I believe that if Trump is to be reinstated, it's best to be after January 2023 so that he could then again run for President in 2024. So timing would be important for the release of any incriminating evidence.
Good points. As much as we want this to end now, it isn’t hard to imagine SCOTUS blocking President Trump from running in 2024 if he fills more than two years of the current term.
And as much as we would like any outcome determinative proof the election was stolen, all forms of fraud must be rooted out, including the machines.
I think you might be reading too much into it. Just because they are focusing on ballot fraud and claim its enough to bring down the conspiracy DOES NOT mean the machine fraud will be ignored. Whatever process they are planning to take, they will all be covered eventually, and the sequence is probably well thought out.
I appreciate your point of view and agree with your thoughts about all types of fraud being pursued. But that isn’t what Cates is saying. He clearly dismisses the electronic manipulation here:
It may be that instead of relying on electronic manipulation of vote totals by hackers in China or some other foreign venue to steal it for Joe Biden, the Democrats relied on the old tried and true method that has served them so well in the past: good old-fashioned ballot box stuffing. But done on a level never seen before the 2020 election.
Just an opinion here, the massive paper ballot dumps in the wee hours of November 4th were a desperate Plan C or D. Plan A and B were “normal” ballot fraud and “normal” machine fraud. But we caught them by surprise with our massive turnout and day of vote.
It may be that instead of relying on electronic manipulation of vote totals by hackers in China or some other foreign venue to steal it for Joe Biden, the Democrats relied on the old tried and true method that has served them so well in the past: good old-fashioned ballot box stuffing. But done on a level never seen before the 2020 election.
Ah missed that bit, thanks for point it out. Definitely changes the view - I have had mixed feeling about Cates even from before, and we will see if he is just another controlled opposition.
i agree THE MACHINES MUST GO. and anyone who is trying to draw attention away from this issue is suspect imho. we could have thousands of poll watchers and 100% turnout and it doesn't matter with the machines because they can erase all the numbers and create their own and there is nothing we can do about it. THE MACHINES NEED TO GO THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
ya cates is a good guy, you are over thinking this. Cates is just calling out grifters like Lin Wood and Professor Clements who are telling people dont vote and ONLY worry about electronic fraud.
Cates is saying VOTE, go after paper fraud, AND continue to persue electronic fraud
Seems like he’s calling out General Flynn, Sidney Powell, Mike Lindell, and Patrick Byrne, those are the only names he mentions. And he dismisses the focus on the machines. But we have seen proof the machines are a major part of the fraud. And we know there was massive ballot fraud as well. I
You might be right, maybe he just isn’t a very good writer. There is a lot of bad writing these days. He diluted and polluted his message by opening with dismissing the abundant evidence machine fraud, which includes fraudulent adjudication of paper ballots.
Yes, when discussing election fraud, it is usually about ballots. But no one talks about the Dominion machines. That's where most of the fraud has been happening for decades!!
The DS didn’t anticipate the massive turnout for Trump. Because the turnout was mostly on the day of the election they were forced to act quickly and it was sloppy.
Just thinking Biden turnout was also very poor, which made the “normal” machine fraud algorithms insufficient. This really made them scramble. They didn’t have time to make things match
Sounds like they flipped many of the mules.
I believe that if Trump is to be reinstated, it's best to be after January 2023 so that he could then again run for President in 2024. So timing would be important for the release of any incriminating evidence.
Good points. As much as we want this to end now, it isn’t hard to imagine SCOTUS blocking President Trump from running in 2024 if he fills more than two years of the current term.
And as much as we would like any outcome determinative proof the election was stolen, all forms of fraud must be rooted out, including the machines.
I think you might be reading too much into it. Just because they are focusing on ballot fraud and claim its enough to bring down the conspiracy DOES NOT mean the machine fraud will be ignored. Whatever process they are planning to take, they will all be covered eventually, and the sequence is probably well thought out.
I appreciate your point of view and agree with your thoughts about all types of fraud being pursued. But that isn’t what Cates is saying. He clearly dismisses the electronic manipulation here:
Just an opinion here, the massive paper ballot dumps in the wee hours of November 4th were a desperate Plan C or D. Plan A and B were “normal” ballot fraud and “normal” machine fraud. But we caught them by surprise with our massive turnout and day of vote.
Ah missed that bit, thanks for point it out. Definitely changes the view - I have had mixed feeling about Cates even from before, and we will see if he is just another controlled opposition.
i agree . they bring in the extra ballots to fill all the fake votes they've added on the machines
i agree THE MACHINES MUST GO. and anyone who is trying to draw attention away from this issue is suspect imho. we could have thousands of poll watchers and 100% turnout and it doesn't matter with the machines because they can erase all the numbers and create their own and there is nothing we can do about it. THE MACHINES NEED TO GO THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
ya cates is a good guy, you are over thinking this. Cates is just calling out grifters like Lin Wood and Professor Clements who are telling people dont vote and ONLY worry about electronic fraud.
Cates is saying VOTE, go after paper fraud, AND continue to persue electronic fraud
Seems like he’s calling out General Flynn, Sidney Powell, Mike Lindell, and Patrick Byrne, those are the only names he mentions. And he dismisses the focus on the machines. But we have seen proof the machines are a major part of the fraud. And we know there was massive ballot fraud as well. I
You might be right, maybe he just isn’t a very good writer. There is a lot of bad writing these days. He diluted and polluted his message by opening with dismissing the abundant evidence machine fraud, which includes fraudulent adjudication of paper ballots.
Yes, when discussing election fraud, it is usually about ballots. But no one talks about the Dominion machines. That's where most of the fraud has been happening for decades!!
The DS didn’t anticipate the massive turnout for Trump. Because the turnout was mostly on the day of the election they were forced to act quickly and it was sloppy.
Just thinking Biden turnout was also very poor, which made the “normal” machine fraud algorithms insufficient. This really made them scramble. They didn’t have time to make things match