Anytime something big is about to come out - these fools run around like Agent Smith trying to keep everyone in the damn matrix...
Ignore them, and move on... The more you engage with a glowfag, the more secure their job is...
No engagement = no paycheck.
Door-slam them... Don't waste your time...Period...
Me too. I thinks it’s Ukraine. It’s over for the globalists there. They received a hiding that was well deserved. I heard that Russia didn’t even get out their latest technology and used weapons that were due to be retired.
I know right?
Why bother using the good stuff with a pissant Nazi-run country?
I hate to date fag but I agree ☝️
Why do you hate to date fag?
Could it be that so far, every single date fag has been wrong every single time?
Difficult fren. It’s all too tempting to call them a faggot and then no longer engage.
I know...I cant keep quiet myself sometimes...
Also, be on the lookout for:
Blackpillers. Doomers. Sliders. Confusers. Liars.
👌👍
Yeah, doomers out in force lately. "why is this taking so long" "I thought we were winning", "when is the hammer gonna fall?"
I can feel it in my gut.
OK, so give us a run-down on shill tactics? What do we ignore specifically?
That you must figure out for yourself on an individual assessment of whom you're "engaging" with....One sure sign is when they"Insult you...
Do they insult us in a general way in the original post, or do they attack if you answer them?
Both...They seem to initially insult someone hoping to create a "Discussion" and it progresses from there....Just don't engage in the first place...that's how you "feed" them...
This only applies to GAW not TDW. LOL.
Thanks for the heads up.
Wise words, life's to short and time is to precious.
From Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation (Includes The 8 Traits of A Disinformationalist) by H. Michael Sweeney. These 25 rules are everywhere in media, from political debates, to television shows, to comments on a blog.
Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don’t discuss it — especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it’s not reported, it didn’t happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.
Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the “How dare you!” gambit.
Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such “arguable rumors”. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a “wild rumor” which can have no basis in fact.
Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent’s argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.
Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left-wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, “sexual deviates”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism reasoning — simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent’s viewpoint.
Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could so taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.
Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough “jargon” and “minutiae” to illustrate you are “one who knows”, and simply say it isn’t so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.
Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
Associate opponent charges with old news. A derivative of the straw man usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with. Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually them be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues — so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.
Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the “high road” and “confess” with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made — but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, “just isn’t so.” Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later. Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for “coming clean” and “owning up” to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.
Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to loose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.
Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards with an apparent deductive logic in a way that forbears any actual material fact.
Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best for items qualifying for rule 10.
Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.
Vanishing evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won’t have to address the issue.
Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can “argue” with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.
Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how “sensitive they are to criticism”.
Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the “play dumb” rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.
False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.
Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body. Subvert the (process) to your benefit and effectively neutralize all sensitive issues without open discussion. Once convened, the evidence and testimony are required to be secret when properly handled. For instance, if you own the prosecuting attorney, it can insure a Grand Jury hears no useful evidence and that the evidence is sealed an unavailable to subsequent investigators. Once a favorable verdict (usually, this technique is applied to find the guilty innocent, but it can also be used to obtain charges when seeking to frame a victim) is achieved, the matter can be considered officially closed.
Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.
Create bigger distractions. If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of unstoppable events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes.
Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by proper intimidation with blackmail or other threats.
Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.
https://archive.ph/IWlQ5
I agree, I recognised many of them as tactics used by (((them))).
This is from 8kun-
Don't get suckered into wasting your time. Hardened anons should already know all this shit; This is more of a crash course for the new visitors.
How to Quickly Spot a Clown:
– Attempting to get a divisive or emotional knee-jerk trigger response from (you) to derail research is a red flag.
– Concern trolling and copy/pasta spam shilling that contradicts confirmed findings is another red flag.
– Employing faux debate tactics: Generalizations, gas-lighting, misdirection, false equivalences, confusing correlation with causality, appeal to authority, transference, false precepts, personal attacks, straw-men, red herrings, etc. are all yet another red flag.
– Promoting social ethics that are disingenuous, such as doxxing anyone, "reverse psychology" ploys or ones based on lying to the American People; these are obvious red flags.
– Promoting tactics that are unethical, illegal or involve violence outside the scope of the Law are huge warning signs.
– Employing Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt tactics for any reason is highly suspicious.
– Topic sliding: If very sensitive information of a critical nature has been posted on a discussion forum, it can be quickly removed from public view by topic sliding. In this technique a large number of unrelated posts, or posts aimed at diluting the information being presented, are submitted in an effort to trigger a topic slide to literally push content out of view. An operator can control several fake UIDs via the bots they make use of; these can also be called upon in the other techniques to try to mask the intent of the operator from the users at large. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and bogus postings.
– Seeding bad information: Operatives will insert flawed or bogus information from time to time as an ongoing tactic, depending on their skill set and the needs of their mission. Their most common ruse is providing information or evidence which is backed by bad source material in the hope that the "source of the source" is never checked. This serves several objectives, mainly resource consumption, evidence pollution, discouragement and misdirection.
