I'm not claiming it is, or isn't, but hear me out here. Tobacco usage started tapering off, and all of the supposed "research" about it causing cancer began coming out roughly the same time Rockefeller took over the the medical industry and started pushing out established medicinal principles and knowledge. Fast forward a little bit, and Big Tobacco starts messing with the cigarette recipes to increase profit margins. They stopped using pure tobacco and started mixing it with various additives that today are known to cause cancer. This then spread to other "lesser" forms of tobacco. Chew, snuff, dip, etc.
The two outliers here, are Cigars and Pipes. Both tend to be "higher class/quality", rarely if ever have additives and have remained "pure". In doing so, several studies (Which you can easily find with a quick search), have shown that smoking up to two average sized cigars results in an absurdly small increase in chances of developing cancer of any kind.
On the other hand, nicotine, the main "ingredient" in tobacco products, actually has quite a few health benefits if used in moderation. Increased neural functions, improved memory, lowered chance of Dementia, increased blood flow (which promotes hair growth, muscle growth, etc.), etc. etc.
The point I'm trying to make here, is what if tobacco isn't bad for you in and of itself. Rather, it's all the crap the cabal companies stuff into their products to increase profits. If true, this is kind of like the soy thing. Pushing the populace into accepting some new "standard belief" that actually works against them and then engineering the results they want to "prove their point". Think about it? How often did you hear about tobacco linked cancer before the 40's and 50's? The Native Americans used tobacco in spiritual rituals for how many thousands of years with little to no negative side effects?
And then there's examples like Winston Churchill. Guys who chain smoked 10+ cigars a day, never had cancer, or so much as a cough, and lived into their 90s.
I'm curious what everyone's thoughts are on this topic.
Nicotine actually inhibits Covid.
Straight from dot gov site https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04583410
down the rabbit hole https://duckduckgo.com/?q=nicotine+covid+vaccine&atb=v205-1&ia=web
What DOESN'T inhibit or kill COVID at this point, other than Remdesmvir?
So called vaccines dont seem to do much either
Great topic here! I think you are on to something. My father’s family grew up raising tobacco in TN back in the ‘30s-50’s. I believe God put everything on this earth we need. Tobacco in its natural state I’m sure has a medicinal purpose. What they added to mass produce cigarettes is what caused cancer, not the tobacco itself. I feel the Cabal destroyed the tobacco industry on purpose and made generations fearful of the tobacco plant. The question is why? Will be interested to see other comments here...thank you
Highlighting the addictive portion, reducing the costly portion.
Tobacco is anti parasitic I’ve used it to deworm my dogs
In the old days people would swallow chewing tobacco to kill off parasites.
Nicotine can be medicinal in minute quantities but in large concentrations is also used as a pesticide, one has to be careful and wear gloves as that very high concentration is toxic to humans as well.
yes, that is also true. It can also be used on stings, to reduce swelling
Everything burnt is carcinogenic, including food cooked on the grill. My Uncle got throat cancer from too many Joints, he never smoked tobacco, only weed. He smoked as much as IceT... But, I do agree tobacco has been vilified and lied about including recently...
Nicotine blocks the ACE2 receptors thus preventing cv19 spike protein from attaching. (probably other corona viruses as well) This was well known at the beginning of the pandemic that smokers were not getting infected at a higher rate like experts expected.
In fact the number of hospitalized smokers with c19 was so small that intelligent people started to look into why, while bureaucrats and media censored the truth of the findings. Nurses in NYC and other locations were using nicotine patches as prophylactic against c19.
you can find older studies if you search but the data has since been buried/censored and scrubbed from the web, replaced with untrue, damning, fake "science". Webmd had a good article on it in April 2020. It is archived on their site now. https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200430/smokers-hospitalized-less-often-for-covid-19
Smoking is also an anti-inflammatory and the NIH has studies showing it can be beneficial in some disease scenarios where inflammation is an issue.
I believe that the "second hand smoke" vilification was done to distract people from the real culprits, like the chemicals and pesticides used in out agriculture and packaging processes as well as industrial toxins many are exposed to every day. Even as MANY people have quit smoking and almost all businesses and public areas have banned smoking, the rates of illness they say are caused by "second hand smoke" has still increased year after year. I am not saying that no one has ever been injured by second hand smoke, I am sure a few have. It is being used as a scapegoat to steer people away from the real polluters, meanwhile government agencies and media are blowing smoke up everyone's A$$, with the second hand smoke issue.
