O yes. It is not only the idea, but it was in that configuration consecutively held by my ancestors.
Energetically,It would not be a misnomer, despite the fact that the actual blade and the actual handle no longer are part of the current configuration.
But truth be told, when I see that spear I think of Quo vadis, The Robe, etc.
As an aside, I believe it was in this same museum that they claimed to have both a nail from the crucifixion and a piece of wood from the cross with a nail hole.
Only problem is, the nail has a square cross-section and the hole is round. The way they get around this is, they display these two relics apart from one another so that you don't immediately realize the flaw in the logic.
In this video, they mention the "Spear of Destiny." It currently resides in a museum in Vienna, Austria that I visited. I took a photo of it and thought everyone might like to see a close-up of it.
I honestly wonder how the legend came into being. Can't be just military prowess.... Maybe it still had the blood of Christ on it? Who knows, but it really is a fascinating artifact
Romans soldiers wouldn't have carried such an "interesting" spear such as pictured here.
I don't doubt the possibility the "original" is in there somewhere, but refurbished into something more visually pleasing. The wire and gold weather guard as well as the blade there are most likely added later. The socket looks machined as well, seeing how the wings are so uniform and bear no hammer dents.
I'd wager the hollow outer blade was added at a later time (the => shape fastened around the the spike by the wire), since it wouldn't have been easy to craft such a wobbly shape to provide for an average Roman soldier.
No. A Roman soldier would have had a Pilum instead of a more "ceremonial" spear such as this.
And that pilum would not have survived, at least recognizably so. As pictured in the second link above, pilum were made from raw iron, not steel, and rusted terribly.
The head would have been an iron rod with a pyramid on top, effectively. Which, interestingly enough, you can make out such a rod-like shape at the heart of this spearhead.
Interestingly, considering the spear was actually a pilum would make it more Biblically significant.
Take a look at the Iron Rod mentions in the Bible:
Actually, when Jesus died, he was given all the markings of a King, but done in mockery:
Two days before he was anointed for his burial by a woman bearing an alabaster flask, which his own disciples challenged him on, as an alabaster flask of fragrant oil was very expensive. This tracks a king's anointing before coronation.
He briefly bore a red(violet and red were interchangeable in Greek) cape.
He was judged and found unblemished by the Roman Governor (Pontius Pilate) who went on to place a INRIover him on the cross, basically doing the Roman paperwork necessary to designate him a King.
He was given Vinegar to drink and Gaul(a curative oil).
He was punctured by a rod of iron / scepter. Notable that he was stabbed in the same place Adam had his rib removed, though no bones of Jesus were broken.
Basically.. The Romans and Pharisees unwittingly performed the entire Coronation Rite on Jesus, but in mockery.
I'm probably missing a few, but there are far more than enough to make the case that Jesus wasn't just a normal prophet. He truly was the King of Kings and just as he said, "they know not what they do", we really were clueless at the time that we were coronating him in the most savage way imaginable.
The sum of it is that the thorns may have not "broken" his skull, but rather dug deep enough to scrape the bone.
You got me on why they went so detailed, but it was probably to emphasize that it was so embedded into his skull that no one could take it off without ripping flesh. The goal with that point would be to illustrate that he died on the cross with the crown intact.
If you watch the Antarctic video posted by Greekish, you will see a very brief photo of this spear point. This is why I posted my photo -- so you could get a better look at it. The reason for some of what you see on the blade is due to the fact that it was broken and these are the early attempts to put it back together.
It's hard to see in my photo, but there is a line of writing down the center of the gold section, which I believe is there to help hold all of it together.
It doesn't matter whether this spear is authentic or not -- the point is, the Nazi's believed it was.
The more I look at it, the more I believe it is the spear, but with a WHOLE BUNCH of fluff added onto it.
The center rod, under all the wire and held inside the blade, has a tapered point like a Pilum.
Those pair of square nubs further down that center shaft with yellow X's on them seem like either points where the original blacksmiths added weight to the head of the pilum, some geometry to allow for bindings to attach and secure the head, or to serve as stops so the pilum would get stuck in the shield.
In other words, most of what we are looking at may just be a spear-head shaped container to protect the real pilum spear head nestled in the heart of it.
The outer blade could also be there as a base for a sacrificial anode material to prevent corrosion.
The outer blade could have been brazed with a layer of brass (zinc-copper) and that would corrode faster than anything else around it, preserving the center spear head. Zinc lends itself well to brazing, but the copper would be necessary because solid zinc requires somewhat of a vacuum to smelt on its own.
I need a better picture to verify that the blade had a layer of brazing on it, now corroded as is its function, but that's where my mind is right now.
I love what they did to it over the course of 2000 years.
(It reminds me of the ax of my great-grandfather I inherited. My grandfather changed the handle and my father put a new blade on it. )
So, in other words, none of your great-grandfather's axe remains as part of the current axe. Kek!
O yes. It is not only the idea, but it was in that configuration consecutively held by my ancestors.
Energetically,It would not be a misnomer, despite the fact that the actual blade and the actual handle no longer are part of the current configuration.
But truth be told, when I see that spear I think of Quo vadis, The Robe, etc.
As an aside, I believe it was in this same museum that they claimed to have both a nail from the crucifixion and a piece of wood from the cross with a nail hole.
Only problem is, the nail has a square cross-section and the hole is round. The way they get around this is, they display these two relics apart from one another so that you don't immediately realize the flaw in the logic.
very clever of them...
