I was in the US Navy during the same time John McCain was.
Actually, he got out after I did.
I never met John McCain or did I ever hear his name spoken before while I served in the US navy.
However, there was lingering "talk" about 'some' individual, and his name was never mentioned.
Here's how I learned about "NO NAME".
I learned about "NO NAME" in a Damage Control (DC) class (that all personnel were required to take). Shipboard personnel were required to take these courses repeatedly. It was something they wanted to really drum in everyone's head. Whenever, there is a mishap and the sea-worthiness of the vessel is threatened, it is Damage Control (DC) that is taught that can save a ship from sinking. I'll let the reader find out about DC on their own.
After 44 years, I still have dreams about the times I had to watch the tragic CV-59 USS Forrestal Fire film. I remember EVERY aspect of it. I watched it so many times.
A couple of my DC instructors were "old-timers" that were stationed on the USS Forrestal when the famous catastrophic conflagration occurred.
Everyone on that ship KNEW what actually happened to cause this fire and carnage to occur.
The two instructors I had for this DC course told me that the Forrestal fire was the result of a single'certain' person, who they could not name, but told me was a son of a high admiral in the US Navy.
I remember asking - if it was an accident, why couldn't the name of the person be mentioned? I was told that everyone knew on the Forrestal who it was. One instructor told me the ones that did speak out, got different orders and disappeared. These instructors knew not to speak his name because they didn't want their careers ruined either.
I'll say this, I never knew who NO NAME was while I served in the Navy. I only found out later who NO NAME actually was afterwards and it hit me like a pile of bricks. This was well before 'Q' came on the scene.
Isn't it interesting that 'Q' referred to John McCain as "NO NAME".
These instructors off the Forrestal could never say his name because they were ordered not to reveal his name.
I wonder if 'Q' knows John McCain caused the Forrestal disaster, in which 134 sailors died and 161 more were injured and the reason 'Q' referred to him as "NO NAME?
Thank you for your service and for sharing your story, fren. It's imperative that we shine a light on these dark times so that the world learns the truth. Far too much has been hidden in the shadows.
I am positive Q would know about the disaster on the USS Forrestal and the hot shot pilot that caused it all. The swamp is deep and as old as this nation. Thank you for the service you gave for our great country!
"In June 1967, Forrestal departed Norfolk for duty in waters off Vietnam. In the Gulf of Tonkin on 29 July, Forrestal had been launching aircraft from her flight deck. For four days, the planes of Attack Carrier Air Wing 17 flew about 150 missions against targets in North Vietnam from the ship. On 29 July 1967, during preparation for another strike, a Zuni rocket installed on an F-4 Phantom (#110), misfired, impacting an armed A-4 Skyhawk's side #405, parked on the port side.[10] The rocket's impact dislodged and ruptured the Skyhawk's 400-gallon external fuel tank. Fuel from the leaking tank caught fire, creating a serious conflagration that burned for hours, killing 134, injuring 161, destroying 21 aircraft and costing the Navy US$72 million. On the flight deck that day was Lieutenant Commander (later Senator) John McCain."
Ha! Tell me No-Name was responsible for the fire without telling me he was responsible for the fire.
"Political cartoonist Ben Garrison published a post that alleges that the late Sen. John McCain started a fire aboard the USS Forrestal in 1967 that killed 134 people. It said that McCain “wet-started” his plane, over-fueling the jet engine in order to create a dramatic plume of fire on ignition, and that the flame set off a bomb, which started the fire."
“McCain actually did an illegal ‘wet start’ which caused flames to shoot out the back of his jet and start a fire that caused the A/C behind him to catch fire and the resulting conflagration started bombs blowing up,” one user tweeted Tuesday.
“Dont forget McCain thought it would be Cool to Wet Start his plane on deck with bombs loaded which in turn killed several of his fellow soldiers,” another user tweeted Sunday."
The fact-checkers say the story is false, so you know darn well it's true.