The issue still with second hand smoke was the tar that got deposited everywhere, I had a used computer I salvaged that had been behind a bar (point of sale system) back when smoking was still allowed and that thing was sticky inside and out. I cleaned off the case with bleach and discovered it was actually white and not beige.
Yeah, those computers love to smoke though...
The fans pull the smoke right in there and the plastic has a static charge that pulls the smoke particles right to it.
That was t the issue. It was about a protest to see how well the sheep would turn on and harass a target. Testing the waters to gage if they could rally sheep against others. That was the entire end game..be divisional insight the sheep and see if they were ready for the real harassment.......like we see now. Nothing to do with health or tar or second hand smoke. Expand your thinking.
I've never had an issue with the canned spray foam (like Great Stuff) but if you meant the stuff you actually spray onto walls from pressurized cylinders you will mess up your lungs if you don't wear a respirator as there will be little particles of the foam in the air around you and you can imagine what that might do if you inhale it while it's in a semi-cured state.
As for burning Teflon cookware, that is a danger if done often enough especially for birds. As they have more sensitive lungs with more relative surface area per body size there is a reason you're told to not keep the bird cage in your kitchen if you use Teflon cookware or you're find out that "canary in a coal mine" has a real basis.
For every patient I have that’s a firefighter with CA, they have stories of many other firefighters they know or work with who also have some type of CA. One of them told me that they all blame their job exposure and think of it as a matter of “when they get CA”, not “if”. I dunno why but I always remember that particular patient, probably b/c it was a pretty depressing conversation and I never realized firefighting could be hazardous in other ways besides actually fighting fire. There are so many things that we’re exposed to daily that cause CA, it’s amazing that anyone’s body is ever able to fight it off at all.
Dentists often die of lung issues due to the exposure of toxins in their job.
Never have root canal. Causes heart attacks. Cardiologists know. The nerve ending go all the way to the heart with as you say mold spores or whatever.
I am amazed root canals still happen. I wouldn't do one if I were a dentist..could get sued if a patient not warned. It's very common to have a heart attack after this.
Not the weed...its from the aerosol in the can...like huffing.....also...alcohol is more damaging than weed.
Passive smoking study was fabricated so as to endorse a ban on public smoking.
That second hand smoke crap was a test to see how well the sheep responded to the call to bullying others.....testing the waters for what we see now. Rabid sheep piling on the rabbit.
Interesting premise. Maybe we can start doing science again in the coming years.
I think the chemicals and additives and plastics have really damaged our health overall…but it’s hard to know which ones. I stopped putting Saran Wrap over my dish in the microwave though years ago. All that hot plastic melting all over my food can’t be good for you.
And to think they said cigarettes BAD, but vaping GOOD, then vaping BAD, but smoking weed GOOD.
They are just constantly F*&%*^ with us.
I don’t even vape, but please tell me why you cannot vape in a park? Isn’t vaping just expelling water vapor? But you can smoke weed?
This actually made me think of something else I've been researching lately. What's with the weird hate on vaping? It's been proven, consistently over the last 15 years since it first became a thing, that vaping is MUCH healthier than any other form of nicotine delivery system. All of the "explosions" were caused by user error of people not knowing what they were doing. Likewise, that weird "popcorn lung" thing a few years back was the result of stupid kids trying to add THC into their vape liquid, resulting in a chemical reaction.
Vaping, as you said, is literally just water/vegetable oil vapor. There's little to no smell, essentially no lingering odor/residue, and as an often ignored bonus, the literal hot vapor you're inhaling improves lung functions if you have clogged sinuses since it will break up the mucus like a regular vaporizer/humidifier.
In fact, the UK has, as of a few years ago, started prescribing zero nicotine vaping as a method of treating congestion based lung aliments.
So you get all of the benefits of nicotine that I mentioned in the post, combined with zero downsides and an added bonus of IMPROVED lung function.
