Also, arty craters have a directional scoop to them. They never fall straight down, unless they're mortars and even those will have some directional scoop to the crater, iirc.
That scoop to the crater is how BDA (Bomb Damage Assessment) teams tell the direction from which the artillery shell came.
This looks more like a lifting charge was placed at the bottom of a hole then detonated. The steep walls, the steeper incline near the bottom of the hole and the small pit at the very bottom all screams purposely placed "slow" explosive of a cratering charge type demolitions.
Source: 0351, Demolitions Assaultman/Infantry way back when and super nosy bastard that always bugged the hell out of Marines for info and schooling when he met those from interesting MOS.
Not out of the question. That's a big ass crater. I saw a 2,000 lb VBIED leave a smaller crater than that, but still blow windows out 200 yards away. Whatever left that crater was big.
Russian claims it is not used as a hospital now and occupied by Ukrainian troops.
Ukrainian side claims OB/GYN, 3 dead.
No I don't know, it could go either way, but if they were using it as a hospital, only two cars? I don't think it could be just three people. No display board and not much use.
⇧ And I think this is still biased to the Ukrainian side, because I looked for a lot of images, but still only have images from the Ukrainian side.
But I don't know because I didn't see it myself. Let's look at it from a bird's eye view.
I looked for various photos and videos, but... it doesn't seem to be used as a hospital...
Hotel in Mariupol
Reservations are being accepted. About 20 hotels.
Russian military says they are not attacking Mariupol from the air. If there is a crisis, wouldn't the accommodations operate with a smartphone app and not take reservations?
(Prices are in Indonesian Rupiah because I live in Indonesia.)
Mariupol's obstetrics and gynecology, I didn't have to look it up, but someone here looked it up in great detail.
⇧I did my own research and @_24_com
Based on the documents presented to me by 🇺🇦, I saw a lot about the OB/GYN in Mariupol that 🇺🇦 claims was destroyed by 🇷🇺.
1、The hospital on location is probably here
When viewed from the aerial view, the trees are overgrown to the roof or attached to the building in various parts of the building, making it look as if it is not in use.
2, Since last night and just now, the pin position has changed several times at this address 70 and 72, the name has changed, only the address is displayed, and the photo that is displayed is missing.
3, On the first one, the hospital name appears at the 72 position, but the photo is gone. Also, there is not a single review. This is a long-established hospital.
On the second page, there are many hospitals in the neighborhood. The neighboring hospitals, even the newer ones, have many photos and reviews.
4, Although this one has been researched in great detail, I think that the "hospital in normal times" in the news report and the "hospital like the one on location" are two completely different things.
Again, is there such a thing as an "obstetrics and gynecology ward" with so many trees that in the summer the roads are completely obscured and the roofs of the buildings are overgrown? I still think it is wiser to assume that the facility is not in use.
The video at the beginning of the thread, and this Reuters video, show no sense of urgency; there are a few patients here and there from about the 7th second, but only a few at the entrance, and even when you slow down to look at other parts of the building on the big screen, there are no people even walking around.
Also, there are too few cars for such a large hospital.
I looked around a lot, but the characters are one soldier and two pregnant women?
In a hospital this big?
Maybe they cut out the cost of extras.
They should have asked the hospital staff and those who were not injured about the situation at that time, but there was no interview footage at all.
It seems that all the hotels 700m from the OB/GYN hospital in Mariupol and all the hotels in the vicinity are open for business. Reservations can usually be made tomorrow or the day after.
If the Russian army was diabolical and set to target even the OB/GYN hospital, if Mariupol is under continuous air raids as the news says, of course hotels and other hotels would be close because they can't ensure the safety of their customers!
So, let's take a look at the news on the front page...
I thought it was "no need to evacuate," not "unable to evacuate."
Food and power shortages are suspect, but if the power outages are real, haven't they stopped to cut off contact with the outside world?
Food and electricity shortages in eastern Mariupol Continued air strikes prevent 200,000 people from evacuating (Mainichi Shimbun)
Add.
Pregnant woman with her stomach out, even during the day, at 2 degrees Celsius, with a negative body temperature.
Normally, a hospital would have a futon or, if the futon was not damaged, someone's coat.
Staging, huh?
High cut~️Good luck with your ministry!
This 🇺🇦 hospital area in Mariupol is a hospital district, and I think it is very likely to be one large hospital with buildings scattered around.
I translated the hospital's website and looked around, but...
The "maternity ward" is clearly not the same building.
First or second, the actual 'maternity ward'.
Third U-shaped building in the news report.
Obviously different
It is also strange that the "maternity hospital" in the news report had only two pregnant women but no newborns at all. Wouldn't the newborns being carried out of the hospital be photographed first? It is strange that in such a large U-shaped maternity ward, there is not a single newborn baby.
Is this kind of stupid verification on the BBC, and the Japanese media is dripping with it? That would make the public stupid.