'Wet-starting' a jet engine aircraft was an old 'hot dog' prank used in fly-boy country. My understanding is that with the newer aircraft this is no longer possible. In the 1980s Tom Cruz movie -- "Top Gun" when the character, "Maverick" 'buzzed' the Control Tower, it was actually a spoof of this. No pilot would ever dare buzz a control tower because this would certainly be grounds to dismiss any pilot from the military. Incidentally, it's very ironic that John McCain was commonly described as a '"maverick" during his actual political career. Premeditated 'wet-starting' an engine on an open airfield wasn't nearly as determinable. Sometimes it occurred due to poor judgment and inexperience. There was always some 'plausible deniablity'. However, an aircraft carrier is not an open airfield. The rules are much stricter due to the higher density of aircraft and traffic. Therefore, it was strictly managed. The air wing on-board are highly trained to manage the movement of aircraft at all times, especially in 'air-ops'.
I once witnessed an aircraft-traffic controller direct a pilot to maneuver his aircraft one way, but the pilot turned the opposite way. The result was that the air-traffic controller was put in the path of the jet engine exhaust and I watched this individual get blown like a leaf in the path of a leaf blower into the "island" (super structure) of the ship. He was very lucky of the direction he was blown and that it wasn't to sea side of the flight deck. He could have been easily blown overboard. I ran down from the O9 level to the O3 flight deck level only to see this guy being helped in inside the door by others. The whole time this shaken individual was swearing and cursing about the pilot that screwed up. I'm sure the pilot was reprimanded for this.
Wet-starting an engine on an aircraft carrier is beyond stupid. It turns out McCain did a lot of very stupid things in the military. I believe he has the record for destroying and costing the military for crashed aircraft.
yeah, through Q a lot of us found out about it years ago.. we were calling him " Johnny Wet-Start " because it was the condition his engines were started in that caused the fire and he knew he was doing it but wanted to be a hotshot.. some other anon clued us in to this " wet-start " phrase to describe what he was trying to do in order to stroke his ego, which went so very badly.
Can confirm your story. Spent 9 yrs in the Navy. My first duty station was ship's company aboard USS Nimitz as an AO. Was assigned to Repair Locker 1Fox for DC. Had to watch that Forrestal vid in "A" School, "C" School, and again as a member of Repair 1Fox. Had a couple old timers, Vietnam era still around. And they basically said the same thing. I've seen that damn video so many times, like you OP, the images are permanently burned into my frontal cortex. It actually gave me nightmares for a few days. Scared the living piss out of all of us trainees. But that mishap has saved countless lives since, because it's beaten into ALL Ordie and Avionics pukes to ALWAYS Double, Triple, Quadruple check the safety pins BEFORE running stray voltage checks.
"Officially," it was "stray voltage" that arced across No Name's plane, from the cockpit ordnance selector to the rocket pod station on his bird, set of a couple 5" Zuni rockets. They were doing what's called a "hot load." It's when a plane is on the deck being reloaded with fuel/ordnance, usually after returning from a combat sortie while the plane is still running. Pilots would sit in the cockpit with their birds "turning" (engines running) while the ABF's and AO's are loading the plane. Highly dangerous, and now, thanks to the Oriskanny, Forrestal, and Enterprise fires in the 60's, it's been seems too dangerous and "illegal" except during war time.
Well, No Name's plane was all loaded up and ready to go, except for one final avionics/ordnance check, the dreaded and highly dangerous "stray voltage" check. Anyway, once the Avionics guy on the deck got to that rocket post station and checked it with a multimeter, it pickled off two rockets. No Name had "forgot" to turn his station selector switch to the "OFF" position during the stray village check. The AO Safety Observer "forgot" to "Safe" the ordnance stations on No Name's bird. We have non conductive metal pins that we insert into the various launchers and bomb racks that eliminate the threat of stray voltage arcing thru the plane and pickling off ordnance. You can watch the Avionics guy touch the rocket pod and it immediately set off two rockets into the planes being hot loaded across the deck. Like, as soon as he touched the rocket pod, it went off.
Officially, it was ruled an accident, but that Avionics guy lost his job and was summarily boosted. No Name got to stay in and was labeled a "hero" for nearly being cooked alive in his bird. The Ordnance Safety Observer was booted, too for failing to safe No Name's plane. I think the Air Boss's and C.O.'s careers were shit canned, too, at the behest of No Name's father.
