The following is a poem by John Newton(Amazing Grace) that he had put on his gravestone. It was never a song until recently the Chorus was added https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyumcWLZDjc
I saw one hanging on a tree
In agony and blood
Who fixed His loving eyes on me
As near His cross I stood
And never till my dying breath
Will I forget that look
It seemed to charge me with His death
Though not a word He spoke
My conscience felt and owned the guilt
And plunged me in despair
I saw my sins His blood had spilt
And helped to nail Him there
But with a second look He said
"I freely all forgive
This blood is for your ransom paid
I died that you might live"
Forever etched upon my mind
Is the look of Him who died
The Lamb I crucified
And now my life will sing the praise
Of pure atoning grace
That looked on me and gladly took my place
Thus while His death my sin displays
For all the world to view
Such is the mystery of grace
It seals my pardon too
With pleasing grief and mournful joy
My spirit now is filled
That I should such a life destroy
Yet live by Him I killed
Forever etched upon my mind
Is the look of Him who died
The Lamb I crucified
And now my life will sing the praise
Of pure atoning grace
That looked on me and gladly took my place
Forever etched upon my mind
Is the look of Him who died
The Lamb I crucified
And now my life will sing the praise
Of pure atoning grace
That looked on me and gladly took my place
Nothing more calculated to fill a person with guilt than this !
You do realise that he pagan religion before Jesus had a lamb of God saviour of the world that died for our sins? Called Mithras..
You have to do the work yourself. Jesus did not give a free ticket that you present at death...Jesus sent me...you must work at knowing your Self. Learning to love your fellow man..whether from Iraq Saudi Israel etc. we are all sons of God as Jesus himself pointed out . No hate no envy no greed etc
Well said fren.
Matthew 22:14 “For many are called, but few are chosen.” God did that.
“Repentance grows as faith grows. Do not make any mistake about it; repentance is not a thing of days and weeks, a temporary penance to be got over as fast as possible! No; it is the grace of a lifetime, like faith itself. God's little children repent, and so do the young men and the fathers. Repentance is the inseparable companion of faith.”
Charles H. Spurgeon
Me too. I love the guy and I think he nails it, giving God the glory.
Thank God that Spurgeon has consulted with God and His Word about this and shared what he learned with us about repentance. What a great companion consideration to go along with Resurrection Sunday.
I need to dedicate more reading of his sermons as one would be hard pressed to find this message today.
To me, it is about what is true. And, I am truly guilty+repentant (not perfectly, so multiple times), even though I try to be obedient to the teachings out of love.
What else is true? I am forgiven by my risen savior.
Greater is he that is in you than he that is in this world.
It is Christ in you the hope of glory. Col 1:27
when you receive the gift of holy spirit you receive power. GOD sAYS ITS Christ eyes behind your eyes, his hands behind your hands.
1 cor 12:1ff... manifestations (evidences) of the spirit, all part of the package for every believer.
Yours to operate in confidence.
Christians live too far below par on the power scale. Time to rise up, use the power God gave us and be the believers we were called to be.
You are righteous now. Dare to believe it.
Great response. Thank you.
You are correct. Both Christians and unbelievers are tricked into thinking we are to be perfect in our walks. Meaning flawless to most
Perfect in the Bible is mostly used to mean mature, developed, adept through experience. Imagine expectingva baby to walk perfectly while they are learning.
We once were lost, just a s screwed up as many today. They are no less loved by God who I'll remind all gave His Son, when nobody was yet call God's own.
Grace and mercy are God's and he gives both liberally. As well as wisdom amd knowledge.
Seek.
How do you God is offended? Who told you that? Why do you believe that?
You credit God with human emotions and do not understand we are all made in his image . There is no devil...if there was God who created everything would have created him too. and god would not know wrath either...these are human emotions and anyone who grows spiritually knows that guilt is a very negative emotion indeed. Look up negative motions and it's there.
Do you know that repemt means change your attitude?
