Neuralink is working on INVASIVELY implanting electronics in your brain. If THOSE IMPLANTS CORRODE/DECAY/BREAK which happens all the time in invasive Brain-Machine Interface literature, that person is fucked. Those implants don't come out without brain surgery that is too costly for the patient to pay for. (talking an easy 500K-$1Mil minimum, research study won't pay for it).
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When the implants break down or too many/too large of signals are sent to stimulate the brain, nearby neurons break down and scar tissue forms around the implant, leaving that implant useless and permanently damaging your surrounding brain.
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One thing they don't tell you is that the FDA by law requires Neuralink (and any company making an invasive medical device) to monitor and send back data from peoples brains to the FDA without the patient's consent or knowledge. FDA's main focus is "efficacy" meaning safety for patient (though we all know that is bullshit with Covid) and
privacy doesn't matter at all in in their regulations.
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Fuck Neuralink. Work on making something similar that is NONINVASIVE, that is a brain machine interface not requiring surgery so it can just be a cap you wear on your head. That is the technology that brings FREEDOM!
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Edit: I know a lot about this field, you can ask me anything about it rather than downvoting.
Internal stimulation devices (or whatever the real term is) is already here, think pacemakers, hearing or vision aids, etc. I could see this being used by amputees to control artificial limbs, for example — but I’m an optimist.
The question is do you, as the patient, get a say in having one installed?
This is no different than the Vax bullshit, in a way. There will be those who would need (for whatever reason, good or dumb) to have some device implanted in their brains, they get to choose.
The tipping point is when bad actors, require said implantation, and their justification? “It’s to keep you safe”. It’s then you know nefarious actions are at play.
Unfortunately, these things will be invented. It’s in our nature to invent, innovate. AND it’s also in our nature to destroy or misuse power.
I think this has been mentioned a few times on the Elon Musk posts, but I'll say it another way.
Yes, he's creating innovative products that could lead to our detriment. But look at it from the larger lens of the past 150 years. Every technology created has mostly benefited most people (at least for those it was intended for [thinking medically]). All of these same technologies have been used as weapons against us. Phones, Cellular phones, Smart phones, and smart watches. They've been good in that people have ease of long range communications etc. They have been used for evil by people listening in illegally to obtain dirt, etc. when they ought not to. Pick any line of thought and this is the case. So will this be used for evil? Absolutely. The rate of technology promoting evil has increased as fast as technology itself. Printing presses, pornographic magazines, internet, porn sites, now with smart phones, people have hookup apps or cam girls guys hermaphrodites you name it. The problem exploded with the technology. We are coming, I think, to a tipping point. Evil has increased so fast, God WILL take action. This has been true throughout human history in different ways. My belief is that the drastic action will not be the end of the world, but we will see a sharp change. I pray it's a good outcome for us all. Maybe God placed a team in the right place in the USA, and that team is Q, I don't know. But we are all responsible for our own actions, and it is high time that we act like it. Let's each do what we can. Love our neighbors by teaching them the truth, all truth. If they have a slight variation, we can have some gray area, but if they are not in the gray, but in the black, but willing to listen, take them over the fence to the side of truth.
I'm Presbyterian (PCA, not PCUSA), but I don't [foolishly] believe that only people in my church (or similar churches) are saved, but those who agree with the core tenants of the Christian faith. Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, there are many people bound for heaven, I only named a few. Whereas I may disagree on theological points with many, those conversations ought to happen in love, not in vicious hate. "Come now, let us reason together," says the Lord, "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be white as snow."
I could see this being used by amputees to control artificial limbs, for example — but I’m an optimist.
I can see noninvasive devices being used that don't require surgery and permanent impants. These noninvasive devices also don't have to provide the FDA neural data and therefore keep peoples privacy along with freedom and individuality.
The tipping point is when bad actors, require said implantation, and their justification? “It’s to keep you safe”. It’s then you know nefarious actions are at play.
Whether they require these BMI or not, invasive implants are the bane of humanity and would set us on a course that would destroy all life forever. Not even Nuclear Weapons are as dangerous as this.
However, with this great knowledge, amazing new freedoms could take place. Noninvasive BMI's ensure that the darkness controlling all humanity and life doesn't take over the light of endless freedom developing from your mind.
Agree with you on non-invasive tech, it’s by far a better approach and far more challenging. Even that tech can be used for nefarious purposes as well. I’m of the mind that if you’re able to ‘Read’ something you’re able to ‘Write’ something.
For example, if we were able to ‘Read’ neural pathways as a wearable, it mean our understanding of these pathways are so damn good we’re easily able to Manipulate them from the outside-in.
I fear that Tech will continue to advance regardless, it’s bound to happen. Perhaps there is one factor that we have yet to fully appreciate … neuroplasticity? Or perhaps the ability for us to improve upon our own mind-body function? Etc.
For example, if we were able to ‘Read’ neural pathways as a wearable, it mean our understanding of these pathways are so damn good we’re easily able to Manipulate them from the outside-in.
For right now, it's largely a matter of Digital Signal Processing and Machine Learning. Signals recorded from the scalp are very broad and spread out while signals from implants are local and easy to locate/map out. However for classifying movement directly from the brain, Noninvasive methods have about the same classification accuracy as Invasive (70-75%). There are many ways to improve on this and I think you will see some major improvements in Noninvasive BMIs with the advent of OPM-MEG sensors running at room temp. OPM-MEG practically eliminates the volume conduction of the signal moving through tissue and becoming distorted (think like an electric lightning bolt moving through air and randomly hitting the ground, this is the issue with EEG).
