First, I am Catholic, and so is this other guy.
I responded to him and asked, "Do you remember how you felt when the first news about Catholic priest abuses in Boston broke, a couple of decades ago?"
He replied, "I was sort of numbed with disbelief."
"Okay," I continued, "and have you ever thought about how such a scandal could exist for so long, not to mention other scandals? Have you ever thought about the power structure at the top levels of the church administration that manipulated things to keep all the scandals a secret?"
"I guess I never thought of it that way," he replied.
"Well, " I said, "do you think that the the Catholic church is the only entity in the history of the world to have a power structure, and secret scandals, etc.?"
Silence.
"And so," I added, "by simple extrapolation, I am confident that a relatively tiny number of people in the highest positions among the governments, corporations and other institutions are all busy pushing their agendas, and protecting their secrets. And if that's true, it's probably just as true that an even higher level of controllers are orchestrating things to their advantage and to further their agenda."
Deer in the headlights stare.
So because some priests molested children that means Mary the MOTHER OF CHRIST deserves no praise?
The US government facilitates human trafficking yet we still love our country.
Not because pedopriest, simply because Jesus told us how to pray and who to pray to and he never said to pray to Mary. Only the father through Jesus. Do you pray to every significant person in the Bible? Bible Cleary states praying/worshiping anything other than the Father through christ Jesus is worship of a False Idol. Mary is dead in the ground but Jesus is alive and in us all. So you can continue the worship of idols but you already know the consequences of that.
Why do you not erect a statue of Mary's mother and pray to it. Is her mother not just as important? She was ordained to give birth to the person that was to give birth to Jesus. Mary wouldn't be here if God had not chosen her to birth Mary. Holy Mary's mom grandmother of grace. I mean why stop there. Whose Mary's grandma we need to pray to her because if it wasn't for Mary's grandma her mom couldn't have birthed her to birth the christ.
Catholics don't pray to Mary nor worship her statues. We ask Mary to pray for us. Surely you know the Confetior?
"I confess to almighty God, and to you, my brothers and sisters, that I have sinned through my own fault, in my thoughts and in my words, in what I have done, and in what I have failed to do; and I ask Blessed Mary, ever Virgin, all the angels and saints, and you, my brothers and sisters, to pray for me to the Lord our God. May almighty God have mercy on me, and forgive me my sins, and bring me to life everlasting. Amen"
Maybe do 5 seconds of research on the Catholic church before making nonsensical false claims.
So your attempting to communicate with spirits of the dead. Yeah thats not a good argument.
What part about Jesus saying "only through ME" did you not understand. Those prayers from Mary you requested to patch through to the Father was in vain. You should have asked Jesus Christ to pray for us. He's still alive and well.
Still dogding the question. WHY NO GRANDMOTHER OF GRACE? IS SHE NOT JUST AS IMPORTANT?
"so your attempting to communicate with spirits of the dead."
Uh, not really. Last I checked the whole fucking POINT of Christianity eternal life.
"What part about Jesus saying "only through ME" did you not understand." Oh, I understand it perfectly. Mary won't get me to heaven. Jesus will. But shitting on Catholics for asking her to pray for us is like shitting on a friend for asking you to pray for them. It's intercession and as far as I know intercession is perfectly okay.
"Hey buddy you kind saying a prayer for me I'm going through a tough time. Anything helps." "WeLl WhY dOnT yOu AsK jEsUs hUrR dUrR"
"Grandmother of grace" is a bullshit strawman fallacy and you know it. Let me ask you a question, do you really think it makes Jesus happy when people shit on his mother? And downplay her importance?
Jesus shouldn't be worshiped either. He came here as a example, not to be placed on a pedestal. Man has managed to distort and corrupt that, too.
Fuck I know. Catholics ate brainwashed into false idols and get mad when you ask where in the Bible it says to pray to Mary. They literally love their little denomination more than Jesus Christ. Who did not found the catholic church. His apostles did that so as imperfect humans we can't say that is the route Jesus meant for them to take. The apostles turned what Jesus did into a company and lost its grassroots features.
That wasn't the apostles. Rome did that. The head of Rome became the head of the church. Constantine is the big one who merged early Christianity with paganism to form Catholicism.
Sunday worship (sun worship)
Mary worship (Ishtar/Semiramus)
Christmas (solstice festival)
Lent (Semiramus wept 40 days in ashes for Tammuz)
Trinity (most pagan faiths have a Trinity)
Eucharist and wine as literal body and blood of Christ (human sacrifice is a major part of early paganism)
The Roman Catholic church is the harlot who rides the beast (Revelation 17).
Makes sense now. I've been leary of the apostles since the catholics tote that around like the church was ordained by Jesus himself. So they always resort to apostle Paul as the founder. I figured if this is what the apostles created then fuck that they got corrupt as soon as Jesus left. But now that you cleared that up I can read the apostles in the bible without so much criticism
Downvotes confirm your over the target.
Thank you for the clarification.
Say what? The Holy Mother of Jesus Christ deserves the greatest love and reverence — she is the shining light that all should seek. I suppose this might be a “Catholic” thing; but any Christian would agree, no?
Um. No. You see, Christians are supposed to follow scripture and the scripture doesn't say to worship Mary. It says to worship God.
Catholics let tradition rule over scripture. They do this because Catholicism is heavily influenced by paganism.
Excuse you? 6daysandrest, stop being such a judgmental fool. If you want to fight about religion, go to another board. I’m Catholic, and I stand for Jesus, His Mother, and God. Peace be with you.
PS why are you even on this board on a Sunday, 6daysandrest? Aren’t you supposed to be resting rather than arguing?
Well, she gave birth to God’s only Son. So…with that…your argument is nil and void. I wish you a happy Sunday, though! So much good is happening now!