There is literally no downside to vaping if looked at from that perspective. Yet, it's been freaking vilified in most countries. That just adds to my point and makes me even more convinced that the cabal is trying to prevent people from partaking of nicotine products. Possibly in order to "dumb down" the population since, as I mentioned, it increases neurological functions and improves memory.
Kind of like how they put fluoride in the water to make every dumber as well.
Hmmm…yes the no vaping never made any sense to me…it may be another interesting data point dissuading people from getting nicotine. I’ll get some nicotine gum tomorrow.
There is one state in the mainland US which does not fluoridate their water…Nevada.
Kids do fluoride rinses to protect against caries.
Tobacco Master Settlement in the USA (other policies elsewhere). States are paid per-smoker by Big Tobacco for the harm done to smokers, with the trade-off that they protect Big Tobacco from being sued by citizens. If people switched to vaping, the states lose the money. They've all borrowed deeply against future payments already. And they couldn't include vaping because they'd be unable to prove it harms people.
It's horrible to say that vaping uses vegetable oil. That would be deadly. It uses vegetable glycerine which has been known safe for inhalation for 50+ years. Oil or oil vapor in the lungs causes pneumonia quickly, only some CBD idiots even tried it.
To be clear, Popcorn Lung is caused by massive inhalation of a certain flavoring, the one used in microwave popcorn. No vaper was ever harmed by it, only people in popcorn factories. People really liked it as a part of creamy vape flavors, but the industry abandoned its use voluntarily out of an abundance of caution.
Some vegetable oils are super bad for you. What oil is used in vaping prods?
Oil vapor is extremely toxic and causes pneumonia real fast. Some of the CBD idiots tried it, and died, and were used as evidence against real vaping.
Actual vaping (nicotine products) uses vegetable glycerine as a carrier and never any kind of oil. Vegetable glycerine vapor has been considered safe for inhalation for 50+ years now, and is commonly used in ventilators (for moisture) and hospital ventilation systems (as an antimicrobial).
All flavorings also avoid any oil content (its no different than smelling a cake baking), and the nicotine is pure and water-soluble (like in the gum). There's nothing else in eliquid. For a while, there was a yummy buttery flavor in use (water-based also), but in huge industrial amounts it could be harmful. Though it didn't ever harm any vaper, the vaping industry still voluntarily abandoned it out of an abundance of caution. Vaping was designed to bridge the gap between smoking and quitting, to get people healthy; and tried to do so responsibly, safely, and thoughtfully. The government hates healthy people once they get near retirement age; they've crusaded against vaping, and everything on the government side has been pure propaganda.
That wouldn't surprise me.
I believe I heard on the hour of the time that they'll purposefully grow tobacco on uranium mine tailings piles
That are pushing vaping which is all synthetic. Tobacco had medicinal uses but we must question everything the so-called medical community says.
The problem with that is that, in my research at least, they've basically vilified vaping. The omnibus stimulus bill they passed in 2020, more or less tried to kill the vaping industry with a few tack ons that changed the regulation around shipping and whatnot in the vape industry. At the same time, they keep pushing for legalization of weed, which you have to smoke obviously.
I'm more or less convinced that this is part of their centuries long scheme to dumb down the population. Especially when you consider that vaping basically has all the benefits of smoking, including a unique benefit that can help people with congestion based ailments, and none of the drawbacks of smoking or other forms of tobacco use.
I know this subject well. Vaping, like gum, uses nicotine derived from tobacco and, like gum, does not carry any risk of cancer. Nicotine's potential for harm lies solely with children and pregnant women as it appears to negatively affect the health of the developing brain. The risk of cancer from tobacco smoke is small but existent, the harm (cancer, emphysema, COPD, etc.) and addictiveness of smoking is primarily from the intentional additives. Cancer is often the result of doing something (anything) a lot and the additives especially mean there aren't many 'occasional' smokers. Unenhanced tobacco is as addictive as soda, but with additives it's worse than crack.
They did vilify vaping. They've listed it as a regulated tobacco product no matter where the nicotine is derived from (ie: tomatoes), and even if there is no nicotine in the liquid. Eliquid is vegetable glycerine (vaporized in ventilators and hospital air systems), flavoring (vaporized when baking a cake), and typically nicotine. Remove the nicotine entirely and the FDA still calls it a regulated tobacco product. If you flavor the VG in your ventilator, you're an unlicensed eliquid manufacturer. Vaping is harmless, and effective to defeat smoking. It works, so it had to die.
