A lot of us outside of the Metroplex ( Seattle) and Oly, have prepared! I can neither confirm nor deny that I may or may not have loaded up on as much green tip ammo as i may have or may not have obtained!
Importantly, you cant GET black tips which are armor piercing, or "AP", from a local store and anyone bragging about having them is stupid to begin with. Only way you can is if you "know someone" or are federally approved, just like having a class 3 license for a machinegun ownership. But who wants the latter option? You'll be one of the first [they] come for.
Green tips are improved penetrators only, not AP, and can be obtained locally. They WILL go thru all non-military body armor, which sounds contrary to being a "non-AP round", but body armor is still considered to be a "soft target" up to class 3a...hence the distinction. Coincidentally, this includes anything cops have access to wearing during normal duty; i.e. level 1, 2, and 3a.
Class 3 (plate carriers) and up is no chance unless you have a larger and heavier caliber than .223/5.56; i.e. .338 Lapua (and larger) will zing right thru Class 3, for instance. Anything better than Class 3 will require larger calibers and actual AP rounds (e.g. steel cores) to have a chance of going thru...although it will definitely knock whoever is hit right square on their asses and out of the fight from pain, even if it doesn't penetrate, because the energy and mass of the round still obeys physics and transfers.
Hope this short synopsis helps those not knowing the difference.
Edit: almost forgot: Source=myself and 24rs military, most of which was in warzones.
Ah, I see. Your initial post was a bit vague on the misconception part, which is the reason I asked and then went into a short explanation of difference to any lurking about which round does what and why.
You're right about the "magic bullet" opinion....I see it all too much myself which, again, dovetailed into the separation explanation.
I've a slight disagreement with the Edit about green tips though. Ballistically speaking, green tips do what they are advertised to do: more penetration before losing energy, which makes them especially suited to punching through tough hides...or low-level body armors...to inflict deeper wounds to soft bits under, or behind, hides or armors before breaking up or diverting energy. A standard FMJ will penetrate low level body armors, yes, but a lot of that energy will be lost punching through and break up of the round beginning with initial impact. Green tips, not so much. That little teflon tip does a lot more than people give it credit.
The thing people need to understand about soft-point, teflon tipped (not just AR greens), FMJ's, or AP rounds (or the myriad of other types of specialized rounds), is application to target. Many haven't a clue and they really need to learn. 1 shot is all that it should take and when that shot doesnt do as expected, that hesitation can turn the tables in a bad way. Ammo application is crucial to any engagement.
Long winded version of saying green tips aren't "moot", if the shooter knows what they're good for doing and not doing. Remember: ammo makers dont typically waste research and money on creating rounds that another round of the same caliber/make will do. There has to be a niche to fill that another round won't do, or wont do as well. Thus, green tips do better than standard FMJ's on specific target types, in this discussion meaning...body armors. Savvy?
A lot of us outside of the Metroplex ( Seattle) and Oly, have prepared! I can neither confirm nor deny that I may or may not have loaded up on as much green tip ammo as i may have or may not have obtained!
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Cant decide what bringing up black tips had to do with anything in the convo?
They were stocking on green tips for the added penetrating power on soft targets, not hard.
Further, for those needing to know the difference since you brought it up---
Importantly, you cant GET black tips which are armor piercing, or "AP", from a local store and anyone bragging about having them is stupid to begin with. Only way you can is if you "know someone" or are federally approved, just like having a class 3 license for a machinegun ownership. But who wants the latter option? You'll be one of the first [they] come for.
Green tips are improved penetrators only, not AP, and can be obtained locally. They WILL go thru all non-military body armor, which sounds contrary to being a "non-AP round", but body armor is still considered to be a "soft target" up to class 3a...hence the distinction. Coincidentally, this includes anything cops have access to wearing during normal duty; i.e. level 1, 2, and 3a.
Class 3 (plate carriers) and up is no chance unless you have a larger and heavier caliber than .223/5.56; i.e. .338 Lapua (and larger) will zing right thru Class 3, for instance. Anything better than Class 3 will require larger calibers and actual AP rounds (e.g. steel cores) to have a chance of going thru...although it will definitely knock whoever is hit right square on their asses and out of the fight from pain, even if it doesn't penetrate, because the energy and mass of the round still obeys physics and transfers.
Hope this short synopsis helps those not knowing the difference.
Edit: almost forgot: Source=myself and 24rs military, most of which was in warzones.
Ah, I see. Your initial post was a bit vague on the misconception part, which is the reason I asked and then went into a short explanation of difference to any lurking about which round does what and why.
You're right about the "magic bullet" opinion....I see it all too much myself which, again, dovetailed into the separation explanation.
I've a slight disagreement with the Edit about green tips though. Ballistically speaking, green tips do what they are advertised to do: more penetration before losing energy, which makes them especially suited to punching through tough hides...or low-level body armors...to inflict deeper wounds to soft bits under, or behind, hides or armors before breaking up or diverting energy. A standard FMJ will penetrate low level body armors, yes, but a lot of that energy will be lost punching through and break up of the round beginning with initial impact. Green tips, not so much. That little teflon tip does a lot more than people give it credit.
The thing people need to understand about soft-point, teflon tipped (not just AR greens), FMJ's, or AP rounds (or the myriad of other types of specialized rounds), is application to target. Many haven't a clue and they really need to learn. 1 shot is all that it should take and when that shot doesnt do as expected, that hesitation can turn the tables in a bad way. Ammo application is crucial to any engagement.
Long winded version of saying green tips aren't "moot", if the shooter knows what they're good for doing and not doing. Remember: ammo makers dont typically waste research and money on creating rounds that another round of the same caliber/make will do. There has to be a niche to fill that another round won't do, or wont do as well. Thus, green tips do better than standard FMJ's on specific target types, in this discussion meaning...body armors. Savvy?
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