That guy was a highly protected individual, due to his father being an Admiral, throughout his whole career. Rumors of drinking on duty, cocaine abuse while in college and in the fleet, being late to Ready Room Briefs, being late to watch and late to flight ops, and philandering with women while he was married all were swept under the rug. He was a shit pilot, too. One of our Tomcat C.O.'s was very outspoken about No Name and how shitty of a pilot and person he really was. Like, he barely graduated flight school. His father had to intervene a handful of times, especially during his final flight quals, pulled strings to make sure his son passed Basic Flight and earned a covered role as one of Fighter Jocks.
When he was shit down, the rumors immediately started spreading about his capitulating with the NVA and dining out a bunch of our other POW pilots. Fucker gave away all kinds of Intel on our flight paths, aircraft and ordnance capabilities, ship positions, etc. And he dimed out the guy who tried to pass a note to Hanoi Jane when she visited Hanoi Hilton, after she handed tr note to the Warden. That last sentence is verifiable fact. Yet, because Daddy was an Admiral, he was protected from treason and colluding with the enemy charges which would've most likely led to his execution.
Now, I don't know if anyone would purposely leave their Station Selector Switch in an active position, especially knowing what the risks are during a stray voltage check, while also leaving his cockpit open for fresh air. I like to think he was just an idiot that didn't deserve to be in uniform, much less piloting a war plane, but with No Name and his background as an inattentive hot head, member of a Cabal Family (supposedly linked to the original Cain Clan), we can't be too sure. It could've all been down on purpose. Maybe he didn't think he'd be physically affected, who knows?
But everything he did after that "accident" was DEFINITELY done to help ensure America's demise.
Interesting insight here. You mentioned he was a "shit" pilot, and that agrees to what I learned as well. When he 'volunteered' to making those bombing runs in NV, I read somewhere he was flying too low and it was the reason why his aircraft was shot down. I believe 'daddy' demanded he volunteer for redeeming him from the 'sins' of his past.
NO NAME had no business flying. Without 'daddy' NO NAME would have been washed out of flight school and perhaps the military service. Just like in the movie "Top Gun" Val Kilmer's character "Ice" told "Maverick" to his face he was "dangerous". This was also obviously true for NO NAME. He was dangerous. After getting hit by enemy fire, NO NAME ejected from his aircraft, but he didn't follow protocol and as a result broke both his arms when he ejected from the aircraft. That's a big fundamental 'no-no' that sheds more light on his ineptness. Landing in a lake, he was at the mercy of Vietnamese fishermen who roughed him pretty good before turning him over to the VC. It must have been a pleasant surprise to the VC for someone like this to fall into their hands.
I watched the testimony of a POW who said NO NAME never stayed in the same area as the other POWS. It was also disclosed that after NO NAMES capture, the American forces were suddenly losing half their aircraft making these bombing runs into NV. So bad were the losses the US military halted the bombing runs into NV entirely. It was said NO NAME provided the coordinates of the bombing runs and the VC then set up anti-craft artillery along the entire path.
Interesting legacy, no? It is easy to see how NO NAME was a completely controlled asset to the Deep State.
I worked with Navy pilots and a few hundred Vietnam vets who were in aircraft related fields. More than a few despised Noname but never discussed why. I figured it was the Forrestal incident and the reports of hotshot, stupid actions by McCain including the reason he was shot down. [Test]
Well, Sir, I'll just sit back and confirm everything you said. I was on Yankee station when Forrestal burned, and did many helo flights to and from with injured and dead. And everyone DID know what happened. I crewed the flight that took no name to CinCPacFlt; he was in chains, and the deck crew had roped off our landing spot. I still think if I had tossed him out at angels 4, the Masters at Arms would not have objected.
But daddy got him off. Court martial didn't happen.
Let me Tell you'all a Story about John McCain.
I was in the US Navy during the same time John McCain was.
Actually, he got out after I did.
I never met John McCain or did I ever hear his name spoken before while I served in the US navy.
However, there was lingering "talk" about 'some' individual, and his name was never mentioned.
Here's how I learned about "NO NAME".
I learned about "NO NAME" in a Damage Control (DC) class (that all personnel were required to take). Shipboard personnel were required to take these courses repeatedly. It was something they wanted to really drum in everyone's head. Whenever, there is a mishap and the sea-worthiness of the vessel is threatened, it is Damage Control (DC) that is taught that can save a ship from sinking. I'll let the reader find out about DC on their own.
After 44 years, I still have dreams about the times I had to watch the tragic CV-59 USS Forrestal Fire film. I remember EVERY aspect of it. I watched it so many times.