The Tobacco Master Settlement between gov't and the states says that citizens may not sue tobacco companies, but tobacco companies will pay the states yearly to allow tobacco (smoking) use. Then, the states will have to deal with the citizens who get sick and die from smoking. They don't; instead, this money is spent on bonuses and projects. Most states have taken out loans based on future Master Settlement funds to get cash now. Payments are based on the number of smokers, so the states themselves cannot allow smoking to stop. They can't afford to suddenly have fewer smokers - the money is already spent, years in advance. The governments killed vaping to keep people smoking, to continue to prosper financially off of Big Tobacco's mass murder. It's good for SSI, too; because people die. The CDC, AMA, AHA, FDA are all complicit. You see ads now to stop vaping, but they're pretty quiet about stopping smoking.
Props to ghostsage for all of the great vape info. Helps confirm, to me, that vaping is much better for you than we're being lead on about. From research I did about 4-5 years ago along with talking to an old co-worker who was big into vaping. Big Tobacco definitely wants to control the industry because we can't have a cheap, healthy alternative that circumvents the elites slow-killing of the population.
This thread and the weed thread from earlier today were nice breaks from the usual GAW discussion topics.
Interesting. As you point out we have to analyze why they push a narrative regarding our health.It may be to destroy our health, to make them rich or some other sinister motive.
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You probably have a point here, but I couldn't care less about tobacco of all the things.
My logic is that, assuming this is true, this is another method the cabal has used to rob us of something that could be beneficial to us.
I think smoking cigarettes causes cancer - this is based on personal experience. If you are asking about smoking tobacco, that is a different question.
That's kind of my point. Cigarettes have various additives in them nowadays, but back in say, the 20's they didn't. They were basically smaller cigars rolled in paper instead of tobacco leaves. Hence CIGARette.
Cigarettes are made for reconstituted sheet tobacco .. I would hardly even call it tobacco but a chemical connection
And at some point in the they added fire retardant chemicals to make them go out if not puffed on every few seconds to avoid people causing fires because they fell asleep while smoking. I'm sure that addition has nothing to do with cancer, no sir.
This came about sometime around 2008-2009, and wasn't fully rolled out until Winston and American Spirits Caved sometime around 2011. The process involves treating the filters with Scotchgard, there are no adulterants added to the tobacco itself.
In theory RYO should be OK in that regard, particularly if you use no filters, or natural cotton ones.
Edit : after looking into it further, apparently there are also modifications to the paper tube causing "speed bumps" to the burn by using thicker sections of non-porous paper.
Tobacco is good to inhibit lots of illness. My aunt was a non smoker and was told to smoke. She had tb of the spine. And was in a plaster cast for a few years. Also recommended for bowel problems.
Tobacco itself is like weed, it has some carcinogens like everything that burns, but all the additives they put in them is the hat really gets you. I smoke cigars every once in a while, and they taste way different.
It's the additives that are bad. I used to have a roll your own site here and they shut it down . Fresh tobacco no additives toss it in the machine n a carton of tubes..200 primo smokes for 19 bucks . The push on smokers was like their test to see how many they could pit against us..how blindly the sheep would fall in n bully others. It was like a litmus test. Small steps to bigger goals.
I believe the cigarette argument is about money. I don't buy pharma fear.
Not sure, but second hand smoke is bullshit.
The only way big tobacco would regulate "harmless"cigarettes is if there were something better, and I don't see it
However it is entirely possible the"science" was incorrect and they reacted to a false assertion.
Does it matter if it causes cancer?
The other affects are enough to stay the hell away from tobacco. I've known a lot of people that were chronic smokers, and two things will give them away every time. First they look fifteen to twenty years older than their age with the gray leathery skin. Second they almost invariabily end up with pulmonary issues of the heart and lungs. Many die of heart disease and many end up losing limbs in their later years because the circulatory system is ruined.
