Norman (via CHAOS) sent several messages to the mods
requesting clarification about his banning. He got no response
and remains unable to make comments.
I didn't see any of them, so it must have been before I was a mod. He's not banned, and it's very easy to make the statement that he can't comment without showing any proof.
Why doesn't Norman take a screen recording of him not being able to make comments and send it to the mod team? Whether its from you or CHAOS, it doesn't matter.
About that link... you're the mod... do your job.
That's not something that I can dig up easily, if at all, so I would assume that you would have that data in question.
I'll tell you one thing though, I'm not going to take orders from someone who makes false accusations or vague threats.
I'm not going to ban you, but I am very emotionally checked out with finding a solution to your problem due to the disrespect of your comments. If Norman gives a shit, he can either message the modteam, or have you or CHAOS message the modteam, with a screen recording showing his username, and his inability to post or comment.
Right now, his account doesn't show having any limits on my side.
If he really wanted to come back, he could easily make a new account and name it "Norman_F_Dixon2" or "Norman_D" or any combination, and we'll know its him by the depth and content of his posts. I'm not sure why he doesn't do this. Again, his IP is not banned.
It should be noted that TDU didn't single you out, or accuse YOU directly for any of the questionable actions taken against NFD. TDU is just trying to figure out what happened and why. These are valid inquiries. But I do also agree with the confusion here regarding NFD. As v8power has also pointed out, according to the public mod logs, NFD is not banned. Last time I received a PM reply from NFD was right around when the initial ban occurred, and that PM has since been deleted. It went something along the lines of "it's not worth the effort dealing with these idiots" (my paraphrase).I agree that it seems odd that if NFD is not banned, he'd be unable to post. It would be great to get to the bottom of all this.
While you're looking into questionable ban issues, can you look into the ban history for ExpertBread / NotExpertBread? There were shenanigans with this standup, brilliant community member before the issues with Norman. Several of us inquired through posts/comments, though much of those seem to have since been deleted. I had a PM reply from a mod that has also since been deleted, in which I was told that it couldn't be figured out which mod banned Bread, and yet later on it was admitted plainly that said mod did know which mod banned Bread ("one of our most active mods") but then when he asked this banning mod WHY he banned Bread, he claimed that he "didn't remember"... if I remember correctly, this might have all happened before there were any public mod logs. If you click on his account, it now says "user deleted their account.". That's weird. ExpertBread was banned. Mod confirmed that. So he deleted his own account, or was it deleted because of his ban? It appears that the account NotExpertBread wasn't deleted, although all of the comments are deleted. The posts are still visible though. Interestingly, I noticed that all of Mitch's comments have been deleted, but like NotExpertBread, the posts are still visible.
Appreciate any research and insights into these strange happenings that you might be able to provide.
How are you certain that TDU is NFD? Just because these accounts exhibit similar posting styles? Do the accounts share the same IP? What other hard evidence is there to prove the accounts are the same person? What do you think about CHAOS_ACTUAL or the other dozen accounts associated with TDU and NFD? What do you make of the covfefe thread in which these associated accounts all posted? Do they all belong to the same user? Are these just aliases? Dummy accounts to reactivate in case one is banned? But what do you make of the various threads where these accounts were posting comments seemingly in conversation with each other? You think that one person really went through the trouble to do that to make it look like they were all different unique users? Or is it possible, rather more likely, that TDU is not NFD, that these accounts are all separate users, but are part of a coordinated group? Maybe just a bunch of friends? Seems like there are other reasonable conclusions to make about said account(s) aside from TDU=NFD... not saying that's not true, could be... but is there more conclusive evidence that we're not privy to?
As to ExpertBread, can you address my questions about that situation? Do you also think that Bread was another alias of an "entity" you seem to think is TDU/NFD et al?
I'm not going to disclose our back end. But you can plainly see when the accounts were created and TDU's post count jumped significantly after NFD's ban. TDU was essentially inactive before that time. Why would someone that inactive suddenly be concerned with NFD? Why are you so concerned?