A couple of my DC instructors were "old-timers" that were stationed on the USS Forrestal when the famous catastrophic conflagration occurred.
Everyone on that ship KNEW what actually happened to cause this fire and carnage to occur.
The two instructors I had for this DC course told me that the Forrestal fire was the result of a single 'certain' person, who they could not name, but told me was a son of a high admiral in the US Navy.
I remember asking - if it was an accident, why couldn't the name of the person be mentioned? I was told that everyone knew on the Forrestal who it was. One instructor told me the ones that did speak out, got different orders and disappeared. These instructors knew not to speak his name because they didn't want their careers ruined either.
I'll say this, I never knew who NO NAME was while I served in the Navy. I only found out later who NO NAME actually was afterwards and it hit me like a pile of bricks. This was well before 'Q' came on the scene.
Isn't it interesting that 'Q' referred to John McCain as "NO NAME".
These instructors off the Forrestal could never say his name because they were ordered not to reveal his name.
I wonder if 'Q' knows John McCain caused the Forrestal disaster, in which 134 sailors died and 161 more were injured and the reason 'Q' referred to him as "NO NAME?
Thank you for your service and for sharing your story, fren. It's imperative that we shine a light on these dark times so that the world learns the truth. Far too much has been hidden in the shadows.
Same, totally blown away by that story. It must feel like a load off your plate, u/Tewdryg
My father in law was a Swift Boat commander during the Vietnam War. To this day, he refuses to talk about John Kerry. That's all I need to know.
I am positive Q would know about the disaster on the USS Forrestal and the hot shot pilot that caused it all. The swamp is deep and as old as this nation. Thank you for the service you gave for our great country!
"In June 1967, Forrestal departed Norfolk for duty in waters off Vietnam. In the Gulf of Tonkin on 29 July, Forrestal had been launching aircraft from her flight deck. For four days, the planes of Attack Carrier Air Wing 17 flew about 150 missions against targets in North Vietnam from the ship. On 29 July 1967, during preparation for another strike, a Zuni rocket installed on an F-4 Phantom (#110), misfired, impacting an armed A-4 Skyhawk's side #405, parked on the port side.[10] The rocket's impact dislodged and ruptured the Skyhawk's 400-gallon external fuel tank. Fuel from the leaking tank caught fire, creating a serious conflagration that burned for hours, killing 134, injuring 161, destroying 21 aircraft and costing the Navy US$72 million. On the flight deck that day was Lieutenant Commander (later Senator) John McCain."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Forrestal
Ha! Tell me No-Name was responsible for the fire without telling me he was responsible for the fire.
"Political cartoonist Ben Garrison published a post that alleges that the late Sen. John McCain started a fire aboard the USS Forrestal in 1967 that killed 134 people. It said that McCain “wet-started” his plane, over-fueling the jet engine in order to create a dramatic plume of fire on ignition, and that the flame set off a bomb, which started the fire."
“McCain actually did an illegal ‘wet start’ which caused flames to shoot out the back of his jet and start a fire that caused the A/C behind him to catch fire and the resulting conflagration started bombs blowing up,” one user tweeted Tuesday.
“Dont forget McCain thought it would be Cool to Wet Start his plane on deck with bombs loaded which in turn killed several of his fellow soldiers,” another user tweeted Sunday."
The fact-checkers say the story is false, so you know darn well it's true.
https://checkyourfact.com/2018/08/30/fact-check-mccain-uss-forrestal-fire/
I guess this clears up why Q called him "No Name". It's a mocking of McCain for this cover up.
u/#q732
You can just hear how much disdain Q had for No Name. I doubt the Forrestal was the worst of McCain's crimes.
You know it's bad when he mentioned McCain more than bushes or Obama
I'm sure Q+ took a part in writing that drop.
It wasn't.