Greekish posted a video on Antarctica and the Nazis earlier today:
https://greatawakening.win/p/140veyoxSL/operation-highjump--admiral-byrd/c/
In this video, they mention the "Spear of Destiny." It currently resides in a museum in Vienna, Austria that I visited. I took a photo of it and thought everyone might like to see a close-up of it.
There’s a few versions of “The spear of Destiny”.
One preserved in Rome, One in Vienna, One in Armenia, and another version in Poland.
Legend has it, the Spear of Destiny (or Spear of Longinus) is the spear used to pierce Christ's side at the crucifixion.
Indeed. And also part of the legend is that whoever has borne it has gone on to greatness. Usually meaning great Military success.
Which leads to the spear having been rumored to have been carried by famed conquers and leaders. Everyone from Justinian and Charlemagne to Napoleon.
The legend surrounding it is truly fascinating.
I honestly wonder how the legend came into being. Can't be just military prowess.... Maybe it still had the blood of Christ on it? Who knows, but it really is a fascinating artifact
Romans soldiers wouldn't have carried such an "interesting" spear such as pictured here.
I don't doubt the possibility the "original" is in there somewhere, but refurbished into something more visually pleasing. The wire and gold weather guard as well as the blade there are most likely added later. The socket looks machined as well, seeing how the wings are so uniform and bear no hammer dents.
I'd wager the hollow outer blade was added at a later time (the => shape fastened around the the spike by the wire), since it wouldn't have been easy to craft such a wobbly shape to provide for an average Roman soldier.
No. A Roman soldier would have had a Pilum instead of a more "ceremonial" spear such as this.
https://www.romanobritain.org/8-military/mil_roman_soldiers_thrown-weapons.php
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/H_1892-0901-1111
And that pilum would not have survived, at least recognizably so. As pictured in the second link above, pilum were made from raw iron, not steel, and rusted terribly.
The head would have been an iron rod with a pyramid on top, effectively. Which, interestingly enough, you can make out such a rod-like shape at the heart of this spearhead.
Interestingly, considering the spear was actually a pilum would make it more Biblically significant.
Take a look at the Iron Rod mentions in the Bible:
https://www.openbible.info/topics/iron_rod
Actually, when Jesus died, he was given all the markings of a King, but done in mockery:
Two days before he was anointed for his burial by a woman bearing an alabaster flask, which his own disciples challenged him on, as an alabaster flask of fragrant oil was very expensive. This tracks a king's anointing before coronation.
They held an election between the Barabbas the Insurrectionary(not actually just a murderer, he slew a Roman officer while leading a resistance to free Judah from occupation), and Jesus.
He bore a crown of thorns, which punctured his skull.
He was scourged, which mimicked kings being fanned with palm fronds.
He briefly bore a red(violet and red were interchangeable in Greek) cape.
He was judged and found unblemished by the Roman Governor (Pontius Pilate) who went on to place a INRIover him on the cross, basically doing the Roman paperwork necessary to designate him a King.
He was given Vinegar to drink and Gaul(a curative oil).
He was punctured by a rod of iron / scepter. Notable that he was stabbed in the same place Adam had his rib removed, though no bones of Jesus were broken.
Basically.. The Romans and Pharisees unwittingly performed the entire Coronation Rite on Jesus, but in mockery.
I'm probably missing a few, but there are far more than enough to make the case that Jesus wasn't just a normal prophet. He truly was the King of Kings and just as he said, "they know not what they do", we really were clueless at the time that we were coronating him in the most savage way imaginable.
What indignant little jerks we are, aye?
I need a little more on the thorns punctured the skull please. No bones were broken and the material of the skull is bone.
https://www.catholic.com/qa/did-crown-of-thorns-break-jesus-skull
Forgive me, punctured isn't the greatest term.
This is a semantic thing.
The sum of it is that the thorns may have not "broken" his skull, but rather dug deep enough to scrape the bone.
You got me on why they went so detailed, but it was probably to emphasize that it was so embedded into his skull that no one could take it off without ripping flesh. The goal with that point would be to illustrate that he died on the cross with the crown intact.
If you watch the Antarctic video posted by Greekish, you will see a very brief photo of this spear point. This is why I posted my photo -- so you could get a better look at it. The reason for some of what you see on the blade is due to the fact that it was broken and these are the early attempts to put it back together.
It's hard to see in my photo, but there is a line of writing down the center of the gold section, which I believe is there to help hold all of it together.
It doesn't matter whether this spear is authentic or not -- the point is, the Nazi's believed it was.
The more I look at it, the more I believe it is the spear, but with a WHOLE BUNCH of fluff added onto it.
The center rod, under all the wire and held inside the blade, has a tapered point like a Pilum.
Those pair of square nubs further down that center shaft with yellow X's on them seem like either points where the original blacksmiths added weight to the head of the pilum, some geometry to allow for bindings to attach and secure the head, or to serve as stops so the pilum would get stuck in the shield.
In other words, most of what we are looking at may just be a spear-head shaped container to protect the real pilum spear head nestled in the heart of it.
The outer blade could also be there as a base for a sacrificial anode material to prevent corrosion.
The outer blade could have been brazed with a layer of brass (zinc-copper) and that would corrode faster than anything else around it, preserving the center spear head. Zinc lends itself well to brazing, but the copper would be necessary because solid zinc requires somewhat of a vacuum to smelt on its own.
I need a better picture to verify that the blade had a layer of brazing on it, now corroded as is its function, but that's where my mind is right now.
not sure why this doesn't have MOAR updoots! Great work!
Whoa, that's pretty amazing!! Thanks for sharing
why do you think it's real? nothing else is.