It was brought over by the Puritans, and hated by King James🧐
It was also the first portable Bible; so a Bible for the people, by the people.
there is a real nice Patriot's Edition with the George Washington picture that Q posted.
https://genevabible.com/product/geneva-bible-patriots-edition/
this ad is older, but gives a good overview of the above Bible; https://youtu.be/3XBuFr1b8VU
short summary; https://youtu.be/MJ1bQ38Qp7I
good explanation, but probably need to watch at x2 https://youtu.be/4pErXUUk4Ho?t=360
Interesting. Are there any notable differences? I've always wondered how we're supposed to know exactly which Bible is the closest. Maybe in the end, good enough is good enough to God the Father, but I'd be curious to see if there is any sort of agenda at work.
The Ethiopian Bible has several books not in most other versions, and the Ethiopian Bible is one of the oldest on record.
I'm fairly new to studying the Bible, but from what I can tell, KJV was similar to the Geneva Bible in literal content, but the GB had a lot of marginal notes which helped common people to study.
the notes also criticized the government, so KJ didn't like that & had the GB outlawed.
that in itself is enough for me to want to learn more. I tend to like the rule breakers;)
At one time e-sword.net had a downloadable Geneva translation. I think it’s free for desktops
thanks that's good to know. I've been reading this below, and it's quite tedious to search. would much prefer e-sword.
https://www.monergism.com/1599-geneva-bible
I recommend Tyndale bible modern spelling myself. As far as I know it was the first bible to be translated directly from Hebrew/Greek to English.
Some interesting translation differences are:
King James: 1 Timothy 6:10 “For the LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”
Tyndale: For COVETOUSNESS is the root of all evil, which while some lusted after, they erred from the faith, and tangled themselves with many sorrows.
King James: Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the SYNAGOGUE of Satan.
Tyndale: I know thy works and tribulation and poverty, but thou art rich. And I know the blasphemy of them which call themselves Jews and are not, but are the CONGREGATION of Satan.
I've also heard good things about the Tyndale Bible, thanks for reminding me, will have to check it out. good to go as far back as possible & the comparisons help too, can tell a lot by what is left out/changed.
It's not so much things being left out or changed, but more that our understanding of linguistics, and the ancient Greek and Hebrew languages, along with the historical contexts, have improved greatly over the many, many years since some translations were created. So our ability to translate the true meanings of the original sources has gotten better over time to create a more accurate version.
Tyndale's version was unfortunately never fully completed let alone released for widespread use. Papist Mary Tudor had him executed... a martyr of Christian Church
https://www.biblegateway.com
Dozens of translations, including the King James and the 1599 Genevia.
thanks, that's helpful. good to compare/contrast.
King James and a good concordance works fine. We know where the romish forgeries are.
a lot of this is new to me, so can you explain which ones are 'forgeries'?
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com
Has just about every major early text in early Christian history. Many of these are books that were removed from the later versions of the Bible.
I really like the Apocryphon of John, the Ascension of Isaiah, and the Shepherd of Hermas.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/apocryphonjohn.html
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/ascension.html
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/shepherd.html
yes! that's a great site, and I share this page often;
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/q.html
think all anons should read through these early writings. so helpful in understanding Q.
I actually picked up a similar copy of that edition several years ago, although it's from 2012 and notes publisher as Tolle Lege Press & White Hall Press. Washington still on the front cover, although it's the Delaware Crossing painting instead of the prayer painting. Even though this famous Crossing painting took quite the artistic liberty with historical accuracy, at least we know the event happened, unlike the case of Washington's alleged prayer at Valley Forge... just not enough evidence to corroborate the witness account for that specific alleged incident... it's not a mountain worth dying on to argue over its authenticity...
https://ibb.co/d57TkGs
Anywho, the Patriot's edition is quite nice amd includes several historical founding documents in its appendix, plus some nice introductory and background info.
The most important thing about the Geneva translation is that it was the first full English translation from the oldest known Greek and Hebrew manuscripts, as opposed to the KJV which was basically an English translation of Rome's Latin Vulgate, which was itself a flawed translation. Tyndale tried to follow up Luther's German translation with an English version, but he was tortured and executed before ot could be finished.
For those who love "Shakespeare", this was "his" Bible (go down the rabbit hole that is "the real Shakespeare")... also more relevant to Americans, this was the Bible of the Founders. KJV wouldn't come into more prominent usage until after the Revolution.
yes, definitely like the connection to old Greek, so that is good to know. also didn't realize that about the painting, the other one had the Deleware picture, they must have a couple versions/need to look up the story of the prayer. And glad you mentioned the Revolution, as that's a cool fact of the Geneva Bible, the Patriots would have been familiar with it, and maybe even had a copy.