The first one: Well, if it were an obstetrics department, they would use an actor who is a pregnant woman.
Second: Subtle. But the position of the scar on the forehead looks the same. Could be one actor, could be two.
Third: Very likely a different building due to the above slip.
The "shell hole" in the Maternity Hospital in Mariupol
1st picture, light blue, based on the totality of the images from the various news outlets, the hole made during the shelling is in this area
However, the orange area is severely damaged
The left side of the orange building (front side) and the other side of the U-shaped building (yellow) are clean
If a hole is to be made, it should be made around the front of the orange color.
Also, with this much damage, there must be a lot of charred bodies and burns, right? Of course, it is a hospital, so fire and electricity are used, and the fact that the raw wood was completely scorched means that there must have been a major fire, right? However, burn-related injuries have not been in the news at all.
Oh no, this hole, zoom in and take a good look.
Not even a twig was charred.
It's still in the live tree, and it hasn't been destroyed.
I think we can be sure that it was dug up with a bulldozer.
Like a 'let's just mess it up for now' kind of video. No bloodstains, no dust standing up. The concrete will shatter, so there will be a lot of dust damage, but the victim is clean. And there is no damage to the newborns in the maternity ward, which would have caused a great deal of damage.
Why just pipe beds in the hallway? Are you implying that the bombing caused the pipe bed to walk through the narrow door all by itself and be placed in the hallway, or are you implying that the bombing caused the pipe bed to
Let's look at the news on the front page. CNN propaganda news that already 🇺🇸 has only an average of 550,000 viewers per day even in its home country.
All they do is lie & scare us.
I guess we are seeing the end of DS.
Bombing a children's hospital, how can you say this is still not crossing the line/CNN
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Splash damage, possibly. Looks like a big arty round (152, or 203mm, maybe?)
Artillery shells come in at an angle from where round was fired, never straight down. Most of the shrapnel splashes forward.
Source: was 13F (FO).
Also, arty craters have a directional scoop to them. They never fall straight down, unless they're mortars and even those will have some directional scoop to the crater, iirc.
That scoop to the crater is how BDA (Bomb Damage Assessment) teams tell the direction from which the artillery shell came.
This looks more like a lifting charge was placed at the bottom of a hole then detonated. The steep walls, the steeper incline near the bottom of the hole and the small pit at the very bottom all screams purposely placed "slow" explosive of a cratering charge type demolitions.
Source: 0351, Demolitions Assaultman/Infantry way back when and super nosy bastard that always bugged the hell out of Marines for info and schooling when he met those from interesting MOS.
L/CPL Mafia member for life!
Semper Fi.
100% agree with you. Didn't pay attention to crater shape...was mostly concentrating on the surrounding damage.
This absolutely could have been a stationary det. Good eye, man
well, the concussion from the weapon that made that crater would have been immense. just saying
Not out of the question. That's a big ass crater. I saw a 2,000 lb VBIED leave a smaller crater than that, but still blow windows out 200 yards away. Whatever left that crater was big.
Why is there someone at the bottom of the crater? what is so interesting down there?
Got to make a good picture...😉
Here's a translated analysis by a Japanese Fren on his analysis of the area and pictures:
https://mobile.twitter.com/masjp72/status/1502481806439772165
I used https://www.deepl.com/translator to translate it.
Hospital in Mariupol
Russian claims it is not used as a hospital now and occupied by Ukrainian troops. Ukrainian side claims OB/GYN, 3 dead.
No I don't know, it could go either way, but if they were using it as a hospital, only two cars? I don't think it could be just three people. No display board and not much use.
⇧ And I think this is still biased to the Ukrainian side, because I looked for a lot of images, but still only have images from the Ukrainian side.
But I don't know because I didn't see it myself. Let's look at it from a bird's eye view.
I looked for various photos and videos, but... it doesn't seem to be used as a hospital...
Hotel in Mariupol
Reservations are being accepted. About 20 hotels.
Russian military says they are not attacking Mariupol from the air. If there is a crisis, wouldn't the accommodations operate with a smartphone app and not take reservations?
(Prices are in Indonesian Rupiah because I live in Indonesia.)
Mariupol's obstetrics and gynecology, I didn't have to look it up, but someone here looked it up in great detail.
⇧I did my own research and @_24_com Based on the documents presented to me by 🇺🇦, I saw a lot about the OB/GYN in Mariupol that 🇺🇦 claims was destroyed by 🇷🇺.
1、The hospital on location is probably here
When viewed from the aerial view, the trees are overgrown to the roof or attached to the building in various parts of the building, making it look as if it is not in use.
2, Since last night and just now, the pin position has changed several times at this address 70 and 72, the name has changed, only the address is displayed, and the photo that is displayed is missing.
3, On the first one, the hospital name appears at the 72 position, but the photo is gone. Also, there is not a single review. This is a long-established hospital. On the second page, there are many hospitals in the neighborhood. The neighboring hospitals, even the newer ones, have many photos and reviews.