Our task here is to lose the negative emotions...love one another...treat your neighbour as you would wish to be treated. When you do that you will realise that your fear andc ignorance has gone
You quote men in frocks words to me not your own
No..I wouldn't benefit...
You would benefit from studying history....where these ideas came from etc
This creation story..this myth ..has existed in one form or another throughout history...and really they are all astronomical in origin as man looked at the stars and made up stories .
Look further down these comments at Kim Jung and start doing some research. This is a site where research is done ...
God is Holy and we are not because we are born into a Satan slave empire at birth. We are only freed from it through being born into the spirit of God.
Who told you satan exists? If he existed then he would be millions of world old
Who told you that the Bible is god's disclosure?
My experiential truth is the conviction of the Holy Spirit of TRUTH opening my mind to my sins. This happened to me when I came to believe I was a danger (to others) for some reason and I asked God to take control of my brain. Couldn't think of anyone better to be my controller. Still can't. He has been working on me ever since.
Guilt and sorrow are negative emotions...look it up
"No hate, no envy, no greed" is borderline woke? I thought those were basic behaviors of any Christian, not to mention just qualities of a decent, good person? Is everything you want to attack woke? Though I'm not sure why you feel the need to attack the idea that people shouldn't be hateful, envious, or greedy, especially in respect to discussing Christianity. Those are all basic commands that God gives his followers and expects them to live by.
Sorry, You are wrong. Anything resembling God's truth is a cheap counterfeit. Mithra is such.
What guilt? We are made righteous by his perfect work. Our job is to believe that and enjoy walking in the truth. . Not a single Christian walks perfectly. So forgiveness as much as you need it.
If people make Christianity about works for salvation they are wrong. Our work now is to believe in Christ accomplished perfect works as he always did His Father's will.
Focus on the Son not the sin.
People have been worshipping and sacrificing throughou history..pagan or satanic call it what you will. ...I am amazed that people think there is an actual entity called Satan...it is as if we were still in the dark age believing what duplicitous men in frocks tell us cos we can't read and write!!
If you are unaware Satan exist then yku sir are the one stuck in the dark.
If satan exists then God made him ? yes?
And his eternal pit of flames to torture us for eternity if we are not good? Right? God made that too?
But spirit doesn't have a body to put in a pit of fire? Right?
Satan also offers freedom from sin through sacrifice. That sacrifice is our eternal souls to Satan through works of evil. Giving into temptation of the earthy body is how he offers freedom but only from guilt through a hard heart. Through that we are separated from God. Since God is the only one who is Holy only He can free us.
Holy means whole...balanced...using both sides of the brain
You're wasting your time with these guys lol. Their understanding of history is limited to what they were taught in American and European Roman Catholic churches and non-Roman Catholic churches that were heavily influenced by the RCC.
They have no clue who Mithras is, where that belief originates nor anything about the peoples in the periods prior to Christ.
They don't even know that the Egyptians, well over 2000 years prior to Christ had Pharaoh Amenkept (or Amenophis) III.
What were this entities attributes?
The Annunciation: the god Taht announcing to the virgin Queen that she is about to become a mother.
The Immaculate Conception: the god Kneph (the holy spirit) mystically impregnating the virgin by holding a cross, the symbol of life, to her mouth.
The Birth of the Man-god.
The Adoration of the newly born infant by gods and men, including three kings (or Magi?), who are offering him gifts.
The above is just one of many, many deities ranging from Egypt to Babylon thousands of years before Christ.
This idiot Devolution1776 in particular is brain dead. I suspect he is one of those guys who was a degenerate prior to his baptism and now is hardcore into throwing flames at others. He told me I was going to hell because I informed him of the fact that the cross was introduced several hundred years AD by Constantine who had a dream about it in the middle of a battle.
Some of these guys are too thick headed to believe anything other than what they were told in Church.
They also aren't aware that many Christian communities in the Middle East celebrate Christmas, Easter and other important events on entirely separate dates than they do. Especially Christmas which is comically the same day as ancient Egyptian deity Horus who was born of a virgin birth and day coincides with December 25th on the Gregorian calendar lol
The sad part is that these things are easily found online. They can't be bothered because it's easier to point the finger at you for being a heathen than it is having their belief shattered.