That's kind of my point. Perhaps I didn't convey it well enough. I'm saying that it's entirely possible that pretty much ALL negative side effects of tobacco usage are due to the chemical additives put in the stuff by cabal companies, which was then used to vilify the plant in general. Pretty much all of the other "side effects" you pointed out, are also generally speaking, only seen in those who use "lesser" tobacco products. Particularly cigarettes. But if you look at people who only use the "premium" products, high quality cigars and pipes, you rarely if ever see ANY of these side effects. And even when you do, there's more factors than just that at work in most cases.
I'm not saying any of this with absolution. I'm just saying it's entirely possible, this is another Fluoride situation. The cabal manipulating certain narratives to achieve their own goals. In this case, dumbing down the population and increasing medical conditions that they can monetize.
I smoked for 7 years and loved the effects on my brain function, not so much on my lungs.
Anything in excess can cause issues.
It's the suggestibility associated with it. That's why they flip flop on issues like eggs cause cholesterol, oh no wait, it's good cholesterol, no wait, it kills you. Saturated fat is the main cause of heart attack, no wait, it's not so bad.
Tobacco is a leaf, of course it can be abused. Food can be abused, anything could be. But if you believe the hype and think something is bad for you while consuming it obsessively, you will develop severe inner turmoil, leading to stress, leading to.. you guessed it, disease.
The body is self-healing. Every night when you sleep, the body repairs itself as best it can. If you do a little better tomorrow than today, then the healing will automatically overtake the damage, but people who are stressed out will always do worse.
Tobacco is not carcinogenic because cancer doesn't exist, at least not in the way oncologists diagnose it. When your system (body) is too poisoned for new cells to perform their activities, the cell will do the only thing it can - replicate. The remnants of the dead cell will linger and be removed by the circulatory system in time, but the poisonous/acidic environment of cell-birth will overtake this process of elimination of dead waste, leading to what we call tumors. Why should be trust a biopsy result any more than a covid test? Do you think this medical deception is something new they rolled out in 2020? They've been doing it for a century or more.
The cancer is not killing the body, it is trying to keep the body alive. Removing it will not solve the problem, which is why it often relapses or spreads to another system. If you increase the health of the system, these dead cells will be removed in time without the need for any extreme treatment and new cells will not immediately die and be able to regain their normal functions. How to do this is a whole another subject and will require several more paragraphs.
Am I a doctor to say any of these things with authority? Maybe once. But no one could ever tell me exactly what it is doctors were meant to dock. I'm guessing it was the merchandise?
There are a lot of additives in tobacco. I'd think about starting there for answers.
https://www.verywellmind.com/big-tobaccos-list-of-599-cigarette-additives-2824422
Yes and no. Overuse of natural tobacco has been shown anecdotally in history to cause cancer. George Washington for starters. It does causes oral and throat cancer.
It boils down to how much and how you use it. Pipe and cigar smokers are not the same as cigarette and chew users.
You can tell a smoker just my looking at their guns and can tell what side they smoke out of from the side with more damage. Doesn’t matter what they smoke.
If vaping includes water/vegetable oil inhalation as stated below, inhaling any kind of oil into the lungs can’t be good. Oil is thick and sticky, water dissipates. The two don’t mix, they separate.
Its not the tar, its the nicotine. Its one of the most addictive substances we know about, about ten cigarettes and you are hooked.
It ruins your love life by withdrawing blood from the outer layers of your skin, its tetarogenic, (produces deformities) raises blood pressure and its a neurotoxin, it won't do your nervous system any good at all.
The tobacco companies lied and lied and lied about its harmful effects despite knowing what it did for decades, they only told the truth when jail time was staring them in the face.
It is terrible stuff, period. Why do you think the huge companies wanted us to smoke in the first place? BIG PROFITS!!!
OP is wrong on many counts, how does anyone know that native americans thousands of years ago didn't suffer any negative effects? There wasn't any studies done on this all those years ago.
The knowledge of it causing cancer was only known about from the 1950's onwards, not the 19th century when Rockefeller implemented allopathy.
The tobacco companies were and still are part of the cabal, OP mentions studies, can he produce them and not tell us they are easy to find?
https://www.rstreet.org/2016/08/24/fda-study-cancer-risks-nearly-nil-for-1-2-cigars-per-day/