I know nothing of expertbread.
I didn't see any of them, so it must have been before I was a mod. He's not banned, and it's very easy to make the statement that he can't comment without showing any proof.
Why doesn't Norman take a screen recording of him not being able to make comments and send it to the mod team? Whether its from you or CHAOS, it doesn't matter.
That's not something that I can dig up easily, if at all, so I would assume that you would have that data in question.
I'll tell you one thing though, I'm not going to take orders from someone who makes false accusations or vague threats.
I'm not going to ban you, but I am very emotionally checked out with finding a solution to your problem due to the disrespect of your comments. If Norman gives a shit, he can either message the modteam, or have you or CHAOS message the modteam, with a screen recording showing his username, and his inability to post or comment.
Right now, his account doesn't show having any limits on my side.
If he really wanted to come back, he could easily make a new account and name it "Norman_F_Dixon2" or "Norman_D" or any combination, and we'll know its him by the depth and content of his posts. I'm not sure why he doesn't do this. Again, his IP is not banned.
It should be noted that TDU didn't single you out, or accuse YOU directly for any of the questionable actions taken against NFD. TDU is just trying to figure out what happened and why. These are valid inquiries. But I do also agree with the confusion here regarding NFD. As v8power has also pointed out, according to the public mod logs, NFD is not banned. Last time I received a PM reply from NFD was right around when the initial ban occurred, and that PM has since been deleted. It went something along the lines of "it's not worth the effort dealing with these idiots" (my paraphrase).I agree that it seems odd that if NFD is not banned, he'd be unable to post. It would be great to get to the bottom of all this.
While you're looking into questionable ban issues, can you look into the ban history for ExpertBread / NotExpertBread? There were shenanigans with this standup, brilliant community member before the issues with Norman. Several of us inquired through posts/comments, though much of those seem to have since been deleted. I had a PM reply from a mod that has also since been deleted, in which I was told that it couldn't be figured out which mod banned Bread, and yet later on it was admitted plainly that said mod did know which mod banned Bread ("one of our most active mods") but then when he asked this banning mod WHY he banned Bread, he claimed that he "didn't remember"... if I remember correctly, this might have all happened before there were any public mod logs. If you click on his account, it now says "user deleted their account.". That's weird. ExpertBread was banned. Mod confirmed that. So he deleted his own account, or was it deleted because of his ban? It appears that the account NotExpertBread wasn't deleted, although all of the comments are deleted. The posts are still visible though. Interestingly, I noticed that all of Mitch's comments have been deleted, but like NotExpertBread, the posts are still visible.
Appreciate any research and insights into these strange happenings that you might be able to provide.
Firstly TDU is NFD. That is easy enough to figure out.
We encourage mods to make notes when banning especially on older accounts.
How are you certain that TDU is NFD? Just because these accounts exhibit similar posting styles? Do the accounts share the same IP? What other hard evidence is there to prove the accounts are the same person? What do you think about CHAOS_ACTUAL or the other dozen accounts associated with TDU and NFD? What do you make of the covfefe thread in which these associated accounts all posted? Do they all belong to the same user? Are these just aliases? Dummy accounts to reactivate in case one is banned? But what do you make of the various threads where these accounts were posting comments seemingly in conversation with each other? You think that one person really went through the trouble to do that to make it look like they were all different unique users? Or is it possible, rather more likely, that TDU is not NFD, that these accounts are all separate users, but are part of a coordinated group? Maybe just a bunch of friends? Seems like there are other reasonable conclusions to make about said account(s) aside from TDU=NFD... not saying that's not true, could be... but is there more conclusive evidence that we're not privy to?
As to ExpertBread, can you address my questions about that situation? Do you also think that Bread was another alias of an "entity" you seem to think is TDU/NFD et al?
I'm not going to disclose our back end. But you can plainly see when the accounts were created and TDU's post count jumped significantly after NFD's ban. TDU was essentially inactive before that time. Why would someone that inactive suddenly be concerned with NFD? Why are you so concerned? I know nothing of expertbread.