4, Although this one has been researched in great detail, I think that the "hospital in normal times" in the news report and the "hospital like the one on location" are two completely different things.
Again, is there such a thing as an "obstetrics and gynecology ward" with so many trees that in the summer the roads are completely obscured and the roofs of the buildings are overgrown? I still think it is wiser to assume that the facility is not in use.
The video at the beginning of the thread, and this Reuters video, show no sense of urgency; there are a few patients here and there from about the 7th second, but only a few at the entrance, and even when you slow down to look at other parts of the building on the big screen, there are no people even walking around. Also, there are too few cars for such a large hospital.
I looked around a lot, but the characters are one soldier and two pregnant women? In a hospital this big? Maybe they cut out the cost of extras.
They should have asked the hospital staff and those who were not injured about the situation at that time, but there was no interview footage at all.
It seems that all the hotels 700m from the OB/GYN hospital in Mariupol and all the hotels in the vicinity are open for business. Reservations can usually be made tomorrow or the day after.
If the Russian army was diabolical and set to target even the OB/GYN hospital, if Mariupol is under continuous air raids as the news says, of course hotels and other hotels would be close because they can't ensure the safety of their customers!
So, let's take a look at the news on the front page...
I thought it was "no need to evacuate," not "unable to evacuate."
Food and power shortages are suspect, but if the power outages are real, haven't they stopped to cut off contact with the outside world?
Food and electricity shortages in eastern Mariupol Continued air strikes prevent 200,000 people from evacuating (Mainichi Shimbun)
Add.
Pregnant woman with her stomach out, even during the day, at 2 degrees Celsius, with a negative body temperature.
Normally, a hospital would have a futon or, if the futon was not damaged, someone's coat.
Staging, huh?
High cut~️Good luck with your ministry!
This 🇺🇦 hospital area in Mariupol is a hospital district, and I think it is very likely to be one large hospital with buildings scattered around.
I translated the hospital's website and looked around, but...
http://mariupol.medkontrol.pro/mtmo-zdorovya-rebenka-i-zhenshhiny
The "maternity ward" is clearly not the same building.
First or second, the actual 'maternity ward'. Third U-shaped building in the news report.
Obviously different
It is also strange that the "maternity hospital" in the news report had only two pregnant women but no newborns at all. Wouldn't the newborns being carried out of the hospital be photographed first? It is strange that in such a large U-shaped maternity ward, there is not a single newborn baby.
Is this kind of stupid verification on the BBC, and the Japanese media is dripping with it? That would make the public stupid.
The first one: Well, if it were an obstetrics department, they would use an actor who is a pregnant woman.
Second: Subtle. But the position of the scar on the forehead looks the same. Could be one actor, could be two.
Third: Very likely a different building due to the above slip.
The "shell hole" in the Maternity Hospital in Mariupol
1st picture, light blue, based on the totality of the images from the various news outlets, the hole made during the shelling is in this area
However, the orange area is severely damaged The left side of the orange building (front side) and the other side of the U-shaped building (yellow) are clean
If a hole is to be made, it should be made around the front of the orange color.
Also, with this much damage, there must be a lot of charred bodies and burns, right? Of course, it is a hospital, so fire and electricity are used, and the fact that the raw wood was completely scorched means that there must have been a major fire, right? However, burn-related injuries have not been in the news at all.
Oh no, this hole, zoom in and take a good look.
Not even a twig was charred. It's still in the live tree, and it hasn't been destroyed.
I think we can be sure that it was dug up with a bulldozer.
Like a 'let's just mess it up for now' kind of video. No bloodstains, no dust standing up. The concrete will shatter, so there will be a lot of dust damage, but the victim is clean. And there is no damage to the newborns in the maternity ward, which would have caused a great deal of damage.
Why just pipe beds in the hallway? Are you implying that the bombing caused the pipe bed to walk through the narrow door all by itself and be placed in the hallway, or are you implying that the bombing caused the pipe bed to
Let's look at the news on the front page. CNN propaganda news that already 🇺🇸 has only an average of 550,000 viewers per day even in its home country.
All they do is lie & scare us. I guess we are seeing the end of DS.
Bombing a children's hospital, how can you say this is still not crossing the line/CNN
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
Where is this? What's your source?
Here it is on the map
https://www.google.com/maps/place/47%C2%B005'47.8%22N+37%C2%B032'00.4%22E/@47.0965999,37.5328848,194m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x0:0xad1a669da3f43c88!7e2!8m2!3d47.096599!4d37.5334319
...where was all that "indestructible" glass when I was hitting baseballs in mom and dad's backyard?
Look at the small tree limbs in line with what would the splash path.
The hole is where the Nazi military was blasting the building behind them when a Russian bomb took them out.
That’s my guess, anyway. I really don’t know.
A lot of these buildings that are being "bombed" loom to me like they were already vacant or abandoned