Neuralink is working on INVASIVELY implanting electronics in your brain. If THOSE IMPLANTS CORRODE/DECAY/BREAK which happens all the time in invasive Brain-Machine Interface literature, that person is fucked. Those implants don't come out without brain surgery that is too costly for the patient to pay for. (talking an easy 500K-$1Mil minimum, research study won't pay for it).
--
When the implants break down or too many/too large of signals are sent to stimulate the brain, nearby neurons break down and scar tissue forms around the implant, leaving that implant useless and permanently damaging your surrounding brain.
--
One thing they don't tell you is that the FDA by law requires Neuralink (and any company making an invasive medical device) to monitor and send back data from peoples brains to the FDA without the patient's consent or knowledge. FDA's main focus is "efficacy" meaning safety for patient (though we all know that is bullshit with Covid) and
privacy doesn't matter at all in in their regulations.
--
Fuck Neuralink. Work on making something similar that is NONINVASIVE, that is a brain machine interface not requiring surgery so it can just be a cap you wear on your head. That is the technology that brings FREEDOM!
--
Edit: I know a lot about this field, you can ask me anything about it rather than downvoting.
Good summation, I like it.
Internal stimulation devices (or whatever the real term is) is already here, think pacemakers, hearing or vision aids, etc. I could see this being used by amputees to control artificial limbs, for example — but I’m an optimist.
The question is do you, as the patient, get a say in having one installed?
This is no different than the Vax bullshit, in a way. There will be those who would need (for whatever reason, good or dumb) to have some device implanted in their brains, they get to choose.
The tipping point is when bad actors, require said implantation, and their justification? “It’s to keep you safe”. It’s then you know nefarious actions are at play.
Unfortunately, these things will be invented. It’s in our nature to invent, innovate. AND it’s also in our nature to destroy or misuse power.
I think this has been mentioned a few times on the Elon Musk posts, but I'll say it another way.
Yes, he's creating innovative products that could lead to our detriment. But look at it from the larger lens of the past 150 years. Every technology created has mostly benefited most people (at least for those it was intended for [thinking medically]). All of these same technologies have been used as weapons against us. Phones, Cellular phones, Smart phones, and smart watches. They've been good in that people have ease of long range communications etc. They have been used for evil by people listening in illegally to obtain dirt, etc. when they ought not to. Pick any line of thought and this is the case. So will this be used for evil? Absolutely. The rate of technology promoting evil has increased as fast as technology itself. Printing presses, pornographic magazines, internet, porn sites, now with smart phones, people have hookup apps or cam girls guys hermaphrodites you name it. The problem exploded with the technology. We are coming, I think, to a tipping point. Evil has increased so fast, God WILL take action. This has been true throughout human history in different ways. My belief is that the drastic action will not be the end of the world, but we will see a sharp change. I pray it's a good outcome for us all. Maybe God placed a team in the right place in the USA, and that team is Q, I don't know. But we are all responsible for our own actions, and it is high time that we act like it. Let's each do what we can. Love our neighbors by teaching them the truth, all truth. If they have a slight variation, we can have some gray area, but if they are not in the gray, but in the black, but willing to listen, take them over the fence to the side of truth.
I'm Presbyterian (PCA, not PCUSA), but I don't [foolishly] believe that only people in my church (or similar churches) are saved, but those who agree with the core tenants of the Christian faith. Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, there are many people bound for heaven, I only named a few. Whereas I may disagree on theological points with many, those conversations ought to happen in love, not in vicious hate. "Come now, let us reason together," says the Lord, "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be white as snow."
Well said fren, well said.
I can see noninvasive devices being used that don't require surgery and permanent impants. These noninvasive devices also don't have to provide the FDA neural data and therefore keep peoples privacy along with freedom and individuality.
Whether they require these BMI or not, invasive implants are the bane of humanity and would set us on a course that would destroy all life forever. Not even Nuclear Weapons are as dangerous as this.
However, with this great knowledge, amazing new freedoms could take place. Noninvasive BMI's ensure that the darkness controlling all humanity and life doesn't take over the light of endless freedom developing from your mind.
Agree with you on non-invasive tech, it’s by far a better approach and far more challenging. Even that tech can be used for nefarious purposes as well. I’m of the mind that if you’re able to ‘Read’ something you’re able to ‘Write’ something.
For example, if we were able to ‘Read’ neural pathways as a wearable, it mean our understanding of these pathways are so damn good we’re easily able to Manipulate them from the outside-in.
I fear that Tech will continue to advance regardless, it’s bound to happen. Perhaps there is one factor that we have yet to fully appreciate … neuroplasticity? Or perhaps the ability for us to improve upon our own mind-body function? Etc.
For right now, it's largely a matter of Digital Signal Processing and Machine Learning. Signals recorded from the scalp are very broad and spread out while signals from implants are local and easy to locate/map out. However for classifying movement directly from the brain, Noninvasive methods have about the same classification accuracy as Invasive (70-75%). There are many ways to improve on this and I think you will see some major improvements in Noninvasive BMIs with the advent of OPM-MEG sensors running at room temp. OPM-MEG practically eliminates the volume conduction of the signal moving through tissue and becoming distorted (think like an electric lightning bolt moving through air and randomly hitting the ground, this is the issue with EEG).
I agree with this summation. End game: Don’t be a retard and get a brain implant. Simple as.