'Wet-starting' a jet engine aircraft was an old 'hot dog' prank used in fly-boy country. My understanding is that with the newer aircraft this is no longer possible. In the 1980s Tom Cruz movie -- "Top Gun" when the character, "Maverick" 'buzzed' the Control Tower, it was actually a spoof of this. No pilot would ever dare buzz a control tower because this would certainly be grounds to dismiss any pilot from the military. Incidentally, it's very ironic that John McCain was commonly described as a '"maverick" during his actual political career. Premeditated 'wet-starting' an engine on an open airfield wasn't nearly as determinable. Sometimes it occurred due to poor judgment and inexperience. There was always some 'plausible deniablity'. However, an aircraft carrier is not an open airfield. The rules are much stricter due to the higher density of aircraft and traffic. Therefore, it was strictly managed. The air wing on-board are highly trained to manage the movement of aircraft at all times, especially in 'air-ops'.
I once witnessed an aircraft-traffic controller direct a pilot to maneuver his aircraft one way, but the pilot turned the opposite way. The result was that the air-traffic controller was put in the path of the jet engine exhaust and I watched this individual get blown like a leaf in the path of a leaf blower into the "island" (super structure) of the ship. He was very lucky of the direction he was blown and that it wasn't to sea side of the flight deck. He could have been easily blown overboard. I ran down from the O9 level to the O3 flight deck level only to see this guy being helped in inside the door by others. The whole time this shaken individual was swearing and cursing about the pilot that screwed up. I'm sure the pilot was reprimanded for this.
Wet-starting an engine on an aircraft carrier is beyond stupid. It turns out McCain did a lot of very stupid things in the military. I believe he has the record for destroying and costing the military for crashed aircraft.
A wet start wasnt what caused the mishap. It was a stray voltage check during a hot load that did it.
See my other comment here in this post.
You're telling us the 'official' story used as a cover-up. Too many witnesses say otherwise.
I don't see any other explanation by yourself in this thread. Please elaborate.
Just not soon enough.
Attack Carrier Air Wing [17]???
Makes you wonder about Dan Cringeshaw.
Is this why they have Crenshaw pose as a Republican, too? Was he involved in anything?
They were still showing that video in 1982 when I joined. We also where clueless as to who it was.
Thank you for sharing your experience, sincerely.
yeah, through Q a lot of us found out about it years ago.. we were calling him " Johnny Wet-Start " because it was the condition his engines were started in that caused the fire and he knew he was doing it but wanted to be a hotshot.. some other anon clued us in to this " wet-start " phrase to describe what he was trying to do in order to stroke his ego, which went so very badly.
Can confirm your story. Spent 9 yrs in the Navy. My first duty station was ship's company aboard USS Nimitz as an AO. Was assigned to Repair Locker 1Fox for DC. Had to watch that Forrestal vid in "A" School, "C" School, and again as a member of Repair 1Fox. Had a couple old timers, Vietnam era still around. And they basically said the same thing. I've seen that damn video so many times, like you OP, the images are permanently burned into my frontal cortex. It actually gave me nightmares for a few days. Scared the living piss out of all of us trainees. But that mishap has saved countless lives since, because it's beaten into ALL Ordie and Avionics pukes to ALWAYS Double, Triple, Quadruple check the safety pins BEFORE running stray voltage checks.
"Officially," it was "stray voltage" that arced across No Name's plane, from the cockpit ordnance selector to the rocket pod station on his bird, set of a couple 5" Zuni rockets. They were doing what's called a "hot load." It's when a plane is on the deck being reloaded with fuel/ordnance, usually after returning from a combat sortie while the plane is still running. Pilots would sit in the cockpit with their birds "turning" (engines running) while the ABF's and AO's are loading the plane. Highly dangerous, and now, thanks to the Oriskanny, Forrestal, and Enterprise fires in the 60's, it's been seems too dangerous and "illegal" except during war time.
Well, No Name's plane was all loaded up and ready to go, except for one final avionics/ordnance check, the dreaded and highly dangerous "stray voltage" check. Anyway, once the Avionics guy on the deck got to that rocket post station and checked it with a multimeter, it pickled off two rockets. No Name had "forgot" to turn his station selector switch to the "OFF" position during the stray village check. The AO Safety Observer "forgot" to "Safe" the ordnance stations on No Name's bird. We have non conductive metal pins that we insert into the various launchers and bomb racks that eliminate the threat of stray voltage arcing thru the plane and pickling off ordnance. You can watch the Avionics guy touch the rocket pod and it immediately set off two rockets into the planes being hot loaded across the deck. Like, as soon as he touched the rocket pod, it went off.