– Astroturfing consensus: This is a technique that attempts to build a manufactured consensus around a flawed set of statements or compromised information. This is related to consensus cracking, where false evidence is injected in an attempt to dispute or discredit what the current consensus is, and push it towards the desired false consensus. Misleading and false evidence and information are often salted into the evidence pool, with an aim to impede organic consensus building, while also poisoning the available information and evidence.
How to spot a Clown's bot
– NEVER KNOWINGLY ENGAGE A BOT DIRECTLY. It just wastes bread with their responses, and hands them a target to programmatically lock on to without handler interaction. If you suspect a bot is trying to engage (you), these countermeasures will force the handler to earn it, which usually outs them; They are lazy. It seems that the easiest way to foil the bots is to point them out by proxy, by copy/pasting the user's ID as a quoted reference and intentionally breaking its post link in your response and/or answering it with a meme until they start misfiring because they can't parse the response to lock onto a target correctly.. Doing this can also make the bots look artificially erratic and easier for other anons to spot.
What we know about the cl0wnbots
– Require a handler to watch for, target, and be in the thread
– Cannot enter threads themselves
– Can pick up random or contradictory meme flags
– Consist of multiple bots that respond to posts and each other, and can create posts
– Activate on lists of trigger words; these can change over time
– Use a combination of legit pasta, pre-written points, or spam targeted at sliding the thread
– Have unwittingly pasta'd supportive posts
– Are employed mostly at night and on weekends (US time)
– Add to bump limits
– Can be filtered by ID once they are observed
– Are not perfected and can be easily spotted
– Were tested briefly prior to being deployed starting on the /CBTS/ board
– Have certain flaws that can cause them to misfire in sometimes comical ways
– The handlers can make bogus clown threads, but also can be confused by accidental ones
– Handlers, as of now, cannot access the servers
– Have still not succeeded in their mission
– Still can't meme
– Still can't meme
Thanks for posting this.
"the easiest way to foil the bots is ... by copy/pasting the user's ID as a quoted reference and intentionally breaking its post link in your response and/or answering it with a meme until they start misfiring because they can't parse the response to lock onto a target correctly."
So, if they cannot be ignored (the best way), the tactic is to troll them, in a way that denies them the results they are after, which are engagement that can be counted by their overlords. By breaking up their user ID, it cannot be linked. (no doubt a search is conducted to see how often the user ID comes up in conversations); and by meme-ing that conveys a lot of information to other users, and/or humor, but does not contain any searchable words.
I think this last part is particularly interesting because it allows users to alert others.
Here's one thread.
I swear we had a pretty comprehensive post on how to spot shills hit the front page before. Not having much luck finding it tho.
oh right? Maybe we can have it retrieved as a sticky when the shill waves are incoming?
Yes, this is what I was looking for.
Does seem to be extra ‘shill’ heavy lately …. I think you’re onto something @purkiss80
Throw some 💦 on them...I’m melting, melting!
Good advice, purkiss.
Whow, I've never seen quite a extensive list like this, it's kinda like "Rules for Radicals 2.0, The Advance strategies for the New Alinskylite". It should very well be entitled "The Art of Dishonesty", "The Science of Skulduggery", "The Secrets of Subterfuge" just Whow! I'm not so naive as to think that most now don't deploy such tactics, but tell me how is it possible to have a honest conversation much less acheve a spontaneous exchange of information in such an environment? Is consensus nothing more than capitulation to these people? How is it that people who engage in such activities are even allowed a seat at the table of communication? Is it no longer so that a reputation of honesty and honor are required? I remember when liers were called out for being liers, they were distrusted, disgraced, shamed and shunned. I remember a time when Moral Peril had real Social Ramifications. It's no wonder we live in a world of $hit, with such a precarious path to peace and freedom. I'm not suggesting that all past conversation reach a point of consensus, but I will attest to the reality that more often than not you walk away with a better understanding and respect for each other, the building blocks necessary to germinate the desire to engage in further dialogue.
The Rantings of a confused old man, Ahhh the good old days you say, the land of milk and honey, yada yada yada.
Hey! Agent Smith broke from the Matrix and even managed to reshape it to his own liking.
I have a ton of printed memes and quotes I find on this site to leave casually lying around in public places for those who are missing out on all the fun, or being misled by smarmy shills. Should the power grid go down, I will still just be memeing away ... the old fashioned way. On paper. All over town. In fun places: under a napkin holder. In a magazine in a doctors office, in the frozen section on top of the french fries at the local grocery store ... meme wherever you feel led.
Amen!!! Wading through the posts and it’s like stepping in 💩—incoming shill fire, read another—💩, ….
Why are you here black pill circle jerking?
No life...