Looks like the publisher released a few editions of virtually the same "1599 Geneva Bible":
"Patriot's Edition" 1st edition 2010 - GW kneeling in prayer
"Patriot's Edition" 2nd edition 2012 - GW crossing the Delaware
Both Patriot's editions are identical aside from cover art. Both contain US Founding related historical documents: Magna Carta, Mayflower Compact, DoI AoC, Constitution and GW's "Rules of Civility & Decent Behavior"
3rd edition 2015 - Embarkation of the Pilgrims
Can't tell what documents are included.
4th edition 2017 - Luther 95 Theses
This version marked 500th anniversary of Lutheran Reformation. No US documents, instead 95 Theses, Augsburg Confession and Luther's Small Catechism
thanks for sorting that out for me, love the Delaware picture, so will have to search for the one you listed. would also be interesting to have those extra documents. I'm a fan of George Washington, but haven't read "Rules of Civility & Decent Behavior", sounds like a good one.
Looks like Mt. Vernon has a full version uploaded on their website:
https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/rules-of-civility/
All the other US and Reformation docs should be readily accessible online as well. All great stuff to have read.
King James was a descendant of the Nephilim
So you're just going to drop that there?
Said the guy that caught Guy?
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Guy Fawkes was involved with a group that was attempting to assassinate King James. Big plan was to bomb the House of Lords, but Guy got caught checking to make sure their gunpowder kegs were still in their strategic spots.
Hence:
"So you're just going to drop that there?"
"Said the guy that caught Guy?"
Gotcha. I know Guy Fawkes just didn't get the reference
wow that's interesting. and makes sense as I've heard KJ was a shady guy.
https://youtu.be/qGl2einf2K0
A homosexual.
pedo too I think:(
no wonder he didn't want anyone analyzing him.
and that's what I thought was so cool about the Geneva Bible, encouraging people to study and discuss, not be blind slaves.
The 1599 Geneva isn’t as easy to read as one may think. At least I don’t thinks so. A lot of scrambled “old” English in it.
true, it seems rougher than the KJV & sure makes it more difficult. maybe that's where the margin notes fill in the gap. a new adventure for me, so I like the challenges with the language. also knowing that the Puritans liked it is a selling point for me.
I've always been more interested in what Jesus himself had to say than in most other material in the Bible [long set of related digressions being bypassed here . . .] and a great tool for that is the Rex Humbard Prophecy Bible. It prints the words of Jesus in red; everything else in black. Makes it very easy to go through the entire New Testament reading only what Jesus had to say. It's a very coherent voice (until Revelations, when the personality behind the words is suddenly quite different).
It's a King James version (or at least mine is, Humbard may have produced other translations as well). Mine is old and leather bound, bought in a used book store -- which might be your best bet for getting one. You can get one for $125 from the Rex Humbard Foundation or an MP3 version -- useless to me -- for $7.99 or a used leather bound copy for $40 at Amazon.
thanks for the link. havent heard of Rex Humbard before, so this will be interesting. and I agree, definitely think reading the words of Jesus makes the most sense.
also reminds me of when President Trump said he was non-denominational. he obviously understands that man made religions are fallible, so we should go right to the original 'source'; Jesus. which of course i think is a great coincidence since the common material between Matthew and Luke is referred to as the Q-Source;)
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/q.html
Wow. Did not know that (Q-Source).
yeah I didn't at first either, until Q told us to 'read the Bible' and I started researching. makes sense though after reading it. so much like our Q, it's even the part of the Bible that talks about the rights of children.
Luke 17:2 It is better for him if a millstone is hung around his neck and he is thrown into the sea, than that he may cause one of these little ones to sin.
I'd forgotten that Luke has that same bit about the millstone that's also found in Matthew. One of the most important things Jesus did was to emphasize the importance of compassion for and appreciation of children.
I put together a dozen verses with Jesus' own words (as reported long after the fact by others and then translated, etc) that summarize for me the central themes of Jesus's secular teachings --
Matthew: 18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Mark: 10:13: And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them. 10:14: But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. 10:15: Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
Luke: 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
John: 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
it's amazing how many similarities there are between Matthew and Luke. almost like a code;) think it's Jesus' way of preventing censorship; we can verify his words since it was recorded twice. I bet there's a term for it in steganography, but I haven't found it yet.
And yes, it's awesome how children are mentioned, don't think their rights have ever been acknowledged until this^ and thanks for the verses, still studying my way through the NT, so this is helpful.