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I think you are willfully being ignorant here. I've already noted this, but you have to die/perish in order to be sent to hell. There is nothing at all talking about a second death.
Why would I share any more verses? You have none that back up your claim. I don't need to show you any more that explain it any better just because you deny it.
Where are you getting this second death? Not something I said. And I literally just posted multiple verses that back up my claim and say belief is the way to eternal life. If you consider spending hours upon hours reading the original Greek/Hebrew and comparing scriptures with other scriptures and praying for discernment from God to be willful ignorance, then yeah, I guess I am being willfully ignorant. I didn’t just willy nilly come up with this belief when I read the OP, it is something I have been studying off and on since 2011. Willfully ignorant… kek
If you don’t have eternal life, how can you have everlasting punishment?
Here are some more scriptures:
I can find more, but the trend is Jesus = eternal life; no Jesus = perish, death, destruction.
Here’s another one:
The eternal punishment of Matthew’s scripture is the same as Sodom and Gomora, one of death and destruction, not life.
“ Where are you getting this second death?”
This is what I’m asking you. You are saying that someone dies, and then goes to hell until... they die again? Perish, as if that’s different than death? The Bible uses both interchangeable. I don’t understand at all where you get this crazy idea from because it’s not spoke of in any Scripture, having to die twice.
Are you seriously retarded and don’t realize that everyone dies, but not everyone has it be everlasting, because the saved are given life again?
People die, they go to heaven or hell. In hell, they experience death continually. Everlasting. In heaven, people are given life again.
It’s really not hard to understand.
Did you know Jesus DIED?? But he was resurrected and lived again. He did not experience everlasting death in hell.
I NEVER said any of that, you interpreted it that way because you are still trying to fit my belief of no hell into your belief of hell.
People die, if they are believers they are given eternal life; if they aren’t, they perish. This is the eternal punishment, ceasing to exist. This aligns with all the scriptures I provided you. If you can provide me with scriptures that say otherwise, please do so. I’d be happy to be proven wrong, because that means I would be growing in my faith (certainly been wrong before), but it will be done divinely through scripture, not because you said so (no offense).
Well you definitely don't believe in the Bible then.
So do you think the physical descriptions of hell are wrong then, if people just simply perish after death and cease to exist? Why is there a "realm of the dead" then spoken of in the Bible if the dead don't even exist anymore? Why do other translations use "eternal punishment" when referencing hell?
You are an absolute idiot if you read about the "realm of the dead" in the Bible and think that people just cease to exist after death.
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
"The wicked go down to the realm of the dead, all the nations that forget God."
"If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out."
The fire never goes out.
"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."
"“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."
Punishment of eternal fire.
"The path of life leads upward for the prudent to keep them from going down to the realm of the dead."
"because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead, you will not let your holy one see decay."
REALM OF THE DEAD
"The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done."
Gave up the dead?? But you said that the dead just perish and cease to exist afterwards!
"Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death."
Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire now? What is this second death here that the Bible is speaking of now? I'm surprised you didn't use this verse when I baited you by asking about the Bible talking about hell being the second death. It sure doesn't seem to describe what you are offering at all.
BUT WAIT FOR IT -- HERES THE BEST ONE
"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."
FOR EVER AND EVER? So this is what the Lake of Fire is. This is where everyone and everything is cast in the end.
"“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels"
So... you still think people just simply cease to exist after death, and are not tormented... FOR EVER AND EVER?? Because if you do, you didn't get the idea from the Bible.
IM REALLY INTERESTED IN HOW YOULL RESPOND TO WHAT THE BIBLE HAS TO SAY ON THIS MATTER.
Since I wrote too much for you to deflect on and not address in the other post, I'll just leave this here for you to figure out how to dispel:
"And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."
"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."
Notice how that last one addresses the devil (singular) and then says they (plural) will be tormented forever and ever. Also notice how everyone not written in the book of life is cast in there. You gotta love how specific the Bible is for refuting bullshit like this.
Good luck with trying to bend the Bible to your own will, but God won't have it!