Officially, it was ruled an accident, but that Avionics guy lost his job and was summarily boosted. No Name got to stay in and was labeled a "hero" for nearly being cooked alive in his bird. The Ordnance Safety Observer was booted, too for failing to safe No Name's plane. I think the Air Boss's and C.O.'s careers were shit canned, too, at the behest of No Name's father.
That guy was a highly protected individual, due to his father being an Admiral, throughout his whole career. Rumors of drinking on duty, cocaine abuse while in college and in the fleet, being late to Ready Room Briefs, being late to watch and late to flight ops, and philandering with women while he was married all were swept under the rug. He was a shit pilot, too. One of our Tomcat C.O.'s was very outspoken about No Name and how shitty of a pilot and person he really was. Like, he barely graduated flight school. His father had to intervene a handful of times, especially during his final flight quals, pulled strings to make sure his son passed Basic Flight and earned a covered role as one of Fighter Jocks.
When he was shit down, the rumors immediately started spreading about his capitulating with the NVA and dining out a bunch of our other POW pilots. Fucker gave away all kinds of Intel on our flight paths, aircraft and ordnance capabilities, ship positions, etc. And he dimed out the guy who tried to pass a note to Hanoi Jane when she visited Hanoi Hilton, after she handed tr note to the Warden. That last sentence is verifiable fact. Yet, because Daddy was an Admiral, he was protected from treason and colluding with the enemy charges which would've most likely led to his execution.
Now, I don't know if anyone would purposely leave their Station Selector Switch in an active position, especially knowing what the risks are during a stray voltage check, while also leaving his cockpit open for fresh air. I like to think he was just an idiot that didn't deserve to be in uniform, much less piloting a war plane, but with No Name and his background as an inattentive hot head, member of a Cabal Family (supposedly linked to the original Cain Clan), we can't be too sure. It could've all been down on purpose. Maybe he didn't think he'd be physically affected, who knows?
But everything he did after that "accident" was DEFINITELY done to help ensure America's demise.
Interesting insight here. You mentioned he was a "shit" pilot, and that agrees to what I learned as well. When he 'volunteered' to making those bombing runs in NV, I read somewhere he was flying too low and it was the reason why his aircraft was shot down. I believe 'daddy' demanded he volunteer for redeeming him from the 'sins' of his past.
NO NAME had no business flying. Without 'daddy' NO NAME would have been washed out of flight school and perhaps the military service. Just like in the movie "Top Gun" Val Kilmer's character "Ice" told "Maverick" to his face he was "dangerous". This was also obviously true for NO NAME. He was dangerous. After getting hit by enemy fire, NO NAME ejected from his aircraft, but he didn't follow protocol and as a result broke both his arms when he ejected from the aircraft. That's a big fundamental 'no-no' that sheds more light on his ineptness. Landing in a lake, he was at the mercy of Vietnamese fishermen who roughed him pretty good before turning him over to the VC. It must have been a pleasant surprise to the VC for someone like this to fall into their hands.
I watched the testimony of a POW who said NO NAME never stayed in the same area as the other POWS. It was also disclosed that after NO NAMES capture, the American forces were suddenly losing half their aircraft making these bombing runs into NV. So bad were the losses the US military halted the bombing runs into NV entirely. It was said NO NAME provided the coordinates of the bombing runs and the VC then set up anti-craft artillery along the entire path.
Interesting legacy, no? It is easy to see how NO NAME was a completely controlled asset to the Deep State.
I worked with Navy pilots and a few hundred Vietnam vets who were in aircraft related fields. More than a few despised Noname but never discussed why. I figured it was the Forrestal incident and the reports of hotshot, stupid actions by McCain including the reason he was shot down. [Test]
We do know.
Thank you for your service and the affirmation of what many of us have heard before!
Peace be yours, fren.
Navy here..yep that adds up. I was in during 2011 for 1 contract and heard some whispering and questioning even then when it came up.
How much you wanna bet he had orders to do it?
Well, Sir, I'll just sit back and confirm everything you said. I was on Yankee station when Forrestal burned, and did many helo flights to and from with injured and dead. And everyone DID know what happened. I crewed the flight that took no name to CinCPacFlt; he was in chains, and the deck crew had roped off our landing spot. I still think if I had tossed him out at angels 4, the Masters at Arms would not have objected. But daddy got him off. Court martial didn't happen.