about acting justly before God.
Read his book city of God years ago,it's a classic.
(That’s St. Augustine’s, another Doctor of the Church.) Good for you! You’re way ahead of me, it’s on my list.
It was 20 years ago,I do remember it was a good read. Also st. John of the cross, dark night of the soul.
He knew his shit, did Tom.
Any man who has anger is a woman.
There is no such thing as righteous anger and we are not allowed to judge, only God.
We are not to judge another’s soul. That’s it. We are to judge and admonish one another without being hypocritical. Our justice system is based on judging. We pick spouses and friends and even employment based on judging. This whole “judge not” is probably the most twisted verse in Scripture.
Wrong. Laws are for the lawless. We are guided either by Good (God) or Evil (Satan). Free will does not exist
Getting angry at anyone is of the Devil and no matter how hard you try to bend scriptures and words, is wrong.
Free will absolutely exists and it was given to us by God. WE make our decisions, not God, not Satan. Getting angry is not of the devil; was Christ of the devil when he was righteously angered by the money changers in the temple that He Himself fashioned a whip to drive them out? When He flipped the tables was He guided by Satan? Righteous anger is not vengeance.
1 Cor 6
Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? Do you not know that we will judge angels?
Anger is an emotional response, created by God, just as joy, just as sorrow. But the corrupted heart of a fallen man can turn anger into unjust, unrighteous, selfishly driven anger, joy into avaricious joy, and sorrow into sorrow for self, with disregard for others.
It is not the emotion that is at fault; God created us with the capacity to experience all and every emotion that He himself experiences. Rather, it is our fallen nature that is at fault. So, yes, there is righteous anger (if it is not rooted in your selfish or immature heart), and God desires that we judge the world, NOT from a selfish, immature heart, one that disregards mercy, compassion and understanding, but with a mature heart that does not slip into selfish, self-righteous or destructive judgemental heart.
If you are incapable of these things, you are still merely an infant, spiritually.
It's like the man who NEVER touches alcohol because he is incapable of actually NOT being influenced by it, and so abstains from a place of weakness, not from a place of strength.
Matt 15:11
What goes into a man's mouth does not make him unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him unclean.'The content of your heart is what makes you unclean, not the act, and not the emotion.
Bible thumpers have no common sense and are the same as atheist intellectuals. Memorizing and quoting lines means nothing. You know of the bible but don’t Know the bible.
Thank you. Bless you.
May your opinion serve you well, and serve others well.
Thank you again.
Wrong. Anger is what God has and His Anger, unlike ours is perfect. God doesn't get mad as being mad suggests lack of control. We are free to judge...but are to judge correctly. I can judge actions all day long but I may never judge intent.
When you can grasp the fundamental idea that no man nor woman can help themselves then you can see judging others and getting mad is wrong.
Anger is a woman trait and that’s because her father is the devil, as per Adam and Eve.
Hear hear!
Yes! This goes out to all the Churchians that look the other way when kids get molested in their churches, but don't want to make a scene. They will protect that milquetoast image at all costs, even when false teachers come in to bring the next goofy study or the next new thing. If you show signs of emotion or express concerns, you are labeled the troublemaker for spoiling their false peace.