But belief in God is not the issue, nor is belief in the Bible. The ridiculous part really hits when they can't be bothered to explore their religion and understand that most of it is corrupted by institutions like the RCC which have been at the center of corruption on this planet in one form or another and prior to being the RCC, was just another corrupt entity at the center of the Roman Empire.
Stupidity is infinite in the modern stubborn Christian. More so than any other religion I've come into experience with.
Especially the Trinitarian ones. To them, God the Father, The Son and Holy Spirit are the same yet different. Jesus (God) decides to come down to Earth as man to sacrifice himself in order to forgive mankind of the original sin. Yet he asks himself (God) "Why have you forsaken me?" as he's being tortured. God, being omnipotent, omniscient and boundless, cannot simply forgive man for individual deeds but requires his only begotten son to come down to earth and be tortured and killed for this forgiveness to happen. But Christ is also simultaneously God.
God needed to come down to earth to see what life as man is like even though, again, he is boundless, omnipotent and omniscient.
Now mind you, Trinitarianism was NOT a thing in Christianity during the time of Jesus Christ so they only associate that to him (without knowing) it was introduced yet again by the Romans 350 years later. So they compare God to things like eggs and water. Like ice, liquid and gas or yolk, egg white and egg shell to "prove" that 3-in-1 indeed exists.
These guys don't even understand how ridiculous and contrary their belief is, nor do they understand where it's roots come from.
I know ...but...here is hope for them....they escaped the COVID brainwashing and being on this site learnt to research ...Q himself says. Does the thought of satan exist....so I am hoping some will take the hint and do some research...but some like COVIdians will never get free.
The amount of retardation that comes out of you is insane lmao. I describe historical facts and you take offense to it. It's mind bending how delusional you are. Stating I "lost" prior arguments is comical and simply your opinion. It's not fact. Unlike you, I've pointed to fact in reference to past figures, deities and stories that match the churches version of Christ' events. This isn't up for argument you fucking idiot lmao. I'm not giving you my opinion and I'm not arguing anything lmao.
Me pointing to historical figures who have identical attributes to the modern version of Christ's history is not indicative of being an unbeliever. This is fundamentally indicative of your stupidity.
You are what's called an extremist. The only difference is that you use your arrogance as a weapon. The "yOU'rE GoiNg To HeLL" is a tired way of not being able to admit you have no idea what you're writing about.
You don't even know what a strawman since you keep using it the wrong way. There's nothing weak or imaginary about what I've written. I haven't given my opinion, you retard, I've written established historical facts that can easily be found with a simple search.
I used you as an example because you run around this site desperately trying to defend your belief and when someone throws facts at you, you turn around and act like they are going to hell. You're a degenerate and you sound like you have some impulse control issues.
You're the type that fundamentalists love. You're one tick away from becoming a terrorist. You speak with emotions rather than debating history which is what all these topics are all about.
"Spouting random facts"...? Are you fucking stupid or what? How are they random when they are in relation to the topic of a historical figure which is what the entire convo is about?
My likes and dislikes on this topic are irrelevant you reddit faggot. That's what they say over there lmao. People like you are a dime a dozen. You love to describe yourself as 'i USed To bE JUst LIKe YOu" which really means "I used to be a scum bag and spent most my life being some sort of compulsive degenerate but now that I've found x belief, I need to spread the same negative energy I spread before but now I think it's positive. But I'm still a horrible loser running around telling people they're gonna go to hell". You're the exact reason why so many get turned off to religion. You think you're spreading the truth but all you do is turn people off with your insanity. No one with a sound mind ever tells another person they're going to hell while simultaneously believing God is the final judge. In my travels to the Middle East even the Muslims refrained from saying this, unless they were fundamentalist retards that is.
You've already lost this, kid. Kick rocks. And that little microphone you added at the end is so cringe af.
You pointing out a history that you have no clue as to its source or veracity. I know my source.